Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Is there any sponsors giving out about All Porter who hasn't been cleared of the allegations getting back to work?

Since the lads acquitted are having their employers threatened with withdrawal of sponsorship...

Is Al Porter going back to work? WHY?!!

God that is some rant above. Too long to quote but you think anyone who gets their son to read the soberpaddy article is ashamed of their own gender. Seriously that what you took from it.
Most of the posters I can disagree with but at least I can see where they are coming from.
That one is just full of a serious amount of anger.
For what it worth Becky/odette is a lowlife, no one said women were all perfect.

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Indeed they are, that doesn't negate my point at all, Im not sure how you think it does?

If the "victim" doesn't know that they were raped I'm honestly not sure why you are even bringing them up?

Unless you somehow want us to resolve the problem of unreported, unknown rapes?

GreeBo wrote: »

No. The point I am trying to make is that I believe that being drunk increases your chances of being raped.

i have to agree .
being drunk doesnt mean its your fault but it does make you a more favorable target for the rapist.

if your sober ,you have a better change of seeing any suspisions behavion or people around you or seeing that the rapist is trying to drug you or lure you into a more secluded area

Permabear wrote: »

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In other words

You can ignore reality.
You cant ignore the consequences of reality

The direction of the discussion towards the behaviour, attire or drinking habits of women is indicative of one of the major obstacles in getting society to a better place in addressing sexual violence. A sexual assault or rape is the result of a person (usually male) who, with a criminal and violent intent, subjects the victim (usually female) to the assault. It is the result of a perpetrator being willing to intentionally commit the crime. It is immaterial whether the victim is wearing a hijab or a bikini -- the sexual assault or rape is wholly the result of an inability and unwillingness on the man's part to stop himself from acting on a criminal intent to inflict these crimes on the female. It is sad therefore to see the discussion steer once again to the sideshow of a woman's conduct or attire rather than the more obvious problem of the sexual assailants themselves and all the mentalities and abnormalities which drive them.

Indeed, this thread of many thousands of comments, and the entire furore surrounding the trial, has been thoroughly depressing. It is a national conversation where an 'ibelieveher' movement has taken a rather regrettable absolutist stance in simply assuming that 3 men are rapists because an accuser says they are. It is a conversation where crude and disrespectful Whatsapp messages were unfairly equated with sexual criminality. It is also a conversation where many people seem unable to understand the concept that even if a rape does not take place, this does not invariably mean that the sex or all the sexual acts were consensual, and that a woman who perceives to have been subjected to a non-consensual sex act is not necessarily 'lying' about her perception of having been raped. The media need to take a long look at themselves in how they have turned this trial into one which has made a mockery of the presumption of innocence, but has also made a mockery of the need to ensure that a Complainant's claims are considered and dealt with sensitively, rather than being enthusiastically transposed into a national soap opera.

We need balance on the matter of sexual violence. We need an objective discussion which sets aside absolutist stances which conflate crude jokes with true misogyny or even propensity to commit sexual violence, and which also is more appreciative of the complexity of a rape claim -- in which even if no rape actually does occur, it does not mean that a complainant is lying that an act was non-consensual or that their perception that they were raped is not held honestly and in good faith. I fear that a significant section of our population, on all sides of the arguments and debates, is still some way off reaching a stage where a constructive and genuinely helpful conversation can be had. We continue to be subjected to daft placards, misguided protests and old-fashioned attitudes on how ladies should behave.

backspin. wrote: »

Tsipras wrote: »

If they don't they're spineless cowards

The language they used alone about her would be enough to get many men sacked in this country these days. Plus the pressure that any sponsors of Ulster Rugby or Irish Rugby would come under if they take them back would be immense. Feminism has decided those guys are finished.

These were private conversations. If HR was to see half of the private texts and private messages that people say about their colleagues/bosses, then everybody would be fired.