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    #272
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    LeoB wrote: »
    Or not following RSA advice. I want them to use the tunnel to stay safe. Was surprised to see this has gone to 18 pages now.
    Leo, the Tunnels aren't gritted in frosty weather, so some cyclists don't use them in the cold. And the tunnel coming from Swords has it's lights out since the summer


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    #273
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,597 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Lord Glentoran wrote: »
    It is appaling that some cyclists feel that the road is not for them.
    Yes, appauling that some cyclists have been driven off the road by some motorists.


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    #274
    bebeman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 345 ✭✭bebeman


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/woman-left-critical-in-hospital-after-being-hit-by-cyclist-in-dublin-36736431.html
    here is a serious incident


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    #275
    The Specialist
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    Are cyclists unable to see the colour Red on a light? Just a while ago I nearly had some lycra clad prick embedded in the side of my car, as he decided to continue through a red light while I had a green on the junction to turn.


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    #276
    Tombo2001
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    bebeman wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/woman-left-critical-in-hospital-after-being-hit-by-cyclist-in-dublin-36736431.html
    here is a serious incident

    This thread is called Careless Cyclists.

    Why is this relevant to the thread?


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    #277
    Danjamin1
    Registered Users Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Danjamin1


    The Specialist wrote: »
    Are cyclists unable to see the colour Red on a light? Just a while ago I nearly had some lycra clad prick embedded in the side of my car, as he decided to continue through a red light while I had a green on the junction to turn.

    Yep all cyclists have their sight adjusted to only see shades of green when buying a bike. Think about how stupid your statement was there would you?


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    #278
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Danjamin1 wrote: »
    Yep all cyclists have their sight adjusted to only see shades of green when buying a bike. Think about how stupid your statement was there would you?


    I ask because I see it on a daily basis, multiple times, at the same junction. Is it just a coincidence?


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    #279
    Danjamin1
    Registered Users Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Danjamin1


    The Specialist wrote: »
    I ask because I see it on a daily basis, multiple times, at the same junction. Is it just a coincidence?

    Is that a trait exclusive only to cyclists and attributable to all cyclists?


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    #280
    The Specialist
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    Danjamin1 wrote: »
    Is that a trait exclusive only to cyclists and attributable to all cyclists?

    Well considering every motor vehicle can stop at the red light, and it's only ever bicycles that breeze through, I'd say it's attributable only to cyclists.


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    #281
    magicbastarder
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    The Specialist wrote: »
    it's only ever bicycles that breeze through
    thank you, i now have to clean coffee off my laptop screen.


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    #282
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    thank you, i now have to clean coffee off my laptop screen.

    Lookit..... we all know the reality. I dont expect anyone who refers to Lycra Clad Pricks to take a balanced view on the situation.


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    #283
    magicbastarder
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    bebeman wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/woman-left-critical-in-hospital-after-being-hit-by-cyclist-in-dublin-36736431.html
    here is a serious incident
    if you know this is the fault of a careless cyclist, please contact donnybrook garda station with your statement on what you know.
    placing it in a thread titled 'careless cyclists' implies it is relevant to this thread, and i'm guessing you haven't the faintest clue of the circumstances of the collision.


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    #284
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    The Specialist wrote: »
    I ask because I see it on a daily basis, multiple times, at the same junction. Is it just a coincidence?

    Lets not mention all the motorists who break red lights

    I've lost count of the number of times me pausing at a green light has saved me from a car smashing into the side of me.

    I did have a motorist crash into the back of my car once. Her excuse was that she thought I was going to break the lights and she was following on:eek:


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    #285
    ronnie085
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    The Specialist wrote: »
    Well considering every motor vehicle can stop at the red light, and it's only ever bicycles that breeze through, I'd say it's attributable only to cyclists.

    I'll give you the highlights of my commute this morning, N7 Cars lane hogging and switching lanes without indicating then in slow moving traffic numerous cars using hard shoulder. Onto Nangor Road, van in a lane to turn right at lights suddenly decided to switch lanes when the lights turned green, missing me by inches. Then more slow moving traffic with me being undertaken by fast moving traffic on the bus lane. Finally turning right with a green filter light, a car obviously broke the lights in the opposite direction forcing me to jam on. Didn't have one incident with a cyclist. Do a lot of driving for my job and this experience would be typical, its other drivers not cyclists that i have to be weary of.


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    #286
    gmacww
    Registered Users Posts: 429 ✭✭gmacww


    Madilyn Slow Cupcake wrote: »
    Lets not mention all the motorists who break red lights

    I've lost count of the number of times me pausing at a green light has saved me from a car smashing into the side of me.

    I did have a motorist crash into the back of my car once. Her excuse was that she thought I was going to break the lights and she was following on:eek:

    You're trying to talk sense to a man who in a previous thread proclaimed all cyclists to be lycra clad ****! That's what you're up against.


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    #287
    Danjamin1
    Registered Users Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Danjamin1


    Careful now people, we’re at risk of being accused of talking sense in a rant about cyclists thread


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    #288
    [Deleted User]
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    Madilyn Slow Cupcake wrote: »
    I did have a motorist crash into the back of my car once. Her excuse was that she thought I was going to break the lights and she was following on:eek:
    I had a similar experience. Was in a collision and her excuse was that the light was red :confused:. Eh no love, YOUR light was red, mine was green....hence the reason you just smashed into the side of me!


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    #289
    AndrewJRenko
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    The Specialist wrote: »
    Well considering every motor vehicle can stop at the red light, and it's only ever bicycles that breeze through, I'd say it's attributable only to cyclists.
    Are you 100% sure that it's attributable only to cyclists?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc5VGuJvOVk


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    #290
    masculinist
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    There should be enforcement of careless cycling laws against cyclists.

    Cyclists should be forbidden to pass too close to cars. And all cyclists should have an identifying number plate on the bicycle.


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    #291
    amcalester
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    masculinist wrote: »
    There should be enforcement of careless cycling laws against cyclists.

    Cyclists should be forbidden to pass too close to cars. And all cyclists should have an identifying number plate on the bicycle.

    I agree, it’s an absolute disgrace the amount of cars written off each because of damage done to them by passing cyclists.

    The poor cars must number in the 0’s.


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    #292
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,597 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    masculinist wrote: »
    There should be enforcement of careless cycling laws against cyclists.

    Something like this, perhaps?
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/nearly-600-cyclists-fined-under-new-penalty-regime-1.2631593

    masculinist wrote: »
    Cyclists should be forbidden to pass too close to cars.
    What problem would that solve?
    masculinist wrote: »
    And all cyclists should have an identifying number plate on the bicycle.
    What problem would that solve?


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    #293
    masculinist
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    amcalester wrote: »
    I agree, it’s an absolute disgrace the amount of cars written off each because of damage done to them by passing cyclists.

    The poor cars must number in the 0’s.

    Someone never fails to produce the typical and boringly predictable non argument of ''some drivers are bad therefore no cyclists should be accountable for their actions '' nonsense.

    The only reason I haven't been involved in a car crash involving cyclists is because I'm a very very good driver. You can laugh all you like. Rules of the road exist. They overwhelmingly don't obey those rules. They should be expected to obey those rules. I obey the rules and they continually test my patience by breaking the rules in a dangerous manner. So dont start off on me. I obey the law. I expect cyclists to obey the law. And considering their reckless behaviour and anti-driver activism I have a few suggestions of my own. They should have number plates to make them easily identifiable. No more hitting someone with a bike and then fleeing the scene thinking you can get away with it . No more reckless endangerment of other road users without any fear of being caught. Unlike drivers who are easily identifiable by any cycling crank with a video recorder.


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    #294
    traveller0101
    Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭traveller0101


    To be honest, cars are worse nowadays than cyclists! I see cars breaking red lights daily like in the video above.


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    #295
    amcalester
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    masculinist wrote: »
    Someone never fails to produce the typical and boringly predictable non argument of ''some drivers are bad therefore no cyclists should be accountable for their actions '' nonsense.

    The only reason I haven't been involved in a car crash involving cyclists is because I'm a very very good driver. You can laugh all you like. Rules of the road exist. They overwhelmingly don't obey those rules. They should be expected to obey those rules. I obey the rules and they continually test my patience by breaking the rules in a dangerous manner. So dont start off on me. I obey the law. I expect cyclists to obey the law. And considering their reckless behaviour and anti-driver activism I have a few suggestions of my own. They should have number plates to make them easily identifiable. No more hitting someone with a bike and then fleeing the scene thinking you can get away with it . No more reckless endangerment of other road users without any fear of being caught. Unlike drivers who are easily identifiable by any cycling crank with a video recorder.

    Who said no cyclists should be accountable? Post up a quote where that was said or implied.

    I agree with you about enforcement and cyclists should obey the law. But any calls for increased enforcement should be across the board, focusing in solely on cyclists will likely save 0 lives ( due to the very low number of deaths being caused by cyclists), yet I don’t see people getting their knickers in a twist over law breaking motorists.

    Have you any examples of this anti-driver activism? I’d be curious to know what that is or if it’s actually just expecting drivers to not endanger cyclists.

    Remember of cyclists and motorists only one of those groups regularly kills the other.

    Can you guess which group that is?


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    #296
    AndrewJRenko
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    masculinist wrote: »
    The only reason I haven't been involved in a car crash involving cyclists is because I'm a very very good driver.
    So by your logic, cyclists must be getting involved in car crashes every day with the many drivers who are just average, or even the ones who are crap drivers, right? But yet, the data would suggest otherwise.
    masculinist wrote: »
    . Rules of the road exist. They overwhelmingly don't obey those rules. They should be expected to obey those rules. I obey the rules and they continually test my patience by breaking the rules in a dangerous manner. So dont start off on me. I obey the law. I expect cyclists to obey the law.

    Interesting, so you obey the rules. You always obey the rules, right? You NEVER break a speed limit, right? Never, right?

    If so, you're a very unusual driver, given that the RSA Speed Survey shows up to 82% of drivers break speed limits. And the Luas red light camera shows that 88% of red light jumpers are motorists. And the Aviva pan-European survey shows that Irish drivers are 2nd worst in Europe for mobile phone abuse.

    So please tell me again which class of road users 'overwhelmingly don't obey the rules'?
    masculinist wrote: »
    And considering their reckless behaviour and anti-driver activism I have a few suggestions of my own. They should have number plates to make them easily identifiable. No more hitting someone with a bike and then fleeing the scene thinking you can get away with it . No more reckless endangerment of other road users without any fear of being caught.
    You gave the game away a little bit with your 'anti-driver activism'. This isn't a road safety issue for you. You just don't like drivers being put under pressure for their atrocious road safety record, killing multiple people each week, by cyclists or others, so you know want to 'punish' cyclists for being activists. That's not really a great justification for changes in law or enforcement.
    masculinist wrote: »
    Unlike drivers who are easily identifiable by any cycling crank with a video recorder.
    Do you think you could help the Gardai to 'easily identify' the driver of the car who's passenger leaned out the window and assaulted me? The Gardai tell me he can't be identified because the car is an insurance write-off that shouldn't be on the road, but it sounds like you have some magic way of identifying the driver - tell me more.


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    #297
    Danjamin1
    Registered Users Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Danjamin1


    masculinist wrote: »
    Someone never fails to produce the typical and boringly predictable non argument of ''some drivers are bad therefore no cyclists should be accountable for their actions '' nonsense.

    The only reason I haven't been involved in a car crash involving cyclists is because I'm a very very good driver. You can laugh all you like. Rules of the road exist. They overwhelmingly don't obey those rules. They should be expected to obey those rules. I obey the rules and they continually test my patience by breaking the rules in a dangerous manner. So dont start off on me. I obey the law. I expect cyclists to obey the law. And considering their reckless behaviour and anti-driver activism I have a few suggestions of my own. They should have number plates to make them easily identifiable. No more hitting someone with a bike and then fleeing the scene thinking you can get away with it . No more reckless endangerment of other road users without any fear of being caught. Unlike drivers who are easily identifiable by any cycling crank with a video recorder.

    Have you read any of the thread at all? If you had you’ll see a lot of posts addressing all of your points:
    1. Everyone breaks the law on the road in some way. Everyone. I don’t believe for a second you don’t break any law. Everyone has driven above the speed limit or parked where they shouldn’t have or done something that is against the law at some point. Flouting of the law is not exclusive to any one group of road users. It’s universally true as absolutely no one on the planet is infallible.
    2. Cyclist are not a collective group. Just like drivers are not a collective group. We’re all just people. People inherently act differently as we’re all individuals. So to admonish a collective group for the actions of a few people is ridiculous.
    3. Cyclists seem to attract a disproportionate amount of attention for road infractions. Studies & evidence have shown that in general cyclists do not break the rules any more than any other road users. Some studies have found that they actually do so less in certain circumstances. This is ignored by anyone who has a blind agenda against cyclists because they feel they don’t deserve to have the same priority on the road.
    4. Registration, taxation insurance are all tired suggestions for cyclists. They would all deter people from cycling. This is against the governments policy and counterproductive from a health perspective amongst other things. The cost of administration would greatly outweigh the benefit. And the risk associated with cycling is broadly negligible as to require insurance.
    5. Registration is not a deterrent for people to break the rules. If it was then drivers would never break the rules for fear of being identified. This is not the case as I pointed out in point 1.

    Oh and finally the ones who claim to be very very good drivers are the ones I would be particularly wary of. That kind of inflated sense of ability Is a danger on the roads.


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    #298
    masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    amcalester wrote: »
    Who said no cyclists should be accountable? Post up a quote where that was said or implied.

    Thats a really idiotic thing to say.

    If you oppose easy identification of cyclists then you oppose accountability for cyclists.

    Im not interested in reading the waffle above. Noise and gibberish is all it is .

    Cyclists are opposing measures which make them more accountable .


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    #299
    Danjamin1
    Registered Users Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Danjamin1


    masculinist wrote: »
    Thats a really idiotic thing to say.

    If you oppose easy identification of cyclists then you oppose accountability for cyclists.

    Im not interested in reading the waffle above. Noise and gibberish is all it is .

    Cyclists are opposing measures which make them more accountable .

    At the risk of getting an infraction, you sir are an idiot


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    #300
    jon1981
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    masculinist wrote: »
    Thats a really idiotic thing to say.

    If you oppose easy identification of cyclists then you oppose accountability for cyclists.

    Im not interested in reading the waffle above. Noise and gibberish is all it is .

    Cyclists are opposing measures which make them more accountable .

    I can be easily identified by my drivers licence. What's wrong with this? Or my cycling ireland licence

    Opposing a ridiculous registration plate idea does not equal opposing accountability.


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    #301
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Danjamin1 wrote: »
    At the risk of getting an infraction, you sir are an idiot

    I don’t think he’s an idiot but he has definitely made some idiotic posts.


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