The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

robarmstrong · 17-03-2018 11:49AM

These women are being forced by society (your part of society) to continue with pregnancies.

Oh there's another lovely bite - you believe women should give birth to babies conceived out of rape?

Right so let me get this straight - woman A is forced to have intercourse against her will, and is then forced to keep that pregnancy? Sweet Mother of God you have probably one of the worst mindsets I've ever come across. It's disgusting. Why you're even allowed to post things like that here is beyond me but how and ever.

Oh by the way since you're all about life is sacred and whatnot, could you actually give us your opinion on Tuam or are you going to avoid it again?

I will in my sheriff's star read some drivel that the Catholic Church has put up in favor of pro-life, they lost any credibility to participate in this argument a long long time ago and you know full well why.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 17-03-2018 11:51AM

kylith wrote: »

Irish women have to have babies they can’t care for, and be denied a say in their maternity care because people in Asia don’t want girls? What?

It's just more smoke screening. Nothing to do with the topic in hand but the usual attempt to divert the discussion. Plus, it sounds holier than thou and puts you in you place.

Totally irrelevant and often trotted out in any discussion on church, child or morality in Ireland - and all based on hearsay second hand anecdotes.

Madscientist30 · 17-03-2018 11:51AM

Graces7 wrote: »

December2012 wrote: »

Yes I agree that it is awful that there is a double standard for males and females, with women not having control over their own reproductive system and being forced into situations they don't want by men or society.

Thats why I am pro choice.

I was speaking re female babies being aborted or killed.They had no choice. Period. They did not choose death

But they would never have had a choice? This is the most basic assumption I see pro-lifers making. You are implying that if somehow unborn fetuses were sentient and conscious and able to make rational decisions that they would have chosen life no matter what, so therefore as they cannot make that choice you must make it for them and fight for that. But none of us can know the answer to that question....are you really sure that if somebody could somehow address the soul of an unborn fetus and say "if you choose to be born you will end up in tremendous pain on a scrapheap, or hungry for most of your childhood, or with a parent that doesnt want you and wishes you were not here, or with very little love in your life. Now would you like to be born or not" that the answer would be yes in all cases? So sure that you are willing to force pregnancy and suffering on others? So sure despite the fact that thousands of people across the world take their own lives every year due to their own intolerable suffering?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 17-03-2018 11:52AM

Graces7 wrote: »

No not silly. Someone I know was made barren by an abortion is all. And bitterly regrets what she did.

And my niece died having a baby that was never going to live beyond birth. What is your point?

January · 17-03-2018 11:53AM

Graces7 wrote: »

No not silly. Someone I know was made barren by an abortion is all. And bitterly regrets what she did.

Well the vast majority of women who have abortions don't regret them. There's no reason to oppose abortion because one woman you know regrets it.

I just have a feeling though that that's not the reason you oppose it.

Graces7 · 17-03-2018 11:56AM

robarmstrong wrote: »

These women are being forced by society (your part of society) to continue with pregnancies.

Oh there's another lovely bite - you believe women should give birth to babies conceived out of rape?

Right so let me get this straight - woman A is forced to have intercourse against her will, and is then forced to keep that pregnancy? Sweet Mother of God you have probably one of the worst mindsets I've ever come across. It's disgusting. Why you're even allowed to post things like that here is beyond me but how and ever.

Oh by the way since you're all about life is sacred and whatnot, could you actually give us your opinion on Tuam or are you going to avoid it again?

I will in my sheriff's star read some drivel that the Catholic Church has put up in
favor of pro-life, they lost any credibility to participate in this argument a long long time ago and you know full well why.

I have never avoided Tuam and far from it. It is the most evil of all the evil abuses committed in Ireland. It has alienated me from the Church and from all the Church is involved in and yet I still know that the life of a child conceived through rape is as precious as any other child

I knew this long before I knew the Church

And yes, they have no real voice in this; just happens I believe every word of that article

December2012 · 17-03-2018 11:59AM

Graces7 wrote: »

I was speaking re female babies being aborted or killed.They had no choice. Period. They did not choose death

I got yoir point. You missed mine.

robarmstrong · 17-03-2018 11:59AM

Graces7 wrote: »

I have never avoided Tuam and far from it. It is the most evil of all the evil abuses committed in Ireland. It has alienated me from the Church and from all the Church is involved in and yet I still know that the life of a child conceived through rape is as precious as any other child

I knew this long before I knew the Church

And yes, they have no real voice in this; just happens I believe every word of that article

You've darted out of here any time someone mentioned Tuam, so what happened there is the most evil of all the evil abuses? So it's worse than abortion? Grand thanks for that you've been contradicting yourself pretty fierce but yeah.

Are you indirectly advocating that a woman who was forced to have sex against her will should also be forced to carry the resulting pregnancy from that rape full term? Listen to yourself very carefully when you answer that. I'll even say it again so you understand.

You think that a woman who is raped (has sex against her will) and falls pregnant due to this rape should also be forced (double whammy here) to contend with a full term pregnancy stemming from that rape.

Would you like to just skip all the pleasantries and say you want her in chains and cuffs as well?

Madscientist30 · 17-03-2018 12:00PM

Graces7 wrote: »

robarmstrong wrote: »

These women are being forced by society (your part of society) to continue with pregnancies.

Oh there's another lovely bite - you believe women should give birth to babies conceived out of rape?

Right so let me get this straight - woman A is forced to have intercourse against her will, and is then forced to keep that pregnancy? Sweet Mother of God you have probably one of the worst mindsets I've ever come across. It's disgusting. Why you're even allowed to post things like that here is beyond me but how and ever.

Oh by the way since you're all about life is sacred and whatnot, could you actually give us your opinion on Tuam or are you going to avoid it again?

I will in my sheriff's star read some drivel that the Catholic Church has put up in
favor of pro-life, they lost any credibility to participate in this argument a long long time ago and you know full well why.

I have never avoided Tuam and far from it. It is the most evil of all the evil abuses committed in Ireland. It has alienated me from the Church and from all the Church is involved in and yet I still know that the life of a child conceived through rape is as precious as any other child

I knew this long before I knew the Church

And yes, they have no real voice in this; just happens I believe every word of that article

You are saying that Tuam alienated you from the Church and all the Church is involved in. Well the Church is involved in forced pregnancy, and you just posted a link from that same Church to back up your beliefs. You dont seem very alienated ðŸ€”

ForestFire · 17-03-2018 12:24PM

Why is tuam continuously brought up.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and they are completely seperate issues.

Also you can have the same beliefs as the church without likening them or being apart of it, I hope? Like murder for example.

These points are nothing to do with referendum and are only being used to try and discredit other posters views.

robarmstrong · 17-03-2018 12:25PM

ForestFire wrote: »

Why is tuam continuously brought up.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and they are completely seperate issues.

Also you can have the same beliefs as the church without likening them or being apart of it, I hope? Like murder for example.

These points are nothing to do with referendum and are only being used to try and discredit other posters views.

If the staunch pro-lifers can accuse everyone of murdering babies they better have a good cop on at what went on in their back garden before opening their mouths.

applehunter · 17-03-2018 12:27PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/repeal-campaigners-will-not-accept-a-no-vote-says-minister-1.3430112

Timberrrrrrrr · 17-03-2018 12:28PM

ForestFire wrote: »

Why is tuam continuously brought up.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and they are completely seperate issues.

Also you can have the same beliefs as the church without likening them or being apart of it, I hope? Like murder for example.

These points are nothing to do with referendum and are only being used to try and discredit other posters views.

Same can be said for abortions or baby abandonment in China/India yet the pro-life crowd keep throwing that in every few pages. At least Tuam is relevant to this country if not this subject.

robarmstrong · 17-03-2018 12:29PM

applehunter wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/repeal-campaigners-will-not-accept-a-no-vote-says-minister-1.3430112

We won't accept a no vote the same way pro-lifers won't accept a woman having the right to choose what goes on with her own body.

Next please.

Call me Al · 17-03-2018 12:30PM

ForestFire wrote: »

Why is tuam continuously brought up.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and they are completely seperate issues.

Also you can have the same beliefs as the church without likening them or being apart of it, I hope? Like murder for example.

These points are nothing to do with referendum and are only being used to try and discredit other posters views.

Nothing to do with the referendum.... a bit like pro-life commentary on cultural attitudes towards and treatment of girls in China and India then?
Where's your indignation on that front?

Timberrrrrrrr · 17-03-2018 12:30PM

applehunter wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/repeal-campaigners-will-not-accept-a-no-vote-says-minister-1.3430112

And?

If the 8th is not repealed then people will start the campaign all over again, it may take one year it may take 20 years but if the 8th isn't repealed then the fight for women's rights will go on.

_Dara_ · 17-03-2018 12:33PM

ForestFire wrote: »

Why is tuam continuously brought up.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and they are completely seperate issues.

What are the "two wrongs" here? Tuam and...?

ForestFire · 17-03-2018 12:35PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

If the staunch pro-lifers can accuse everyone of murdering babies they better have a good cop on at what went on in their back garden before opening their mouths.

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous, it happened in everyone back garden, and is nothing to do with pro choice or pro life.

Everybody agrees it was wrong and evil and trying to blame it on one side is disgusting in my opinion.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 17-03-2018 12:35PM

ForestFire wrote: »

Why is tuam continuously brought up.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and they are completely seperate issues.

Also you can have the same beliefs as the church without likening them or being apart of it, I hope? Like murder for example.

These points are nothing to do with referendum and are only being used to try and discredit other posters views.

Those same other posters, who by some twisted imagination, equate the referendum and abortion in Ireland with how Indians treat some of their children in order to distract and divert the discussion on what is happening here at home? Maybe if they left out the irrelevant and, I agree, completely separate issues then everybody else would and we could actually stick to the topic in hand.

ForestFire · 17-03-2018 12:37PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

What are the "two wrongs" here? Tuam and...?

For pro life people there is, but the point is that are not related, is that hard to understand?

ForestFire · 17-03-2018 12:40PM

Call me Al wrote: »

Nothing to do with the referendum.... a bit like pro-life commentary on cultural attitudes towards and treatment of girls in China and India then?
Where's your indignation on that front?

So your happy to do the same, because someone else does

ForestFire · 17-03-2018 12:40PM

Andrea Creamy Yard wrote: »

Those same other posters, who by some twisted imagination, equate the referendum and abortion in Ireland with how Indians treat some of their children in order to distract and divert the discussion on what is happening here at home? Maybe if they left out the irrelevant and, I agree, completely separate issues then everybody else would and we could actually stick to the topic in hand.

Agree

_Dara_ · 17-03-2018 12:41PM

ForestFire wrote: »

For pro life people there is, but the point is that are not related, is that hard to understand?

OK, so for many people, there aren't two wrongs in the equation. Glad we've cleared that up.

Anything to say about the pointless stuff pro-lifers bring up here that has nothing to do with anything either? Why only hone in on pro-choicers?

pitifulgod · 17-03-2018 12:42PM

ForestFire wrote: »

Why is tuam continuously brought up.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and they are completely seperate issues.

Also you can have the same beliefs as the church without likening them or being apart of it, I hope? Like murder for example.

These points are nothing to do with referendum and are only being used to try and discredit other posters views.

Think it's very relevant, Tuam goes back to exact shameing that individuals in this thread and pro life groups tend to apply to women who have abortions. Religion is also a considerable influence for the highest profile pro life campaigners. Eg Noel Pattern guy who made up all the nonsense is a young earth creationist.

ForestFire · 17-03-2018 12:51PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

OK, so for many people, there aren't two wrongs in the equation. Glad we've cleared that up.

Anything to say about the pointless stuff pro-lifers bring up here that has nothing to do with anything either? Why only hone in on pro-choicers?

I don't ask you to comment on every post. Why did you not do so?

I'll comment on whatever posts I want thank you.

Maybe Tuam has a special meaning to me?

I should not be dictated how or where I express my opinion.

_Dara_ · 17-03-2018 12:59PM

ForestFire wrote: »

I don't ask you to comment on every post. Why did you not do so?

I'll comment on whatever posts I want thank you.

Maybe Tuam has a special meaning to me?

I should not be dictated how or where I express my opinion.

What are you rambling on about? Who said you couldn’t express your opinion? People are questioning your post, it being a forum and all.

RobertKK · 17-03-2018 01:00PM

The repeal side must be in trouble, Regina Doherty is already talking about a second referendum and has called voters who don’t vote for repeal as ignorant.
She said she was originally pro-life out of ignorance.
This is Regina Doherty’s backet of deplorables moment.

robarmstrong · 17-03-2018 01:01PM

ForestFire wrote: »

I should not be dictated how or where I express my opinion.

Sort of like the women who should not be dictated how or where they seek an abortion?

robarmstrong · 17-03-2018 01:02PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The repeal side must be in trouble, Regina Doherty is already talking about a second referendum and has called voters who don’t vote for repeal as ignorant.
She said she was originally pro-life out of ignorance.
This is Regina Doherty’s backet of deplorables moment.

Deplorable moments? One of your fellow supporters said that women who are raped should basically be forced to continue the pregnancy against their will. (sex against their will and keeping an unwanted pregnancy against their will)

Can you comment on this? Or are you just gonna tuck and roll outta here and return with more sh!te?

January · 17-03-2018 01:05PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Deplorable moments? One of your fellow supporters said that women who are raped should basically be forced to continue the pregnancy against their will. (sex against their will and keeping an unwanted pregnancy against their will)

Can you comment on this? Or are you just gonna tuck and roll outta here and return with more sh!te?

Deflection at its finest.

RobertKK originally started this thread when he thought the citizen's assembly had voted in favour of not repealing, he was almost orgasming at the thought of it. It's really backfired on him now though.

The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

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