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FI Charts (T120+ onwards) Winter 2018 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    bnt wrote: »
    I know, and you know, but I'm thinking of casual visitors who might not be familiar with such specific jargon.

    Well this is the Technical Discussion thread, so there's going to be lots of terminology they aren't familiar with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,225 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    With an easterly, given the continent is in the freezer, we don't need upper air to be as cold as say from a north westerly for snow to fall, also dew points from an easterly should be lower due to dryer air. As well as that snow can fall with -2 uppers from a frontal event, if the wet bulb temperature is low enough(0.6)
    Although, as you say, what will likely happen is the front decays over Ireland. I just hope you are wrong and this is one of these rare occurrences where everything goes right and we see Met Eireann talking about significant accumulations even to lower levels.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭George Sunsnow


    Aye snow just needs the air below freezing and not above 1c or so at the surface from cloud base to ground

    So if fast moving air at 5000 ft is -2c and advected surface air from sea level to 1000ft from a freezing UK is around 0c or 1c, your precip will probably be snow
    It happened in 2010
    It often happened in the 80’s


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,226 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Aye snow just needs the air below freezing and not above 1c or so at the surface from cloud base to ground

    So if fast moving air at 5000 ft is -2c and advected surface air from sea level to 1000ft from a freezing UK is around 0c or 1c, your precip will probably be snow
    It happened in 2010
    It often happened in the 80’s

    ECMOPEU12_120_2.png

    ECM0-120.GIF?31-0

    Solid ECM. The "beast from the east" vs the, eh, "beast from the west":pac: You'll be able to see the beast from your house;)

    Progress is progress.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Yea - they aren't your picture postcard Synoptics but they are cold and very interesting with numerous sliding snow events possible. An interesting 10 days aheadðŸ‘


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,296 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Went from nothing to this, quite interesting.

    Extremely skeptical for my location as always, what's frontal snow 10km inland could be rain here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭George Sunsnow


    You'll be able to see the beast from your house;)

    Progress is progress.

    Hopefully I won’t need a really powerful telescope!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭kod87


    ECMOPEU12_120_2.png

    ECM0-120.GIF?31-0

    Solid ECM. The "beast from the east" vs the, eh, "beast from the west":pac: You'll be able to see the beast from your house;)

    Progress is progress.

    Yes, and we would be stuck in the sleety ****e in the middle, typical


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    Ahhhh The auwl elongated triangular finger of green slime.

    There it is,stretching from deep in the Azores,curving and arching beautifully with precision,so as to envelope Ireland and only Ireland in its moist intimate Bossom.Its a deep,deep love affair,oh saucy! ...

    ...Deep cold to our north east,and unusual cold splurging southwards in the north Atlantic,but there it is,the ever present elongated triangular finger of green slime that somehow manages to position itself perfectly to prevent the cold reaching ireland,the same finger of slime that prevents hot Spanish plumes encroaching over Ireland in summer.

    It prevents and shunts the deep cold pool away to the east before it strides slowly eastwards, then as the deep cold from the north Atlantic staggers foward,it falls apart moments before reaching our shores,by about 50 miles,modifies and dilutes into watery mi-wadi,like an unfit athlete that's run out of breath.Its hilarious,if you ever watch the -10 hpa isotherm approach Ireland it just dies a death as it approaches,no matter which angle it's coming from,it will side step us and hop up to Scotland,it's will dance around us and easily pour itself over southern england,
    Before the final kick in the teeth - watching it ouzze down towards Spain and the med with such grace and ease and swagger.

    Rinse & Repeat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Are the islands themselves responsible for the high?

    Like, should I hate them and their peoples?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭MidMan25


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Are the islands themselves responsible for the high?

    Like, should I hate them and their peoples?

    Yes a few tiny dots in the middle of the Atlantic responsible for a huge high pressure :pac:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Been following the ECM on next Mondays potential and certainly a great study perhaps ( for me anyway :pac: ) for a front running into cold air and producing snow. The ECM can be shy enough at predicting snow but promising at this early stage, but still 5 days away. Looks like the Eastern side of the country with the most chance but if this comes off it will probably have a rain/ sleet start and maybe a sleet / rain ending?.

    Tues looks very cold also but at that stage looking like a NW'ly feed of wintry precipitation. In general looking quite cold. Four days ago it was looking like HP's and a big change since so anything can happen .

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Bit more bite in the Easterly on the pub run

    It's an amazing run. Not so far into FI at all.

    Oh god, please happen


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭typhoony


    bit of an upgrade on this run and something for everyone. the jet is in an unusual position and with a quiet Atlantic we also get an unusually cold source from the north west as well being on the edge of an easterly. interesting times ahead


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    The 18z GFS sends Ireland and the UK into the freezer, -10c 850hpa temps pouring in from BOTH the East and North West, a snowy Nirvana if this were to come to pass.

    Now let's get this inside +96hrs...


  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Snowbiee21


    I’ll leave this one here❄️


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    It's getting well into the unreliable timeframe now, but it's impossible to stop watching.

    Nearing five days of freezing temps and snow possibilities from pretty much every direction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭pad199207


    That 18z is NOT without interest


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭George Sunsnow


    pad199207 wrote: »
    That 18z is NOT without interest

    Now there’s an under statement...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Now there’s an under statement...

    I know wouldn’t be like me ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,296 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    I'm a bit depressed looking at Meteorites chart!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Look at this instead.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 932 ✭✭✭snowstorm445


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Are the islands themselves responsible for the high?

    Like, should I hate them and their peoples?

    They’re actually beautiful islands, would recommend a visit. :)

    But yes the Azores High is unfortunately the scourge of the Irish winter. As the above charts grimly highlight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    Anyone waiting up till 4am to peek at the gfs 00z.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Balls to that, I'd be up til six


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Anyone waiting up till 4am to peek at the gfs 00z.

    More interested in this coming in range of tomorrow's ARPEGE, to get a 3rd perspective!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    This will no doubt change but looks good

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    Cold week next week, Tues looking very cold at this stage.

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    I'm a bit depressed looking at Meteorites chart!

    Snow is just so rare on this side of the country at low levels, maybe a few snow showers on Tues next if we are lucky!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    I'm not sure where all the melancholy is coming from.

    There's broad model support for a decent cold period coming up with plenty of snowy potential coming in from both sides.

    And maybe the GFS has gone mad, but if it's got this right then we're possibly in for one of the greats


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    gabeeg wrote: »
    I'm not sure where all the melancholy is coming from.

    All the west coasters ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Well it is a silly place to live if you like snow.

    You should know better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The first week in February has been kind to us before back in the 80s and 90s. Let's hope we get a (easterly) blast from the past this time again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    What was that periodic pattern that someone mentioned a few weeks ago, that suggested a higher frequency of cold spells vaguely around February 10th?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    https://mobile.twitter.com/NWSCPC/status/958796146952015872

    'Prelim data shows highest amplitude MJO event on record (back to 1979) over the West Pacific. Wow! #MJO #ClimateSmart'

    Hmmm very interesting... Let's keep that amplitude up and keep on moving towards phase 8


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    I'm not sure where all the melancholy is coming from.
    MJohnston wrote: »
    All the west coasters ;)

    Yes we're world weary listening to all the east coasters misery porn moan rants,misty eyed,nostalgic,"when I was a lad" trips down misery,I mean memory lane, since the onset of winter.

    Oh,how I do hope one is buried to their oxsters in it. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,226 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Definitely heading in the right direction. Just checked out the ensembles and some stunners in there.

    Increasingly cold over the weekend and a heightening risk of snow is the headline...it's not just the snow potential but also some very, very cold nights.

    GFSP01EU18_108_2.png

    Still 96 hrs + potential, still a lot that can go wrong.



    Screw it, go nuts :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,225 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


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    I know these are not the most reliable, but you don't see charts like this one every day! Snow for all!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    The Iberian peninsula potentialy frozen solid as next week progresses also,all but the coastal extremities at freezing and below.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,226 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    GFS and UKMO pretty much more of the same. The theme for us is mostly multiple chances of some frontal snow events. Which I suspect is the way it will pan out.

    The first seems likely to be through Monday night and Tuesday.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    The slurry muck is coming in quicker,wafting over the top of the Azores high,bringing temperatures up to 10/11/12 degrees briefly next saturday...

    The slurry muck wins out towards the end of the run this time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,225 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    That high at day 10 is only paying a brief visit before it goes off to Greenland:)
    That may be wishful thinking


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,226 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    ECM advecting cold eastern air further west than any other model by 96 hours. This is what we want to see.

    ECM0-96.GIF?01-12

    The difference may look subtle between the UKMO and ECM but it's actually fairly significant for our prospects.

    UKMO

    UKMOPEU00_96_1.png

    ECM

    ECMOPEU00_96_1.png

    And by Monday night we see the Atlantic front over the country occluding and stalling with exceptionally cold air east and west turning to snow over the country.

    ECM0-120.GIF?01-12

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Just a quick reminder to folks not to go over to Netweather. These scenarios usually go pear shaped for us and bury Britain in snow.

    For health reasons just avoid it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    MJohnston wrote: »
    What was that periodic pattern that someone mentioned a few weeks ago, that suggested a higher frequency of cold spells vaguely around February 10th?

    Buchans cold spells. 7 to 14 Feb is the relevant one here. The last really proper easterly I remember came in those dates in 1991.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,226 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Upgrade on the ICON model from it's previous run. Big upgrade on it's previous run actually. The more the cold air is advected west, the better.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    The easterly is a little further west on the 06z at 84 hours


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭Rodar08


    Is it still too far out to have it’s own thread etc. Seems exciting but not much discussion happening on it. Am I getting ahead of myself? MTs forecast seems so skim over next week but I have a good feeling about tomorrow’s forecast? More hints of the event possibly peter? Eeekk 🙈🀪 thanks for the updates so far guys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,561 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Still too much left to verify. At the moment the balance of outcomes is for cold nights, spells of showers with mixed wintry falls and any accumulations on higher ground in the east and north. At lower populated levels im seeing daytime temps of 4-7C in the early days of next week, nothing to write home about.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Probably worth discussing it in the Winter thread at this point though, given it's starting to exit the FI timeframe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,226 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Still too much left to verify. At the moment the balance of outcomes is for cold nights, spells of showers with mixed wintry falls and any accumulations on higher ground in the east and north. At lower populated levels im seeing daytime temps of 4-7C in the early days of next week, nothing to write home about.

    lol - oh how wrong...:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,226 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Very rare sight to see the ICON model for any snow anywhere in Ireland...

    iconeu_uk1-1-117-0.png?01-11


    Defend the east coast!

    iconeu_uk1-16-105-0.png?01-11


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