Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

irishgeo · 14-02-2018 7:30pm

Gaoth Lag wrote: »

Where was that snow that was predicted for Monday?

it arrived in liquid form called rain.

JCX BXC · 14-02-2018 7:38pm

irishgeo wrote: »

it arrived in liquid form called rain.

Not according to the METAR, it arrived as sleet and transitioned to snow at 1am, however I'm not sure there was any accumulations and there's no traffic at that hour anyway.

Gaoth Lag · 14-02-2018 8:50pm

I want evidence of that snow.

JCX BXC · 14-02-2018 8:52pm

Gaoth Lag wrote: »

I want evidence of that snow.

You can want all you like, but you won't get it demanding it like that!

Why so rude?

Shn99 · 14-02-2018 9:11pm

Gaoth Lag wrote: »

I want evidence of that snow.

calm down! its a bit of snow, no need to get so worked up about it!

CoisFharraige · 14-02-2018 10:44pm

Shn99 wrote: »

calm down! its a bit of snow, no need to get so worked up about it!

Tell that to the airport ops team.

roadmaster · 14-02-2018 11:02pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Court of Appeal have dismissed cases in relation to runway appeals.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/bid-to-appeal-proposed-new-320m-dublin-airport-runway-is-dismissed-828070.html

Get the buckets in the ground and start digging before someone else try's to object

Tenger · 14-02-2018 11:13pm

Gaoth Lag wrote: »

I want evidence of that snow.

It’s Wednesday, any snow or sleet is long good by now.
Any more random idiotic troll posts will see you getting a mid-term break from A&A

roadmaster · 15-02-2018 12:52pm

According to the Times today in this new NDP the new control tower at Dublin airport is included. How can they include something that is under construction?

MJohnston · 15-02-2018 1:03pm

roadmaster wrote: »

According to the Times today in this new NDP the new control tower at Dublin airport is included. How can they include something that is under construction?

Usually because the project overlaps the time window that the Plan covers. For example, Luas Cross City was part of the 2016-2021 Capital Investment Plan even though it was largely already completed, but there was still some expenditure to be made to finish it all off.

Cookiemunster · 15-02-2018 1:16pm

roadmaster wrote: »

According to the Times today in this new NDP the new control tower at Dublin airport is included. How can they include something that is under construction?

What I can't understand is how any projects, which are either already under construction, or already gone out to tender and are not being paid for by the exchequer can be included in the plan.

I found the governments announcement of their support for the new runway, which already has permission, is fully funded, has phase 1 preparatory works finished and is only being held up by legal action, quite amusing.

roadmaster · 15-02-2018 3:02pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Usually because the project overlaps the time window that the Plan covers. For example, Luas Cross City was part of the 2016-2021 Capital Investment Plan even though it was largely already completed, but there was still some expenditure to be made to finish it all off.

Its a bit of con what they are up to but, Looks good for them

roadmaster · 15-02-2018 3:14pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

What I can't understand is how any projects, which are either already under construction, or already gone out to tender and are not being paid for by the exchequer can be included in the plan.

I found the governments announcement of their support for the new runway, which already has permission, is fully funded, has phase 1 preparatory works finished and is only being held up by legal action, quite amusing.

Similar to my reply to MJohnston it seams to be lots of rehashed projects that have being announced before. It looks good in the press releases, but once they get built that is the main thing

LXFlyer · 15-02-2018 3:15pm

roadmaster wrote: »

Its a bit of con what they are up to but, Looks good for them

Well State capital expenditure is accounted for in the year it is spent.

What happened in earlier years is that the expenditure was committed to over a certain number of years. That’s purely an announcement.

The key is when the money is actually spent.

Jamie2k9 · 15-02-2018 3:33pm

The Tower and Runway are just PR spin from the Goverment, anybody would think they are funding it!!!

ozzy jr · 15-02-2018 5:09pm

Probably been mentioned a few times over the course of the thread, but when is the runway due to open?

When it does open, is the current runway being shut down for repairs?

Finally, when will the two runways operate at the same time.

Thanks

EICVD · 15-02-2018 5:17pm

ozzy jr wrote: »

Probably been mentioned a few times over the course of the thread, but when is the runway due to open?

When it does open, is the current runway being shut down for repairs?

Finally, when will the two runways operate at the same time.

Thanks

Both runways will be operational side by side with certain conditions, other posters can provide more information regarding those conditions. Has been ongoing nightly maintenance on the current runway for the past few months, possibly years.

irishgeo · 15-02-2018 8:16pm

is it going to be one runway for take offs and one for landing.

Donegal Storm · 15-02-2018 8:16pm

The existing runway is being resurfaced nightly at the moment with all lighting, drainage, ducting etc also upgraded, due to be completed by April I think so there'll be no need for any future closures.

The new runway was originally due to open in 2020 though the recently thrown out legal challenge might push that back a bit. The tender for primary contract is still to be finalised so main works to start probably Q3 or Q4

roadmaster · 15-02-2018 8:32pm

Well roadbridges compound be left in place for the next contractor?

Cloudio9 · 15-02-2018 9:34pm

irishgeo wrote: »

is it going to be one runway for take offs and one for landing.

Not always but mostly yes with the existing southerly runway being used for landings from the east and takeoffs from the West for noise reasons.

When both are being used for takeoff one of the runways will have a 15 degree turn shortly after takeoff to diverge from the parallel runway.

EchoIndia · 15-02-2018 9:53pm

Donegal Storm wrote: »

The existing runway is being resurfaced nightly at the moment with all lighting, drainage, ducting etc also upgraded, due to be completed by April I think so there'll be no need for any future closures.

This video has been linked here before, I think. https://youtu.be/AvnJZf586jk

HTCOne · 16-02-2018 1:31am

ozzy jr wrote: »

Probably been mentioned a few times over the course of the thread, but when is the runway due to open?

When it does open, is the current runway being shut down for repairs?

Finally, when will the two runways operate at the same time.

Thanks

Depends on traffic flows, when there’s a glut of departures, such as the 0600-0800 rush, one could be used exclusively for departures and the other for mixed ops. Heavies will want the northern runway for it’s greater length, but Ryanair will too because it’s closer to their stands. EI short haul will likely prefer existing runway for same reason. It will all depend on traffic patterns at the time but if the departure runway can be used for the odd arrival and vice versa like Heathrow then that bottleneck around T2/28/34 won’t be anywhere near as much of a pain in the arse

Cloudio9 · 16-02-2018 8:12am

HTCOne wrote: »

Depends on traffic flows, when there’s a glut of departures, such as the 0600-0800 rush, one could be used exclusively for departures and the other for mixed ops. Heavies will want the northern runway for it’s greater length, but Ryanair will too because it’s closer to their stands. EI short haul will likely prefer existing runway for same reason. It will all depend on traffic patterns at the time but if the departure runway can be used for the odd arrival and vice versa like Heathrow then that bottleneck around T2/28/34 won’t be anywhere near as much of a pain in the arse

Airlines won’t have a choice of runway. The runways will be used in accordance with the planning permission as per my post above.

Captain_Crash · 16-02-2018 9:11am

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Airlines won’t have a choice of runway. The runways will be used in accordance with the planning permission as per my post above.

The planning permission sets out the hours of the day the runway can be used not who can use it and when, that's ATC's job. So long as the runway is operational and ATC are in a position to allow for example FR255 use 28R, then they will.

Bussywussy · 16-02-2018 7:44pm

"[/quote] that bottleneck around T2/28/34 won’t be anywhere near as much of a pain in the arse[/quote]"

We need more cul dear sacs.. especially any future west apron plans....the day they actually get things right will be the day were all snookered

CoisFharraige · 16-02-2018 9:28pm

Bussywussy wrote: »

We need more cul dear sacs.. especially any future west apron plans....the day they actually get things right will be the day were all snookered

I LOVE cul de sacs. Especially watching the poor controllers using a bloody CCTV camera to have to see into them :eek:

Cloudio9 · 16-02-2018 10:55pm

Captain_Crash wrote: »

The planning permission sets out the hours of the day the runway can be used not who can use it and when, that's ATC's job. So long as the runway is operational and ATC are in a position to allow for example FR255 use 28R, then they will.

You’re wrong but if you can’t be bothered informing yourself enjoy your blissful ignorance.

Jamie2k9 · 16-02-2018 11:39pm

Fuel Pipeline (saw over on infrastructure)

http://travelbiz.ie/DAILYNEWS/JETFUEL11FEB18.pdf

While councilors are confused and concerned with conflict of interest over noise monitoring

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/fingal-councillors-confused-concerned-over-14291090

Bussywussy · 16-02-2018 11:39pm

CoisFharraige wrote: »

Bussywussy wrote: »

We need more cul dear sacs.. especially any future west apron plans....the day they actually get things right will be the day were all snookered

I LOVE cul de sacs. Especially watching the poor controllers using a bloody CCTV camera to have to see into them :eek:

Yup must be hard for them to judge over the 406 to 41x gates...

Regarding pipeline....they painted and were checking all the underground refuel manholes etc recently...can the aircraft be currently refuelled from these?? Surely they can pump from the storage farm at airport or can they,I understand there's none from Dublin port or wherever they're planning to put the pipe to the airport...

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