Czechs go to Ireland, be homeless, get housing.

Riskymove · 15-01-2018 02:14PM

zell12 wrote: »

It's not clear from the article, but I assume it is HAP through a voluntary Council sponsored scheme.

maybe, maybe not

It also doesn't say that they get the full €1300 from HAP. The ususal limit is €900 for a couple so they could be paying an amout themselves

The Backwards Man · 15-01-2018 02:14PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Wait wait wait, hold on a second.

Is it just me or are they just legitimately now renting a home, no handouts or any silly stuff like that.

Why are people getting angry about it? They came here, made a big mistake in not planning employment and had to sleep rough for a year, but now they're both doing very well for themselves.

And yet there's people in giving out about them? It's a bloody success story.

They're from Czechia though, a foreign clime. That makes them the enemy. Small 'e'.

AlphabetCards · 15-01-2018 02:15PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Must be a long time since the Czechs were the subject of the ire of the dregs of boards.ie. Diversity in action.

So two Czech people get some criticism, and you think that that is subjecting the whole of the Czech populaation to ire? You ok?

Riskymove · 15-01-2018 02:15PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

And yet there's people in giving out about them? It's a bloody success story.

People seem to be unhappy that they get assistance towards housing rent

bur · 15-01-2018 02:15PM

Our homeless really need to step up their game.

The Backwards Man · 15-01-2018 02:17PM

AlphabetCards wrote: »

So two Czech people get some criticism, and you think that that is subjecting the whole of the Czech populaation to ire? You ok?

I'm perfectly fine, thank you for asking.

15-01-2018 02:17PM

AlphabetCards wrote: »

No it's not. Even after coming over here and serving with HM Forces, I still didn't get those kind of benefits in the UK.

You would not today, the British welfare systme today is complementary and utterly different that it was in the 1980s

Sonics2k · 15-01-2018 02:20PM

Riskymove wrote: »

People seem to be unhappy that they get assistance towards housing rent

I don't see the problem at all.

They're both EU citizens. They both pay tax, they both contribute now to our society.

Is it just me, or does anyone else find that those whining about the EU tend to have the least idea on just how much the EU has done for Ireland since we joined it.

AlphabetCards · 15-01-2018 02:20PM

Indeed it is rather different. I got £35 pound a week when I couldn't find work. That was 2016! I was only out of work for 3 weeks though and they don't grant you anything for your first 14 days of unemployment. I imagine it's rather different in Ireland.

Doltanian · 15-01-2018 02:22PM

This is just one of the many reasons why I want Ireland to leave the EU. The sooner we Irexit the better

jiltloop · 15-01-2018 02:22PM

Looks to me like they made more of an effort to be independent than a lot of home grown lifetime dolers. You should direct your outrage to career dole dependents of which we have plenty born and bred in Ireland.

AlphabetCards · 15-01-2018 02:24PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Is it just me, or does anyone else find that those whining about the EU tend to have the least idea on just how much the EU has done for Ireland since we joined it.

My parents could afford a house on their clerical officer and electricians assistant wages back in the late 70's. Back then, before the freedom of movement, we had a natural control on the provision of labour, and as such we didn't need laws for minimum wage.

Look where the EU has got us? Yeah, economic growth. Remind me who benefits mostly from that?

NollagShona · 15-01-2018 02:25PM

Another thinly veiled anti immigration thread. Boardsbeirt News anyone?

NollagShona · 15-01-2018 02:26PM

AlphabetCards wrote: »

My parents could afford a house on their clerical officer and electricians assistant wages back in the late 70's. Back then, before the freedom of movement, we had a natural control on the provision of labour, and as such we didn't need laws for minimum wage.

Look where the EU has got us? Yeah, economic growth. Remind me who benefits mostly from that?

We joined the EEC in 1973!

zell12 · 15-01-2018 02:26PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Wait wait wait, hold on a second.
Is it just me or are they just legitimately now renting a home, no handouts or any silly stuff like that.
Why are people getting angry about it? They came here, made a big mistake in not planning employment and had to sleep rough for a year, but now they're both doing very well for themselves.
And yet there's people in giving out about them? It's a bloody success story.

They were availing of handouts, other homelessness supports.
The wife could not have been possibly employed in a hotel whilst sleeping outside.
HAP limit for homeless couples in Dublin is 900 + 50% = €1350.

Sonics2k · 15-01-2018 02:27PM

AlphabetCards wrote: »

My parents could afford a house on their clerical officer and electricians assistant wages back in the late 70's. Back then, before the freedom of movement, we had a natural control on the provision of labour, and as such we didn't need laws for minimum wage.

Look where the EU has got us? Yeah, economic growth. Remind me who benefits mostly from that?

Yeah, it's called inflation and it's happened world wide. It's a total pain in the arse and I'm not a fan of it myself, but you can't blame the EU for it.

Here in Cork City you're looking at nearly €1800 a month for a standard 3 bed house, but the wages haven't gone up.

That has -nothing- to do with the EU. Try again.

Sonics2k · 15-01-2018 02:28PM

zell12 wrote: »

They were availing of handouts, other homelessness supports.
The wife could not have been possibly employed in a hotel whilst sleeping outside.
HAP limit for homeless couples in Dublin is 900 + 50% = €1350.

And now they work and pay tax. They will contribute to Irish society.

Again, what's the problem?

zell12 · 15-01-2018 02:28PM

NollagShona wrote: »

We joined the EEC in 1973!

I think he meant the Accession10 of poorer eastern europe countries in 2004.

Doltanian · 15-01-2018 02:30PM

zell12 wrote: »

I think he meant the Accession10 of poorer eastern europe countries in 2004.

Which Irish people voted against but our democratic wishes were not respected in the Lisbon treaty.

bear1 · 15-01-2018 02:31PM

zell12 wrote: »

They were availing of handouts, other homelessness supports.
The wife could not have been possibly employed in a hotel whilst sleeping outside.
HAP limit for homeless couples in Dublin is 900 + 50% = €1350.

Those handouts are legal and they are entitled to them.
They wouldn't be on the limit of the handout so without knowing the actual figure there isn't much you can get angry about?
They are paying taxes now I imagine so they are contributing...

15-01-2018 02:31PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Homeless crisis ☑
Foreigners ☑
Dole bashing ☑

Anyone got Travellers and Abortion for a full house?

So close! It was Muslims you were missing. Muslims.

markodaly · 15-01-2018 02:37PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

And now they work and pay tax. They will contribute to Irish society.

Again, what's the problem?

Well that is subjective as the wages they are on at the moment would indicate that they would not be paying any income tax.

AlphabetCards · 15-01-2018 02:38PM

NollagShona wrote: »

We joined the EEC in 1973!

Very good, now tell me, did we need minimum wage laws before or after we opened the country up to limitless labour potential, thus driving down wages?

zell12 · 15-01-2018 02:38PM

bear1 wrote: »

Those handouts are legal and they are entitled to them.
They wouldn't be on the limit of the handout so without knowing the actual figure there isn't much you can get angry about?
They are paying taxes now I imagine so they are contributing...

We don't know if they are paying taxes, even if the article mentions working "Tomas repairing computers at a city-centre shop, and Lucie in a hotel"
It says rent "is €1,300 a month and they get the HAP" inferring later "One day we will have a home, with no HAP and a good job", makes me think it is almost fully subsidised accommodation.

NollagShona · 15-01-2018 02:39PM

Doltanian wrote: »

Which Irish people voted against but our democratic wishes were not respected in the Lisbon treaty.

People looked for reassurance on abortion, the vote was re ran and passed.

It was ok when we were the poorman of Europe then!

NollagShona · 15-01-2018 02:40PM

zell12 wrote: »

We don't know if they are paying taxes, even if the article mentions working "Tomas repairing computers at a city-centre shop, and Lucie in a hotel"
It says rent "is €1,300 a month and they get the HAP" inferring later "One day we will have a home, with no HAP and a good job", makes me think it is almost fully subsidised accommodation.

Would you like to invest in my “Jump to Conclusions” map?

NollagShona · 15-01-2018 02:43PM

AlphabetCards wrote: »

Very good, now tell me, did we need minimum wage laws before or after we opened the country up to limitless labour potential, thus driving down wages?

Minimum Wage predates the Nice treaty

NollagShona · 15-01-2018 02:44PM

AlphabetCards wrote: »

Indeed it is rather different. I got £35 pound a week when I couldn't find work. That was 2016! I was only out of work for 3 weeks though and they don't grant you anything for your first 14 days of unemployment. I imagine it's rather different in Ireland.

So you were on welfare support in another EU country?

NollagShona · 15-01-2018 02:46PM

Mutant z wrote: »

You wouldnt be allowed to get away with this carry on in Australia thats for sure but Ireland is seen as being a soft touch for this kind of stuff.

Australia- a bastion of human rights - and where we sent our unemployed after the crash

Gatling · 15-01-2018 02:47PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Wait wait wait, hold on a second.

Is it just me or are they just legitimately now renting a home, no handouts or any silly stuff like that.
.

Not true on the no handouts situation ,
Hap is supplementing their tent , likely the majority of their rent

Czechs go to Ireland, be homeless, get housing.

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