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Dublin Metrolink (just Metrolink posts here -see post #1 )

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    #4592
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Then two changes for Bray to town? It's one or the other

    What?

    Metro from Airport to Sandyford. Change to Luas from Sandyford to Bray.

    If Dart Underground gets built: DART from Bray to Drumcondra and change to Metro from Drumcondra to Airport.


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    #4593
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,296 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Peregrine wrote: »
    What?

    Metro from Airport to Sandyford. Change to Luas from Sandyford to Bray.

    It's either two changes if going from Bray to the airport or two changes if going from Bray to Town?

    No?

    Obviously the Dart already connects Bray direct to town ..

    However let's say you're coming from Cherrywood? Is that now going to be two stops into town?


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    #4594
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Well still one change as the metro will have stops in town it’s not an express


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    #4595
    lawred2
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    salmocab wrote: »
    Well still one change as the metro will have stops in town it’s not an express

    Right.. so the luas will in effect terminate at Charlemont?

    For some that is obviously going to be a reduction in service


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    #4596
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    lawred2 wrote: »
    It's either two changes if going from Bray to the airport or two changes if going from Bray to Town?

    No?

    Obviously the Dart already connects Bray direct to town ..

    However let's say you're coming from Cherrywood? Is that now going to be two stops into town?

    Could you explain where the other change would be?

    Luas from Cherrywood to Sandyford. Metro from Sandyford to SSG or somewhere else in the city centre. Still one change.


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    #4597
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Right.. so the luas will in effect terminate at Charlemont?

    For some that is obviously going to be a reduction in service

    From the north side yes, but the metro will have various stops in the city Centre which will bring people out to probably Sandyford directly. It’s going to be a better system but people will have to make one change if coming or going out past Sandyford or wherever it finishes. That said wait times will be low probably no more than 3/4 minutes at peak


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    #4598
    G_R
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Right.. so the luas will in effect terminate at Charlemont?

    For some that is obviously going to be a reduction in service

    They can switch to a metro and get into town quicker. With frequencies at 2.5 mins they won't be waiting long.

    The only people who would conceivably have a reduction in service is some one going from the current green line north of Parnell, say, going some where on the green line South of Charlemount where there is no metro stop. And even then, given how slowly Luas crosses through the city, I'm not convinced it wouldn't be quicker to change anyway!


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    #4599
    Donegal Storm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Right.. so the luas will in effect terminate at Charlemont?

    For some that is obviously going to be a reduction in service

    Really not getting your point here?

    Metro goes through the city centre so its still Bray - Sandyford then metro into the city...


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    #4600
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes, as Irish people we really aren't use to changing between trams/metros/trains but really it is completely normal on any European transport network. For instance it is totally normal to change every day between trains on the London Underground and New York Subway.

    As we get more of a high quality public transport network, changing like this will become the norm. It ends up giving you overall faster journey times and overall greater network efficiency.


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    #4601
    D.L.R.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭D.L.R.


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Right.. so the luas will in effect terminate at Charlemont?

    For some that is obviously going to be a reduction in service

    Metro will mean a vastly better service for most Green line users.


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    #4602
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,296 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    bk wrote: »
    Yes, as Irish people we really aren't use to changing between trams/metros/trains but really it is completely normal on any European transport network. For instance it is totally normal to change every day between trains on the London Underground and New York Subway.

    As we get more of a high quality public transport network, changing like this will become the norm. It ends up giving you overall faster journey times and overall greater network efficiency.

    Ah yeah changing is entirely normal... But more often when lines intersect each other. Not when lines run parallel to each other along similar stops..

    Either way I hope they get on with it. The airport needs to be connected to the city. And Swords just as importantly.


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    #4603
    bk
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Ah yeah changing is entirely normal... But more often when lines intersect each other. Not when lines run parallel to each other along similar stops..

    Either way I hope they get on with it. The airport needs to be connected to the city.

    Lots of examples of lines running parallel for at least some distance in London, New York, etc. Not unusual at all and another concept that we need to get use to here in Ireland.


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    #4604
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,296 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    bk wrote: »
    Lots of examples of lines running parallel for at least some distance in London, New York, etc. Not unusual at all and another concept that we need to get use to here in Ireland.

    London and New York have two of most extensive urban rail networks in the world. It would be near unavoidable at this stage to have lines that don't travel parallel for some distance.

    Dublin on the other hand...

    Btw I have no real issue with this metro line.. despite what some of you seem to be thinking.


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    #4605
    CatInABox
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    bk wrote: »
    Lots of examples of lines running parallel for at least some distance in London, New York, etc. Not unusual at all and another concept that we need to get use to here in Ireland.

    Yeah, the Circle, Metropolitan and District lines in London jump to mind immediately


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    #4606
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,546 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Ah yeah changing is entirely normal... But more often when lines intersect each other. Not when lines run parallel to each other along similar stops..

    Either way I hope they get on with it. The airport needs to be connected to the city.

    I think you're misunderstanding how the Metro will run in the city centre - it doesn't terminate at Ranelagh, it will tunnel and proceed northwards towards the airport, with several city centre stops. The existing Green line will be retained North from the point where the Metro tunnels, so probably Charlemont to Broombridge.

    Then there will be an eventual extension of that Luas line from Broombridge to Finglas.

    In the south the Metro will terminate at Sandyford, and from there the existing Green Line will be retained as a Luas to Bride's Glen (with an eventual Bray extension)

    No shared running at all, and there will be very little parallel running too (basically only in that short Ranelagh to SSG section)


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    #4607
    dmeehan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭dmeehan


    dmeehan wrote: »
    If the "Metro Link" is going to run on (some of) the Luas Green Line alignment what does this mean for the Luas on this section? I assume they are not going to share.

    Anyone??


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    #4608
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    dmeehan wrote: »
    Anyone??

    See the post directly above yours.


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    #4609
    Sierra Oscar
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    Do we've any sort of sense of what the journey time from Swords to the City Centre is likely to be?


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    #4610
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,112 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    If this Metro is actually built, what is the point of retaining the luas stretch between SSG and Ranelagh?


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    #4611
    Stephen15
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    A new Luas Stop at Sandyford will likely have to be build separate from the current stop which I assume would become the new metro stop for the Brides Glen or what will probably the Bray line by then. I don't think that the Sandyford stop will have have the capacity to allow for both Luas and Metro to stop there meaning that the Luas may need a separate stop.

    Also I wonder will Sandyford depot be both Luas and Metro or will it remain just Luas for the Brides Glen line. I suspect Metro trains could just be stabled there I don't think Sandyford would be equipped for maintence of longer 90m trains or trams don't know what to call them so it probably have to be done in a the new depot in Swords.


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    #4612
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    If this Metro is actually built, what is the point of retaining the luas stretch between SSG and Ranelagh?

    You do realise it's been extended to Broombridge through the CC now or have you been living under a rock for the last couple of years :D, it will probably be extended again out to Finglas by the time the Metro is built.


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    #4613
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,112 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    You do realise it's been extended to Broombridge through the CC now or have you been living under a rock for the last couple of years :D, it will probably be extended again out to Finglas by the time the Metro is built.

    Yeah I know. That's SSG to Broombridge. I'm talking about the section between SSG and Ranelagh. So read my post before the smart arse reply.

    If this Metro is built and the Green line is converted with a tunnel portal in the Charlemont/Ranelagh area whats the proposal for the short section of luas thats left.


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    #4614
    Stephen15
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    Grandeeod wrote: »
    Yeah I know. That's SSG to Broombridge. I'm talking about the section between SSG and Ranelagh. So read my post before the smart arse reply.

    If this Metro is built and the Green line is converted with a tunnel portal in the Charlemont/Ranelagh area whats the proposal for the short section of luas thats left.

    The Luas will continue from Ranelagh or Charlemount whichever is the first stop after the tunnel portal to Broombridge.


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    #4615
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    If this Metro is actually built, what is the point of retaining the luas stretch between SSG and Ranelagh?

    I would expect it to be extended down Adelaide Road towards Leeson Street and perhaps as far as the Dart at Grand Canal Dock- it is about 2 km inc turns.


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    #4616
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,112 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    The Luas will continue from Ranelagh or Charlemount whichever is the first stop after the tunnel portal to Broombridge.

    And you know that for a fact do you?


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    #4617
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,112 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    I would expect it to be extended down Adelaide Road towards Leeson Street and perhaps as far as the Dart at Grand Canal Dock- it is about 2 km inc turns.

    That's a good idea. But in all this Metro link stuff, there isn't any mention of what will happen. Not that I can find anyway.


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    #4618
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    And you know that for a fact do you?

    Yes what did you think would happen?


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    #4619
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,112 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Yes what did you think would happen?

    Show me a source for that unless its just your opinion.


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    #4620
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    Show me a source for that unless its just your opinion.

    It's all speculation atm as to where the tunnel portal will actually be. The Luas will then from the first station after the portal to Broombridge I don't see why the Luas will only run to SSG from the first station after the portal. That would seem daft.


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    #4621
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,546 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Nobody has any definite plans about where anything will go yet, we all have to wait until the detailed plans are released for public consultation, which should be in a couple of months.

    Any supposition I've made above has been based on previous plans that are no longer being used, or based on the map supplied at yesterday's announcement (which is what showed no shared Luas/Metro running). The speculation on the location of the Metro tunnel surfacing is based on the NTA intervening in planning applications around the expected location.


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