Eir rural FTTH thread

turbbo · 25-01-2018 05:41PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

The various departments of Openeir strike again. It is impossible to know which set of figures, if any, are accurate. There are several areas listed in your link with one premises passed. How is it possible that they would only pass one home.

Deja-vu here alright. I got openeir to retract false information before :rolleyes:

KeRbDoG · 25-01-2018 07:26PM

Gaffs89 wrote: »

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FTTH 150 from Eir.Plenty of bad experiences shared here but not many good ones. Mine went like clockwork.
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As with all things on forums, people search/post online when things go wrong with products/services rather than when it goes well

Great to hear it all went well!

ACLFC7 wrote: »

I don't think this was posted yet http://fibrerollout.ie/open-eir-passes-130k-rural-homes-businesses-fibre-home-ftth/
Some of the numbers are different to the map. I only had a quick look but Brittas for example says 185 passed but on the map it only says 100 passed.

Well, for some reason I'm in one of those areas which I know is not live yet but its marked as live by OpenEir - its nearly there but the cabling isn't complete on any stretch of road. Someone jumping the gun a little ticking a box in a spreadsheet

turbbo · 25-01-2018 07:29PM

KeRbDoG wrote: »

As with all things on forums, people search/post online when things go wrong with products/services rather than when it goes well

Great to hear it all went well!

Irish people are notoriously poor for complaining about goods and services. However we do love a good moan about weather or the government usually things that we know won't be heard. I welcome a culture that looks for improved services by giving feedback.

Marlow · 25-01-2018 09:03PM

ACLFC7 wrote: »

I don't think this was posted yet http://fibrerollout.ie/open-eir-passes-130k-rural-homes-businesses-fibre-home-ftth/

Some of the numbers are different to the map. I only had a quick look but Brittas for example says 185 passed but on the map it only says 100 passed.

I really wonder what they based those figures on. They don't match what I've seen elsewhere. So there's data from the 22nd (map), 23rd (something else) and 24th (said page) and non of it matches.

I wonder, why that doesn't wonder me at all.

/M

MiskyBoyy · 25-01-2018 10:10PM

What's with some villages having only a single premise passed?

Gboyd · 26-01-2018 01:15AM

So the rollout seems to be continuing slowly but surely and no further news about the 300k being dropped in favour of urban reallocation of resources.

Has anyone heard anything from their sources in the know regarding the 300k and if eir are going to see it through?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 26-01-2018 12:30PM

My source contacted me yesterday with this claim:

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2018-01-23a.1145&s=broadband+20%2C000#g1146.q

This is fairly simple. Eir have capped their rural capex at 300k premises even before the recent takeover and they want to lose some of the really rural ones to satisfy the new boss. SIRO is out of the NBP and with it the serious threat to the eir rural monopoly.

Now Naughten is saying he has instructed his 'Broadband Officers' to submit 20,000 premises that are 'misclassified' and he says that he will put them into the Eir 300,000. Eir will promptly remove 20,000 premises to compensate.

By and large misclassified blue premises are on the outskirts of towns and villages and are often passed by eir fibre or within no more than 1km of it. Eir knows perfectly where they are as they sold them initially minimum 12mbit VDSL and since 2016 minimum 10mbit VDSL on vectored cabs.

By doing so Naughten may well keep eir to their 300,000 commitment overall....by allowing Eir to rejig the overall set of premises. It is allowed within the parameters of the commitment contract where up to 30k premises or 10% can change over the course of the agreement. Really rural out and urban fringes come in ...nice low hanging fruit.

Naughten would dearly love to be reshuffled out of Comms before the implications of this grubby deal sink in as they will fairly soon. Take it that the Q4 2018 areas are gone completely now and not pushed into 2019 or anything.

turbbo · 26-01-2018 12:42PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

My source contacted me yesterday with this claim:

Whilst I can see the logic in some of the claim there are a load of contradictions too - in an urban fringe exchange area myself which is down for late 2018.

From reading that - my exchange area will be fast tracked, but as it's down for late 2018 its not happening.

So as always Eir are not to be trusted - and the dept.couldn't organise a pi$$up in a brewery, that's what I take from that.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 26-01-2018 12:48PM

turbbo wrote: »

Whilst I can see the logic in some of the claim there are a load of contradictions too - in an urban fringe exchange area myself which is down for late 2018.

From reading that - my exchange area will be fast tracked, but as it's down for late 2018 its not happening.

So as always Eir are not to be trusted - and the dept.couldn't organise a pi$$up in a brewery, that's what I take from that.

I think they mean some very rural Q4'2018 areas may be at risk of missing out. Again this is not definitive but seems plausible.

turbbo · 26-01-2018 12:52PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I think they mean some very rural Q4'2018 areas may be at risk of missing out. Again this is not definitive but seems plausible.

Sure hope you're right for my sake! :eek: It's a horrible rotten mess by the sounds of it- Naughten will go down in flames on this one - poor bast@rd.
It astounds me how badly the whole thing is being handled. Allowing Eir to control it was flawed from the outset.

Gonzo · 26-01-2018 01:06PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I think they mean some very rural Q4'2018 areas may be at risk of missing out. Again this is not definitive but seems plausible.

I really hope this doesn't happen. There are alot of people sitting in Q4'2018 areas following this project since 2015 waiting to finally get proper broadband. There will be uproar if certain areas are removed back into NBP in favour of more urban areas. I know a few people living in such areas and it would be heart breaking for them if they got removed. Sadly I don't think anyone other than Eir get to control what happens. Also Eir's new management sound like we could be seeing a more traditional Eir like we had before 2010, a company that will abandon rural areas and only invest in urban areas where there is reasonable profit to be made.

turbbo · 26-01-2018 01:14PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I really hope this doesn't happen. There are alot of people sitting in Q4'2018 areas following this project since 2015 waiting to finally get proper broadband. There will be uproar if certain areas are removed back into NBP in favour of more urban areas. I know a few people living in such areas and it would be heart breaking for them if they got removed. Sadly I don't think anyone other than Eir get to control what happens. Also Eir's new management sound like we could be seeing a more traditional Eir like we had before 2010, a company that will abandon rural areas and only invest in urban areas where there is reasonable profit to be made.

In fairness I expected it from the offset - Eir had a very tokenistic approach to anything to do with this "fibre rollout". When Siro were in the running I thought we'd see change but lack of serious competition has allowed the incumbent to do what it likes once again. Jesus wept.

shigllgetcha · 26-01-2018 01:31PM

Poles being replaced on my road. Its only an early stage isnt it, still a good few months to wait?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 26-01-2018 01:32PM

shigllgetcha wrote: »

Poles being replaced on my road. Its only an early stage isnt it, still a good few months to wait?

Pretty much the start of the process. Several months wait I'd expect.

Gonzo · 26-01-2018 02:20PM

turbbo wrote: »

In fairness I expected it from the offset - Eir had a very tokenistic approach to anything to do with this "fibre rollout". When Siro were in the running I thought we'd see change but lack of serious competition has allowed the incumbent to do what it likes once again. Jesus wept.

I am still willing to believe they will finish this rollout, but it is clear the direction they are heading back to once this rollout is put to bed. The February update is very encouraging. However I think we should be starting to read reports of Q4 2018 areas getting started soon to see how realistic are Eir are finishing this project. Most if not all areas planned to be completed by Q3 2018 are already underway, so those areas should be safe.

Eir's numbers of premises passed and live are very up in the air too. The numbers published on http://fibrerollout.ie/open-eir-passes-130k-rural-homes-businesses-fibre-home-ftth/ are very different to what is on the fibrerollout map.

My exchange of Dunshaughlin has a different total of premises passed every month and the number keeps declining! At one stage they had Dunshaughlin passed for over 600 FTTH premises, now it's back to 536 on the press release and 510 on the rollout map, the original planned number was 570.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 26-01-2018 02:39PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I am still willing to believe they will finish this rollout, but it is clear the direction they are heading back to once this rollout is put to bed. The February update is very encouraging. However I think we should be starting to read reports of Q4 2018 areas getting started soon to see how realistic are Eir are finishing this project. Most if not all areas planned to be completed by Q3 2018 are already underway, so those areas should be safe.

Eir's numbers of premises passed and live are very up in the air too. The numbers published on http://fibrerollout.ie/open-eir-passes-130k-rural-homes-businesses-fibre-home-ftth/ are very different to what is on the fibrerollout map.

My exchange of Dunshaughlin has a different total of premises passed every month and the number keeps declining! At one stage they had Dunshaughlin passed for over 600 FTTH premises, now it's back to 536 on the press release and 510 on the rollout map, the original planned number was 570.

I think one explanation for the discrepancy between http://fibrerollout.ie/open-eir-passes-130k-rural-homes-businesses-fibre-home-ftth/ and the numbers on the map may be that the 130K figure is counting premises that may be passed with cable but are not yet live whereas the map numbers are live premises.

Navan appears on the list with 166 premises and there are areas outside the town with cabling complete with distribution points. However the Eircodes on these routes are still failing both Openeir and eir retail checks indicating that they are not yet live.

I think it is somewhat disingenuous for them to claim though that all these premises "can now access broadband speeds of up to 1,000Mb/s" when some cannot yet.

KOR101 · 26-01-2018 02:46PM

Gonzo wrote: »

However I think we should be starting to read reports of Q4 2018 areas getting started soon to see how realistic are Eir are finishing this project.

What I saw on the Sneem road out of Kenmare would relate to the Blackwater exchange which is down for Q4 2018. I was surprised frankly but if that's the planned date that sort of work would need to be going on now.

Gonzo · 26-01-2018 02:47PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I think one explanation for the discrepancy between http://fibrerollout.ie/open-eir-passes-130k-rural-homes-businesses-fibre-home-ftth/ and the numbers on the map may be that the 130K figure is counting premises that may be passed with cable but are not yet live whereas the map numbers are live premises.

Navan appears on the list with 166 premises and there are areas outside the town with cabling complete with distribution points. However the Eircodes on these routes are still failing both Openeir and eir retail checks indicating that they are not yet live.

I think it is somewhat disingenuous for them to claim though that all these premises "can now access broadband speeds of up to 1,000Mb/s" when some cannot yet.

Tara is another location with a huge difference. The map claims 220 are live, while the press release states 965!

on the plus side, that is alot of very rural homes getting FTTH that probably never even had ADSL, Tara isn't really a village, more of a scattered townland spread over a large area with a mixture of ribbon developments and one off housing.

AidenL · 26-01-2018 04:51PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

My source contacted me yesterday with this claim:

Thats very interesting to me, from a purely selfish point of view.

I suppose looking at my house here, in the blue, with an amber dot, plus my neighbours, we were all being passed by fibre, which is running further out the road, but we weren't being connected.

Id imagine, this scenario, where homes are easy overhead connections, 10m back from the new poles ( which are currently being erected by KN in Ballyshannon) would be easy wins and could be part of the 20k extra. From Eir and Openeirs position, its madness to drive by these low hanging fruit, and not connect them surely, as they are literally within spitting distance.

Im hopeful I'll benefit from this.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 26-01-2018 05:08PM

AidenL wrote: »

Thats very interesting to me, from a purely selfish point of view.

I suppose looking at my house here, in the blue, with an amber dot, plus my neighbours, we were all being passed by fibre, which is running further out the road, but we weren't being connected.

Id imagine, this scenario, where homes are easy overhead connections, 10m back from the new poles ( which are currently being erected by KN in Ballyshannon) would be easy wins and could be part of the 20k extra. From Eir and Openeirs position, its madness to drive by these low hanging fruit, and not connect them surely, as they are literally within spitting distance.

Im hopeful I'll benefit from this.

What speed can you currently receive? From looking at the map it does seem bizarre that you and your neighbours were overlooked.

jgbyr · 26-01-2018 05:08PM

Similar situation here. I'm on the edge of an urban blue area, but house is amber. Fibre will actually pass our gate going to the top of the road to supply houses. KN network were marking the eir manholes yesterday & there's one outside us which he said is a junction box. The guy said we will get connected, though Openeir have previously told me no. I hope he's right. Work due to begin within the next two months.

AidenL · 26-01-2018 05:11PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

What speed can you currently receive? From looking at the map it does seem bizarre that you and your neighbours were overlooked.

I have 7 down and 0.5 upload......

Yep, its crazy, the whole town has pockets like this. See the attached map.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 26-01-2018 05:16PM

AidenL wrote: »

I have 7 down and 0.5 upload......

Yep, its crazy, the whole town has pockets like this. See the attached map.

It beggars belief that this could arise. Openeir must have known what homes like yours were capable of receiving yet they chose to ignore them for whatever reason. Hopefully you and your neighbours get connected though it will be unfortunate if some will then miss out because of incompetence during the original planning stage.

AidenL · 26-01-2018 05:20PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

It beggars belief that this could arise. Openeir must have known what homes like yours were capable of receiving yet they chose to ignore them for whatever reason. Hopefully you and your neighbours get connected though it will be unfortunate if some will then miss out because of incompetence during the original planning stage.

You can imagine my frustration, and the maddening part is, house next door will have a gig connection, and I might have nothing till God knows when on the NBP.

We are in the middle - a fibre cabinet 1.5km away back towards town, FTTH going further out from the house next door, after being run all the way from town, and us all being passed by the line, but remaining unconnected.

Its loopy. And yes, I feel for the 20k at risk of going out, as much as I hope I'll be one of those added back in.

I wonder when will that be known?

Gonzo · 26-01-2018 05:33PM

AidenL wrote: »

I have 7 down and 0.5 upload......

Yep, its crazy, the whole town has pockets like this. See the attached map.

that is insane. Most if not all those homes could easily be serviceable by FTTH. There must be close to 100 homes there and looks like the fibre just runs past them all.

Dunshaughlin has a similar situation but nowhere nearly as bad as that. There are 36 houses in one estate with no FTTC or FTTH, yet FTTH runs right past it. Those houses have ADSL2 available to them but that's it. There is a second estate with 24 houses with no fibre services either.

There are 600 more houses planned to be built here over the next 3 years, I wonder how will Eir manage the fibre in these areas as there is no cabinets in the area, however FTTH does run past the locations on the way to the rural homes.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 26-01-2018 05:34PM

AidenL wrote: »

You can imagine my frustration, and the maddening part is, house next door will have a gig connection, and I might have nothing till God knows when on the NBP.

We are in the middle - a fibre cabinet 1.5km away back towards town, FTTH going further out from the house next door, after being run all the way from town, and us all being passed by the line, but remaining unconnected.

Its loopy. And yes, I feel for the 20k at risk of going out, as much as I hope I'll be one of those added back in.

I wonder when will that be known?

Yes that would annoy me too. Minister Naughten said that the 20000 extra premises were submitted to eir in November so the decision may have already been made although he says assessment is ongoing. Whether eir or the Department will make known the decision is unknown.

I'd try to get talking to some of the KN guys doing the work as they will be best placed to tell you what the situation is. The guys replacing poles might not know the details but look out for guys spray painting poles or manholes as they will know where the distribution boxes are going to be placed.

turbbo · 26-01-2018 05:36PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Yes that would annoy me too. Minister Naughten said that the 20000 extra premises were submitted to eir in November so the decision may have already been made although he says assessment is ongoing. Whether eir or the Department will make known the decision is unknown.

I'd try to get talking to some of the KN guys doing the work as they will be best placed to tell you what the situation is. The guys replacing poles might not know the details but look out for guys spray painting poles or manholes as they will know where the distribution boxes are going to be placed.

I'll be stalking them if I see any of them round my way - I was all smug before this news today mightn't be as smug now.:D

jgbyr · 26-01-2018 05:55PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I'd try to get talking to some of the KN guys doing the work as they will be best placed to tell you what the situation is. The guys replacing poles might not know the details but look out for guys spray painting poles or manholes as they will know where the distribution boxes are going to be placed.

So can they add properties that eir haven't included if it's practical to do so. That's what I'm hoping.

AidenL · 26-01-2018 05:55PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Yes that would annoy me too. Minister Naughten said that the 20000 extra premises were submitted to eir in November so the decision may have already been made although he says assessment is ongoing. Whether eir or the Department will make known the decision is unknown.

I'd try to get talking to some of the KN guys doing the work as they will be best placed to tell you what the situation is. The guys replacing poles might not know the details but look out for guys spray painting poles or manholes as they will know where the distribution boxes are going to be placed.

turbbo wrote: »

I'll be stalking them if I see any of them round my way - I was all smug before this news today mightn't be as smug now.:D

I'm practicing KN stalking right now !

Just saw a guy on a cherry picker ripping ivy off a pole , they have new poles done right up to my driveway as of this evening.

turbbo · 26-01-2018 05:58PM

AidenL wrote: »

I'm practicing KN stalking right now !

Just saw a guy on a cherry picker ripping ivy off a pole , they have new poles done right up to my driveway as of this evening.

At least you can see progress - not a jot happening around me. Hoping I'm an urban fringe case :eek:

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