Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

ClanofLams · 31-01-2018 06:15PM

Feel for Kiss. Regardless of errors made, ulsters issues extend far beyond him.

Not gone on this recent trend of coaches leaving mid season either, Northampton and Ulster in the last few weeks.

awec · 31-01-2018 06:18PM

ClanofLams wrote: »

Feel for Kiss. Regardless of errors made, ulsters issues extend far beyond him.

Not gone on this recent trend of coaches leaving mid season either, Northampton and Ulster in the last few weeks.

Well it gives Kiss time to find a new job, it's probably better than hanging around as a lame duck.

keith_sixteen · 31-01-2018 06:20PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Classy.

MJohnston · 31-01-2018 06:20PM

Nothing will change, it's just rearranging the deck chairs. The day I hear about a structural reorganisation of the entire club is when I'll feel optimistic. The fact we now have a coach who doesn't want to be coach says it all.

awec · 31-01-2018 06:27PM

MJohnston wrote: »

Nothing will change, it's just rearranging the deck chairs. The day I hear about a structural reorganisation of the entire club is when I'll feel optimistic. The fact we now have a coach who doesn't want to be coach says it all.

If that doesn't begin to happen now it never will. Not sure what else needs to happen for the management structures at Ulster and the relevant IRFU people to realise that actual change is needed.

prawnsambo · 31-01-2018 06:29PM

MJohnston wrote: »

Nothing will change, it's just rearranging the deck chairs. The day I hear about a structural reorganisation of the entire club is when I'll feel optimistic. The fact we now have a coach who doesn't want to be coach says it all.

This. So many million times this.

Though I think the bolded bit should read "in charge".

mfceiling · 31-01-2018 06:30PM

A lot of the players want to take a damn good look at themselves in the mirror and think about what has happened.

Kiss wasn't working out and a lot of his selections were bizarre at times. However the boys that were picked to play didn't cover themselves in glory and certainly didn't make LK's job easy.

awec · 31-01-2018 06:30PM

Payne the new defence coach according to UTV.

irishbucsfan · 31-01-2018 06:36PM

awec wrote: »

Payne the new defence coach according to UTV.

Wonder if he's done playing?

Paul Smeenus · 31-01-2018 06:42PM

awec wrote: »

In-the-know on UAFC:

IRFU got involved a month ago, they wanted to get rid of Kiss but were worried Gibbes would leave as he doesn't want to be in charge. Gibbes has been asked to see it out to the end of the year and he'll get a new boss.

But- but- but player power / Ulster blazers / football fans!!!

prawnsambo · 31-01-2018 07:08PM

So 'Gibbes out' in:

Yeah_Right · 31-01-2018 07:12PM

MJohnston wrote: »

The fact we now have a coach who doesn't want to be coach says it all.

If you're referring to Gibbes, I don't think that's accurate. I would say the opposite is true. All he wants to be is the coach and he doesn't want to deal with the political, media and PR crap. Get someone in to look after that stuff and leave Gibbes to coach.

31-01-2018 07:15PM

So how long will the next DOR get? One season? 2? 3?

Former Former · 31-01-2018 07:16PM

Some absolute gob****e just texted into Game On saying Kiss' demise was IRFU's fault for getting rid of Pienaar.

I despair sometimes.

Zzippy · 31-01-2018 07:18PM

Former Former wrote: »

Some absolute gob****e just texted into Game On saying Kiss' demise was IRFU's fault for getting rid of Pienaar.

I despair sometimes.

Was it awec?

stl.ire · 31-01-2018 07:19PM

awec wrote: »

Payne the new defence coach according to UTV.

He’s the best defender on the team so hopefully it works out. Maybe Munster can give us a go at borrowing Farrell!

Stheno · 31-01-2018 07:19PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Was it awec?

Nah

He was so overcome with the news that his wife thought he was having a heart attack and the shock has sent her into labour

prawnsambo · 31-01-2018 07:23PM

Stheno wrote: »

Nah

He was so overcome with the news that his wife thought he was having a heart attack and the shock has sent her into labour

That's just making it more likely. I mean what else is the useless git able to do?

Paul Smeenus · 31-01-2018 07:31PM

connemara man wrote: »

So how long will the next DOR get? One season? 2? 3?

Depends on whether the IRFU fires this one early as well.

MJohnston · 31-01-2018 07:33PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

If you're referring to Gibbes, I don't think that's accurate. I would say the opposite is true. All he wants to be is the coach and he doesn't want to deal with the political, media and PR crap. Get someone in to look after that stuff and leave Gibbes to coach.

Ah you know what I mean though, it's not about Gibbes' viewpoint, which is fine, it's the fact that they've gone ahead and put him in charge of all that anyway when he doesn't want to do it. It's emblematic of the structural problems of the club.

bilston · 31-01-2018 07:59PM

awec wrote: »

Payne the new defence coach according to UTV.

That's good news and possibly bad news all rolled into one.

That said he may be a terrible coach!

case885 · 31-01-2018 08:33PM

Cave will be a happy man tonight.

Stheno · 31-01-2018 08:45PM

https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/international-rugby/david-nucifora-came-in-for-a-lot-of-flak-but-he-has-been-proven-100-right-ulster-star-on-ruan-pienaar-decision-36553764.html

Cave says Nucifora was right about Piennar

Might need another rugby mod in the morning after awec implodes

thomond2006 · 31-01-2018 08:48PM

It has definitely worked out. Cooney could be the starter for the next five years. Pienaar at best would have gone for three more?

Tbh there hasn't been many egregious errors when cases like this have come up. Nathan Hines probably stands out. Leinster didn't properly replace him until Fardy arrived years later.

MJohnston · 31-01-2018 08:54PM

I'd agree a bit more with Cave if Cooney had been a talent that'd been kept out of the team by Pienaar's presence, but ultimately he's just another import.

Stheno · 31-01-2018 08:55PM

MJohnston wrote: »

I'd agree a bit more with Cave if Cooney had been a talent that'd been kept out of the team by Pienaar's presence, but ultimately he's just another import.

Where did he come from?

salmocab · 31-01-2018 08:57PM

Have to say I thought at the time that Ulster should have been allowed keep Pienaar for another season but Cooney has been an excellent signing for them. He’s playing great and seems to be consistent.

whatawaster · 31-01-2018 08:58PM

Cooney has been better this season than Pienaar was last year. It's been a great move all round

jacothelad · 31-01-2018 09:15PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

It has definitely worked out. Cooney could be the starter for the next five years. Pienaar at best would have gone for three more?

Tbh there hasn't been many egregious errors when cases like this have come up. Nathan Hines probably stands out. Leinster didn't properly replace him until Fardy arrived years later.

Didn't Hines leave because he was only offered a one year deal because of his age rather than a 2 year contract whereas Pienaar was simply shown the door because he was holding back the 32 year old 200+ caps and Irish capped Paul Marshall.:D:D:D

whatawaster wrote: »

Cooney has been better this season than Pienaar was last year. It's been a great move all round

Cooney has been very fine indeed but Pienaar is a different type of player. Given the sorry state of Ulster Rugby, the team would have been better with Pienaar here than not but I suppose we might not have attracted Cooney in that event. Cooney is now holding back Paul Marshall.

jacothelad · 31-01-2018 09:24PM

I suspect we will see quite a few players leave. I'm sure there are quite a few unhappy bunnies after the last 2 years of waffle and probably little change in the governance. There are some decent forwards under the shirts.

Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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