Eir rural FTTH thread

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Yes that would annoy me too. Minister Naughten said that the 20000 extra premises were submitted to eir in November so the decision may have already been made although he says assessment is ongoing. Whether eir or the Department will make known the decision is unknown.

I'd try to get talking to some of the KN guys doing the work as they will be best placed to tell you what the situation is. The guys replacing poles might not know the details but look out for guys spray painting poles or manholes as they will know where the distribution boxes are going to be placed.

Actually, I suppose I'll see if splitters are fitted on any of the poles nearer town first, that might indicate that some of the amber houses in the blue zone were going to be connected?

I see my overhead line runs through some trees, I'll have to get them trimmed pretty fast if I see any positive movement!

niallb

Gonzo wrote: »

Tara is another location with a huge difference. The map claims 220 are live, while the press release states 965!

on the plus side, that is alot of very rural homes getting FTTH that probably never even had ADSL, Tara isn't really a village, more of a scattered townland spread over a large area with a mixture of ribbon developments and one off housing.

This might explain the discrepancy...

Councillor Damien O'Reilly on Facebook wrote:

#Update below,
Kilmessan #Broadband
#Kilmessan is being serviced via the Tara exchange. And I’ve been assured it is not full. However, there was an error made before Christmas which resulted in all of Kilmessan being added to the list of passed premises (or “pre-qualified” in eir speak).
Unfortunately there is still a bit of civil engineering work to be done between #Tara and #Kilmessan to complete the connection.
Rather than remove these premises off the system, which can’t be done for some reason the decision was made to use a code visible to the retail sales team which shows that the exchange is full.
This was done to prevent any further sales taking place until after the civil work is completed.
They anticipate this work to be completed in the next 3-4 weeks.
I’ve asked them to look at communicating better the facts to the sales reps so that they can communicate better to customers who are enquiring about getting a service.
Hopefully by the end of February Kilmessan this will be resolved.
Regards,
Cllr. Damien O'Reilly
Tel: 086 8722645
Email: Damien.oreilly@members.meathcoco.ie
Ratoath Municipal District
Meath County Council

jgbyr wrote: »

So can they add properties that eir haven't included if it's practical to do so. That's what I'm hoping.

The Department have asked eir to include 20000 extra premises in the rollout. As far as I can tell they cannot compel eir to pass these homes. So, in my opioion, eir can respond several ways:

No. We signed a contract for a specified amount of homes. This is what we'll do.
We will pass the 20000 extra you've requested but we need to remove 20000 others from the original plan.
We will pass the 20000 extra bringing the total to 320000.

Which of these they will choose is unknown.

AidenL wrote: »

Actually, I suppose I'll see if splitters are fitted on any of the poles nearer town first, that might indicate that some of the amber houses in the blue zone were going to be connected?

I see my overhead line runs through some trees, I'll have to get them trimmed pretty fast if I see any positive movement!

If by splitter you mean distribution point (picture attached) then yes the presence of those closer to the town would be a good sign. The reason I mentioned spray paint was I assumed no cable had yet been run. So if you see poles marked with L or manholes with DP closer to the town then it would also signify good news.

The process usually entails:

Tree cutting > Pole Replacement > Groundwork (ducting, access chambers) > Pole Marking > Cabling > Distribution Boxes

jgbyr

Thanks for the info. The manhole outside our gate has a number on it. So unless we're added as part of the the additional 20k we're goosed really. The KN guy kept saying we'll be connected regardless what open eir say as it's just outside the gate.

nilhg

Don't know if this is really of any relevance to anyone here but might be of interest.

I'm 700+ meters from a fibre enabled cab, and have 40/7mb BB which works very well when it's working

The line feeding my house comes up the main road underground and swings up a rural L road to service all the houses and businesses up there, the spur to my house comes up a pole, across the road and up to my house along 9 further poles, through some mature trees and into the house, there are no other dwellings on this line, any issues I've had with my BB have been down to physical damage from the line rubbing on the tree branches, usually after a storm, on average we have one length of cable replaced a year.

Last autumn open Eir contractors moved in, firstly cutting hedges in the open season, then replacing poles then finally stringing fibre and putting distribution points on the poles, the last pole replaced in the area was the first pole in the line to my house, where the line comes up under the ground, while this was being done a fibre conduit and line was run up the pole, then later a distribution point was installed up the new pole.

This pole, fibre and distribution point can only ever service my house, no work was done to clear the line up to my house, hedgecutting ect (it would take about 2 hours to someone with the right equipment, there's only two or three areas to do).

Our area is now live for FTTH, my house is not on the list, I have to wait for the NBP, my brother who lives on the local road has an install date of 1st feb though his house is inside the circle around the cab and doesn't have the little blue house symbol on the rollout map.

I don't know how much roughly 400m of fibre and some hedge cutting would have cost when the contractors were in the area, especially when open Eir are sending out a crew to fix issues with my line frequently enough you would have thought that it might make sense to get me connected to FTTH but obviously that's not the way they do business

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

The Department have asked eir to include 20000 extra premises in the rollout. As far as I can tell they cannot compel eir to pass these homes. So, in my opioion, eir can respond several ways:
No. We signed a contract for a specified amount of homes. This is what we'll do.

We will pass the 20000 extra you've requested but we need to remove 20000 others from the original plan.

We will pass the 20000 extra bringing the total to 320000.

Which of these they will choose is unknown.

If by splitter you mean distribution point (picture attached) then yes the presence of those closer to the town would be a good sign. The reason I mentioned spray paint was I assumed no cable had yet been run. So if you see poles marked with L or manholes with DP closer to the town then it would also signify good news.

The process usually entails:

Tree cutting > Pole Replacement > Groundwork (ducting, access chambers) > Pole Marking > Cabling > Distribution Boxes

Poles just went up this week.

What does L and DP mean? And what’s the usual timescale from poles until live dates?

jgbyr wrote: »

Thanks for the info. The manhole outside our gate has a number on it. So unless we're added as part of the the additional 20k we're goosed really. The KN guy kept saying we'll be connected regardless what open eir say as it's just outside the gate.

Is the number on the manhole not a good sign?

jgbyr

AidenL wrote: »

Is the number on the manhole not a good sign?

I don't know. The fibre will be going through it & the KN guy said we could get connected off it even though we're listed as amber.

AidenL wrote: »

Poles just went up this week.

What does L and DP mean?

L stands for loop I believe. It is to inform the guys running the cable to leave a loop of cable long enough to facilitate the box installation and subsequently allow the box to be removed from the pole if splicing is required. You can see the loop in the above picture wrapped behind the box.

They seem to mark some manholes with DP and I assume it means that a Distribution Point i.e. the above box, is going in the manhole so again leave enough cable.

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

L stands for loop I believe. It is to inform the guys running the cable to leave a loop of cable long enough to facilitate the box installation ans subsequently allow the box to be removed from the pole if splicing is required. You can see the loop in the above picture wrapped behind the box.

They seem to mark some manholes with DP and I assume it means that a Distribution Point i.e. the above box, is going in the manhole so again leave enough cable.

Thank you! I’ll keep my eyes peeled.....

AidenL wrote: »

Thank you! I’ll keep my eyes peeled.....

About the time frame. In my own area it was several months, about six I think, from pole replacement to cabling being finished. They may have sped up the process now though as they will be under pressure to get the contract completed.

KeRbDoG

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Slowly the rollout continues, photos from the rollout in my area;
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The right role belongs to Eir. Thats the end of a long span when it will connect up to the underground fiber. Spool of fiber on the top from the aerial span and spool at the bottom from an underground duct.

Anyone know the usual timeline for when these are spliced/connected up?

Some more movement for the rollout in my area, the start of the aerial span and spool at the bottom from an underground duct have been connected up. Not the neatest job, the splice/distribution-box left on the ground a foot or two from the road. Maybe it was home/dinner time?

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Some more movement for the rollout in my area, the start of the aerial span and spool at the bottom from an underground duct have been connected up. Not the neatest job, the splice/distribution-box left on the ground a foot or two from the road. Maybe it was home/dinner time?

That is pretty shoddy alright. They could have at least taped it to the pole like their colleagues in Galway!

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102828186&postcount=3792

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Looks like it fell off!
perhaps they forgot to clip it into place.

Where are people getting the specific quarter dates for their areas? The checker simply states second half of 2018 for me ....

Gboyd wrote: »

Where are people getting the specific quarter dates for their areas? The checker simply states second half of 2018 for me ....

On http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/ or http://www.openeir.ie/Our_Network/#nga-map if you zoom into your area and click the exchange icon you should get a popup stating "Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is..." Spring, Summer, Autumn etc.

Johnboy1951

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

On http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/ or http://www.openeir.ie/Our_Network/#nga-map if you zoom into your area and click the exchange icon you should get a popup stating "Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is..." Spring, Summer, Autumn etc.

No info about rural roll out now for me ..... it used to be there but the 'message' has changed.

Do you see the same?

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

No info about rural roll out now for me ..... it used to be there but the 'message' has changed.

Do you see the same?

For your particular exchange or all exchanges? I tend to use http://www.openeir.ie/Our_Network/#nga-map as it is quicker to navigate and it seems to be working.

Johnboy1951

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

For your particular exchange or all exchanges? I tend to use http://www.openeir.ie/Our_Network/#nga-map as it is quicker to Allison Puny Appetitegate and it seems to be working.

All I get is the following message

This cabinet is now live. If you live nearby then high speed services may be available to you. Visit our line / address lookup to test the speed available at your address.

All I have tried are like that .... no exchange info, only cab info.

EDIT:

Damn! The box was not ticked for "Fibre Services Live" and so the exchange was not showing up.

Apologies

That’s interesting, I’ve just checked both maps and my exchange has just turned green.

It states ‘Fibre Build commenced - completion work is in progress’

That has to be good news right, it was blue before the map update on 22nd Jan.

No dates or seasons however.

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

All I get is the following message

All I have tried are like that .... no exchange info, only cab info.

Did you click the "All" box under "SELECT EXCHANGE STATUS:"? A bubble should popup. Click on that and the information should be there.

fritzelly

Can anyone explain why the retail side of eir maintains the same name as eir wholesale?
Are they still the same company? Would have thought if they are run as a separate business which it appears to be then they should have a seperate name - like wholesale deal with all telecom companies from the infrastructure side of things and the retail side is the same as sky, vodafone etc

Like the ESB did and now the retail side is Electric Ireland

Gboyd wrote: »

That’s interesting, I’ve just checked both maps and my exchange has just turned green.

It states ‘Fibre Build commenced - completion work is in progress’

That has to be good news right, it was blue before the map update on 22nd Jan.

No dates or seasons however.

If you don't mind stating what exchange it is I can see if it's any different on my end.

Ah, clicking the ‘All’ box has indeed worked.

Oddly it changes the icon from green back to blue and states Winter 2018.

Oh well, I’ll add my exchange (it’s Timahoe btw) to the list of Q4 exchanges that’ll never happen ....

Johnboy1951

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Did you click the "All" box under "SELECT EXCHANGE STATUS:"? A bubble should popup. Click on that and the information should be there.

I had edited my post ... just not quick enough

Fibre Services Live needed to be ticked and wasn't

Thanks.

fritzelly wrote: »

Can anyone explain why the retail side of eir maintains the same name as eir wholesale?
Are they still the same company? Would have thought if they are run as a separate business which it appears to be then they should have a seperate name - like wholesale deal with all telecom companies from the infrastructure side of things and the retail side is the same as sky, vodafone etc

Like the ESB did and now the retail side is Electric Ireland

They are the same company as far as I know. Comreg were looking into having them "functionally split" as is the case in the UK.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/comreg-publishes-tender-for-review-of-eir-s-dominant-position-1.2563694

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/comreg-under-fire-for-not-sanctioning-eir-over-practices-1.2651072

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/very-unlikely-eirs-wholesale-and-retail-divisions-will-split-insists-boss-35221844.html

Gboyd wrote: »

Ah, clicking the ‘All’ box has indeed worked.

Oddly it changes the icon from green back to blue and states Winter 2018.

Oh well, I’ll add my exchange (it’s Timahoe btw) to the list of Q4 exchanges that’ll never happen ....

The green commenced dot is referring to TOE1_E01 which could mean that they are in the process of enabling exchange VDSL (FTTC) for the area. The FTTH would be separate crews I believe.