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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

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    #842
    Zubeneschamali
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    recedite wrote: »
    His own wife is an immigrant.

    Quite possibly an illegal one, at that.


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    #843
    Igotadose
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    recedite wrote: »
    I take it you didn't watch the recent State of the Union address then, or you'd have seen Trump giving a standing ovation to a Korean immigrant.
    His own wife is an immigrant. He has only ever criticised illegal immigrants (especially criminal illegal immigrants) and immigrants who "hate America". Which is fair enough IMO.

    Please explain his criticism of Judge Curiel, who will be adjudicating one of the many wall-related lawsuits?https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/06/politics/gonzalo-curiel-donald-trump-border-wall/index.html

    Thanks.


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    #844
    ECO_Mental
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    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/13/politics/michael-cohen-stormy-daniels-payment/index.html

    :D:P:rolleyes::eek::(

    Right....disengage your brain, throw out all logic...because trumps lawyer Michael Cohen now is saying that he paid Stormy Daniels €130,000 out of "HIS OWN POCKET" to keep this porn star quiet!!! just because he his a good old chap and a friend of Donald. Now I know Cohen has money but I dont know any lawyer would ever pay someone for a client out of the goodness of their own heart.

    Do they really think we are all fools? its a comedy show every day:rolleyes: cant wait for SHS to spin this one at the briefing

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



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    #845
    B0jangles
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    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/13/politics/michael-cohen-stormy-daniels-payment/index.html

    :D:P:rolleyes::eek::(

    Right....disengage your brain, throw out all logic...because trumps lawyer Michael Cohen now is saying that he paid Stormy Daniels €130,000 out of "HIS OWN POCKET" to keep this porn star quiet!!! just because he his a good old chap and a friend of Donald. Now I know Cohen has money but I dont know any lawyer would ever pay someone for a client out of the goodness of their own heart.

    Do they really think we are all fools? its a comedy show every day:rolleyes: cant wait for SHS to spin this one at the briefing

    I'm betting that Cohen did pay out the money but only on the understanding that Trump would pay him back, then Trump stiffed him - it's the sort of thing he does.

    http://fortune.com/2016/10/08/donald-trump-taxes-contractors/
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

    He seems to think it's a really smart business tactic to rob your suppliers/partners/whoever is foolish enough to lend you money.


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    #846
    Professor Moriarty
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    B0jangles wrote: »
    I'm betting that Cohen did pay out the money on the understanding that Trump would pay him back, then Trump stiffed him - it's the sort of thing he does.

    http://fortune.com/2016/10/08/donald-trump-taxes-contractors/
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

    He seems to think it's a really smart business tactic to rob your suppliers/partners/whoever is foolish enough to lend you money.

    Yeah but is Cohen going to do about it? The Donald will nuke him if he tried to get his money back.

    I wonder why Cohen chose to disclose this payment? Did someone warn him about evidence?


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    #847
    B0jangles
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Yeah but is Cohen going to do about it? The Donald will nuke him if he tried to get his money back.

    I wonder why Cohen chose to disclose this payment? Did someone warn him about evidence?

    God knows what Cohen thought he was doing - Trump seems to have a legal team made up of people who'd be rejected by The Three Stooges for being too moronic.


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    #848
    ECO_Mental
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    B0jangles wrote: »
    I'm betting that Cohen did pay out the money but only on the understanding that Trump would pay him back, then Trump stiffed him - it's the sort of thing he does.

    http://fortune.com/2016/10/08/donald-trump-taxes-contractors/
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

    He seems to think it's a really smart business tactic to rob your suppliers/partners/whoever is foolish enough to lend you money.

    If you read the text of his statement though he says that neither the Trump Organization or the Trump Election campaign never paid for it...he never said that Trump personally though Mmmmmmmm

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    #849
    mcmoustache
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    She now claims that she's free to tell all now that Cohen violated the terms of the non-disclosure agreement. Did this lawyer not attend law school? Or am I missing something here?


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    #850
    B0jangles
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    mcmoustache wrote: »
    She now claims that she's free to tell all now that Cohen violated the terms of the non-disclosure agreement. Did this lawyer not attend law school? Or am I missing something here?

    He graduated top of his class at Trump University.


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    #851
    Water John
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    Why he squeals, is the big question?
    If he has opened the door for her, she'll bank millions on the story.


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    #852
    everlast75
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    B0jangles wrote: »
    I'm betting that Cohen did pay out the money but only on the understanding that Trump would pay him back, then Trump stiffed him

    I think he stiffed her - that's the problem...


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    #853
    Quin_Dub
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    Water John wrote: »
    Why he squeals, is the big question?
    If he has opened the door for her, she'll bank millions on the story.

    This is the key question.. Why go public with this now?

    The Porter story was dominating the news , everyone had kinda forgotten about Stormy.

    What does anyone on the Trump side of this gain from this disclosure?

    What bigger story is Cohen trying to protect himself from?


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    #854
    Leroy42
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    You just answered it. They couldn't control the porter story so get media to switch to this.

    Most people simply accept this is something Trump would do (affair) and who does it hurt.

    The Porter story is getting very close to Kelly, KAC and SHS never mind Trump himself


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    #855
    Overheal
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    Water John wrote: »
    Why he squeals, is the big question?
    If he has opened the door for her, she'll bank millions on the story.

    He had to. Someone had filed complaints with the FEC about the payment to her, which was a direct violation of campaign finance laws. So he tried to jump ahead of that by saying the payment was entirely him and not affiliated with Trump, but I wish him the best of luck with that narrative. Especially now that it may have breached her NDA. If it does I don't see him not being so fired.


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    #856
    Water John
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    Agree Overheal, have read that. Schiff is right, it's always, follow the money.


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    #857
    Leroy42
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    Was there an actual admission prior to this that this money had been paid or was it speculation (well founded).

    This is basically an admission that the story is correct, or was that already established?


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    #858
    Peregrinus
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    This isn't strictly an admission that the story is correct, since you could argue that, true or false, the story is damaging to Trump and you pay the money to limit the damage.

    It's just that not many people are going to believe you when you say that. In the public mind, this payment confirms that Trump did sleep with the porn star.


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    #859
    Water John
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    It was the NYT, I think that had the story. Don't think there was any comment. But the NDA was seen.


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    #860
    aloyisious
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    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Was there an actual admission prior to this that this money had been paid or was it speculation (well founded).

    This is basically an admission that the story is correct, or was that already established?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/14/us/politics/stormy-daniels-michael-cohen-trump.html

    The incident and the payment were both way before the Trump election campaign itself started so it shouldn't give any legal disclaimer, election or Presidential immunity to give DT any wriggle-room. It probably proves the point that the last person you shoild stiff is your legal protector.

    Plus this two-story report; https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/porn-actress-free-to-discuss-alleged-trump-affair-828163.html


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    #861
    Peregrinus
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    aloyisious wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/14/us/politics/stormy-daniels-michael-cohen-trump.html

    The incident and the payment were both way before the Trump election campaign itself started so it shouldn't give any legal disclaimer, election or Presidential immunity to give DT any wriggle-room . . .
    On the other hand, it makes it hard to argue that the payment ought to have been disclosed as a campaign contribution. There may not be anything illegal in what has happened here.


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    #862
    Overheal
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    On the other hand, it makes it hard to argue that the payment ought to have been disclosed as a campaign contribution. There may not be anything illegal in what has happened here.

    Nope, John Edwards made precedent there. Paid off accusers during his campaign, for prior things.


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    #863
    Peregrinus
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Nope, John Edwards made precedent there. Paid off accusers during his campaign, for prior things.
    Yes, and Edwards was indicted and tried for campaign finance violations. He was acquitted, but it's clear that payments of this kind can amount to criminal violations of campaign finance laws.

    But the Edwards payments were made right in the middle of his 2008 election campaign. Indeed, they were made by his campaign finance manager. In this case, if the payments were made before Trump's election campaign had ever started, as aloysius says, then it's going to be much harder to frame them as a violation of campaign finance laws.


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    #864
    Leroy42
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    The payment was made late 2016, just before the election


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    #865
    Peregrinus
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    Leroy42 wrote: »
    The payment was made late 2016, just before the election
    Right, so. I misread Aloysius's post on that point.


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    #866
    jooksavage
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    He's been on Twitter making claims about the mental instability of the school shooter. Seems to be implying that classmates and neighbors had failed to report him even though they "knew he was a big problem". Report him for what? He's being described as a lonely, rude, awkward, racist oddball with a disturbing Instagram account. The school already expelled him. What are "the authorities" supposed to have done about him?


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    #867
    everlast75
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    jooksavage wrote: »
    He's been on Twitter making claims about the mental instability of the school shooter. Seems to be implying that classmates and neighbors had failed to report him even though they "knew he was a big problem". Report him for what? He's being described as a lonely, rude, awkward, racist oddball with a disturbing Instagram account. The school already expelled him. What are "the authorities" supposed to have done about him?

    Deflect deflect deflect. That is and always has been the strategy so as to avoid the serious problem that America has guns. The usual line is

    "let's not politicise the shooting of these poor people. Now is not the time to talk about gun control. Thoughts and prayers etc"


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    #868
    Zubeneschamali
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    jooksavage wrote: »
    He's being described as a lonely, rude, awkward, racist oddball with a disturbing Instagram account.

    Swap it for a Twitter account, and it could be a description of Trump.


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    #869
    robinph
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    jooksavage wrote: »
    What are "the authorities" supposed to have done about him?

    Not letting him or anyone else have such easy access to a gun would be a start.


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    #870
    everlast75
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Swap it for a Twitter account, and it could be a description of Trump.

    Does DT have an Instagram account? 'Cause it would take a braver man than me to check!


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    #871
    eire4
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    jooksavage wrote: »
    He's been on Twitter making claims about the mental instability of the school shooter. Seems to be implying that classmates and neighbors had failed to report him even though they "knew he was a big problem". Report him for what? He's being described as a lonely, rude, awkward, racist oddball with a disturbing Instagram account. The school already expelled him. What are "the authorities" supposed to have done about him?

    Disgusting response absolutely disgusting. One part authoritarianism in that everyone should be reporting people to the authorities. Shades of the drift towards authoritarianism and a police state there. Then another part even more horrible arguably in that by implication he is blaming the classmates and neighbours for this murder spree. Nothing short of disgusting.

    The reality is that the blood of those kids and I emphasize the word kids is on every member of congress, every member of the senate and every member of the current US government who has done nothing to stop the mass killings which just go on and on. Listening to officials and politicians trot our the usual thoughts and prayers rubbish is frankly sickening.


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