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London murder rate overtakes New York for the first time ever

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  • #122
    Hande hoche!
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    My favourite was the destroyers that have difficulties operating in warm waters. Will be useful if the Argentinians get in fighting humour. Less so if any conflict is the same vein as those the Royal Navy has been involved in this century.


  • #123
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    New York was able to get its house in order long before the PC crap arrived

    London hasn't a hope in today's climate

    You mean in the early 90s, when everyone was complaining about PC?


  • #124
    10000maniacs
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    RayCun wrote: »
    Actually, more murders in New York this year than in London (50 to 48) , and London is slightly larger. But that doesn't sell papers, or appeal to islamophobes.

    Again, there is no such word as islamophobe. It is a debate stopper invented by the left and islamic spokespeople to shut down debate.


  • #125
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Afraid to say it's 2 more fatalities tonight, in Hackney & Clapton.
    52nd Murder probe of the year so far in Ldn.

    The folks over in the Bronx must be counting their blessings.


  • #126
    wakka12
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    Everyones a bit dramatic. I was just in london..its really a nice city..felt really safe


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  • #127
    Hector Bellend
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    Apparently banning guns will solve it


  • #128
    Billy86
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    Bailey Bald Stoplight wrote: »
    Afraid to say it's 2 more fatalities tonight, in Hackney & Clapton.
    52nd Murder probe of the year so far in Ldn.

    The folks over in the Bronx must be counting their blessings.
    That puts them on pace for 200 murders this year, which would be... which is still still be about half of what Dublin's murder rate was last year, which itself was down from 2016.

    That's why these bulk number breakdowns can be misleading, as New York itself has one of the lowest murder rates in the USA of any large enough city. The murder rate in Buffalo is about five times higher than NYC, Philadelphia about six times higher, and St. Louis has a murder rate over 16.5 times higher than NYC (highest in the US).


  • #129
    Billy86
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    Hector Bellend wrote: »
    Apparently banning guns will solve it
    Mightn't do much harm though, considering the US has a murder rate higher than most African countries.


  • #130
    pleas advice
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    ...the savages!


  • #131
    OneEightSeven
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    Mightn't do much harm though, considering the US has a murder rate higher than most African countries.

    They need to ban immigration form black countries while they're at it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide
    African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher.


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  • #132
    Billy86
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    Still doesn't explain Dublin's murder rate being comfortably higher than New York. Must be all d'black lads we've got that they don't.


  • #133
    ohnonotgmail
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    OneEightSeven wrote: »
    They need to ban immigration form black countries while they're at it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

    I would be pretty certain that the descendants of those black people committing murder had absolutely no choice in their "immigration".


  • #134
    silverharp
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    Still doesn't explain Dublin's murder rate being comfortably higher than New York. Must be all d'black lads we've got that they don't.

    NY is very well policed , they have a lot more cops per sq km than Dublin and London

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  • #135
    Captain Obvious
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    OneEightSeven wrote: »
    They need to ban immigration form black countries while they're at it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

    I presume this is a joke.


  • #136
    Pepefrogok
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    Bailey Bald Stoplight wrote: »
    Didn't they spend about £5bn each on a couple of fancy warships, that have no aircraft as yet, and tendency to breakdown. Also hard to see them compete up against Vlads new range of (7,000mph) throwing sticks.

    How many community centers or street bobbies would £10bn get these days?

    What makes you think the QE carrier's have a tendency to break down? One ising even finished yet! The other one is on sea trials at present, also why would they have aircraft on them now? They are not ready for them, the planes will be ready when the carrier is ready, RAF personal are training with f35's off American platforms at present and when the QE carrier's are ready the plains and pilot's will be also. Also community centres and bobbies are no use in a war, perhaps the London mayor can stop prioritising his massive budget on things like hate crimes I.e. hurtful posts on face book or paying officers to travel around mosques trying to drum up hate crime stats.


  • #137
    Billy86
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    silverharp wrote: »
    NY is very well policed , they have a lot more cops per sq km than Dublin and London
    Absolutely, I've family over there and know they're absolutely everywhere, especially in downtown/built up areas. Which is why this is an odd comparison to make, re London/NY... New York City (and especially Manhattan) if I'm correct is statistically one of the safest places in the entire US and one of the safer major cities in the world.

    It just comes over as lazy on the writer's part, and going off a reputation that New York had from a quarter of a century ago.


  • #138
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    Hande hoche! wrote: »
    My favourite was the destroyers that have difficulties operating in warm waters. Will be useful if the Argentinians get in fighting humour. Less so if any conflict is the same vein as those the Royal Navy has been involved in this century.

    and how exactly are the Argentines going to get into a fighting humour in the first place? Have you seen the state of their military?


  • #139
    youreadthat
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    Hande hoche! wrote: »
    My favourite was the destroyers that have difficulties operating in warm waters. Will be useful if the Argentinians get in fighting humour. Less so if any conflict is the same vein as those the Royal Navy has been involved in this century.

    We all know about the tropical waters of the Falkland’s....


  • #140
    ohnonotgmail
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    youreadthat wrote: »
    We all know about the tropical waters of the Falkland’s....

    It is positively balmy down there. i dont know how the penguins stand it. :D


  • #141
    Hande hoche!
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    Aegir wrote: »
    and how exactly are the Argentines going to get into a fighting humour in the first place? Have you seen the state of their military?
    Yeah pretty much the same as it was in the eighties. There was rumours about purchasing some Kfirs or Mirages over the years. Came to nothing. Perhaps the Russians will flog them some Sukhois?


    youreadthat wrote: »
    We all know about the tropical waters of the Falkland’s....

    Hence the useful.


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  • #142
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Pepefrogok wrote: »
    What makes you think the QE carrier's have a tendency to break down?
    2017, QE sprung a leak during sea trails.
    Pepefrogok wrote: »
    One ising even finished yet!
    True, and the running cost (so far, and still counting) is over £6,000,000,000. (nine zeros). The original budget was £4 billion, and the monsters were scheduled to enter service in 2015.

    It's 2018 now and big ‘flat-top’ aircraft carriers are considered vulnerable to the new generation of anti-ship missiles, Chinese & Ruska have 7,000mph throwing darts. Hypersonic, cyber, stealth, UAV and high-altitude. Then later, Space itself. Mach-20 is the new benchmark.
    Pepefrogok wrote: »
    The other one is on sea trials at present, also why would they have aircraft on them now? They are not ready for them the planes will be ready when the carrier is ready, RAF personal are training with f35's off American platforms at present and when the QE carrier's are ready the plains and pilot's will be also.

    Why- for real-world sea trials, you wouldn't test an empty wheelbarrow. For sure not ready, the F-35 fighter jet programme has gone disastrously awry, terrifying the Americans with its £150 billion cost overrun and seven-year delay (7 years!).

    Britain planned to put 36 F-35s on each carrier. So stupendous is their cost that this has shrunk to just 12!
    Pepefrogok wrote: »
    Also community centres and bobbies are no use in a war, perhaps the London mayor can stop prioritising his massive budget on things like hate crimes I.e. hurtful posts on face book or paying officers to travel around mosques trying to drum up hate crime stats.

    There is no war, and none currently requiring these, and if there is ever a proper WW3, the only option for the 99% in 'MAD' is to dig a hole, count the tinned beans and hope for the best.

    Sure you can't police Facebook, but you can set aside a budget for community policing in London, and reducing the 30,000 or so knife crimes, which any bloke on the street would prefer, over big slow boats. Ask the 78yr in today's papers who last night was confronted in his kitchen, about his thoughts on crime levels.


  • #143
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    Bailey Bald Stoplight wrote: »
    2017, QE sprung a leak during sea trails.

    shocking. Maybe they should do something like run some sea trials before going in to service to identify these type of issues......
    Bailey Bald Stoplight wrote: »
    It's 2018 now and big ‘flat-top’ aircraft carriers are considered vulnerable to the new generation of anti-ship missiles, Chinese & Ruska have 7,000mph throwing darts. Hypersonic, cyber, stealth, UAV and high-altitude. Then later, Space itself. Mach-20 is the new benchmark.

    and yet both countries are building their own aircraft carriers. Odd that :rolleyes:
    Bailey Bald Stoplight wrote: »
    Why- for real-world sea trials, you wouldn't test an empty wheelbarrow. For sure not ready, the F-35 fighter jet programme has gone disastrously awry, terrifying the Americans with its £150 billion cost overrun and seven-year delay (7 years!).

    Britain planned to put 36 F-35s on each carrier. So stupendous is their cost that this has shrunk to just 12!

    Britain is ordering 138 of the F35b, so in theory they have 138 available. The plan though, is to have 24 available for the carriers.

    Only one will be actually running at any one time, so it isn't 12 each.
    Bailey Bald Stoplight wrote: »
    There is no war, and none currently requiring these, and if there is ever a proper WW3, the only option for the 99% in 'MAD' is to dig a hole, count the tinned beans and hope for the best.

    Sure you can't police Facebook, but you can set aside a budget for community policing in London, and reducing the 30,000 or so knife crimes, which any bloke on the street would prefer, over big slow boats. Ask the 78yr in today's papers who last night was confronted in his kitchen, about his thoughts on crime levels.

    so what you're saying is that no government should spend any money on defence until it has solved all its social problems?

    that ain't gonna happen.


  • #144
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Aegir wrote: »
    shocking. Maybe they should do something like run some sea trials before going in to service to identify these type of issues......

    Sure, but springing leaks would probably be somewhat of a surprise on the list of things that could go wrong on a new boat.
    Aegir wrote: »
    and yet both countries are building their own aircraft carriers. Odd that :rolleyes:

    Looking at the sheer range of new stuff coming out from the East, they appear to be more concerned with full-spectrum, sure the odd boat as well, but mightn't be top of their list(s).
    Aegir wrote: »
    Britain is ordering 138 of the F35b, so in theory they have 138 available. The plan though, is to have 24 available for the carriers.
    Only one will be actually running at any one time, so it isn't 12 each.

    That's what was reported, can you imagine how much it would cost to buy and maintain 138 of these planes along with all the staff, for x1 running boat. A$tronomical comes to mind.
    Aegir wrote: »
    so what you're saying is that no government should spend any money on defence until it has solved all its social problems?

    Nope, it should be a balanced decision. The NHS was on it's knees over the winter, schools are overcrowded and under-performing, crime is up (yet another stabbing this morning in Ldn). Then of course the small matter of the cost of Brexitious, which will also have 'nine zeros' after the £ figure.


  • #145
    ohnonotgmail
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    Bailey Bald Stoplight wrote: »
    Sure, but springing leaks would probably be somewhat of a surprise on the list of things that could go wrong on a new boat.


    the leak was through a seal in the propeller shaft. its not like there was a hole in the hull.


  • #146
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    Bailey Bald Stoplight wrote: »
    Sure, but springing leaks would probably be somewhat of a surprise on the list of things that could go wrong on a new boat.

    Not at all, identifying a defective shaft seal is one of the things sea trials are for.
    Bailey Bald Stoplight wrote: »
    Looking at the sheer range of new stuff coming out from the East, they appear to be more concerned with full-spectrum, sure the odd boat as well, but mightn't be top of their list(s).

    you mean "looking at the range of stuff the East are talking about". the West tends to be a bit more diplomatic when it comes to showing off its weapons.

    Bailey Bald Stoplight wrote: »
    That's what was reported, can you imagine how much it would cost to buy and maintain 138 of these planes along with all the staff, for x1 running boat. A$tronomical comes to mind.

    and? The UK is a NATO country and therefore has obligations to invest in its military.
    Bailey Bald Stoplight wrote: »
    Nope, it should be a balanced decision. The NHS was on it's knees over the winter, schools are overcrowded and under-performing, crime is up (yet another stabbing this morning in Ldn). Then of course the small matter of the cost of Brexitious, which will also have 'nine zeros' after the £ figure.

    building aircraft carriers is part of a long term strategic plan. The NHS struggling due to a large number of flu cases is a short term tactical issue. Deciding to cancel the carriers and the F35s isn't suddenly going to free up large sums of cash for the NHS to spend on beds.


  • #147
    silverharp
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    Absolutely, I've family over there and know they're absolutely everywhere, especially in downtown/built up areas. Which is why this is an odd comparison to make, re London/NY... New York City (and especially Manhattan) if I'm correct is statistically one of the safest places in the entire US and one of the safer major cities in the world.

    It just comes over as lazy on the writer's part, and going off a reputation that New York had from a quarter of a century ago.

    It could be an intelligent comparison in that you could argue that in a city where its easy to get access to weapons but they spend on police you can decrease crime. If London wanted to ape NY they should spend similar to NY but aim to have much lower crime statistics than NY

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  • #148
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Wasn't it some Irish fella who has had major part play in New York falling crime rate?

    EVENFLOW



  • #149
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Wasn't it some Irish fella who has had major part play in New York falling crime rate?

    yeah, he moved to Australia :D


  • #150
    _Dara_
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    That puts them on pace for 200 murders this year, which would be... which is still still be about half of what Dublin's murder rate was last year, which itself was down from 2016.

    That's why these bulk number breakdowns can be misleading, as New York itself has one of the lowest murder rates in the USA of any large enough city. The murder rate in Buffalo is about five times higher than NYC, Philadelphia about six times higher, and St. Louis has a murder rate over 16.5 times higher than NYC (highest in the US).

    A good point.

    NYC has been very safe for twenty years now but the same can't be said for other major US cities.


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  • #151
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    Aegir wrote: »
    yeah, he moved to Australia :D

    :D:D


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