Does opposing a United Ireland automatically make you unpatriotic?

baylah17 wrote: »

Insensitive???
You call sneeringly CELEBRATING what is a crime against humanity insensitive.
See that's why we in this state want nothing to do with the six counties
Attitudes like that both by the perpetrator and his apologists
Give me an example of an Irish TD Sneerinhly CELEBRATING the slaughter of innocents
Go on

So it has gone from CELEBRATING to sneeringly CELEBRATING.

Priceless. I'd wager you haven't even seen the tweet. Coz if you have you are running away with yourself.

My heart says yes but my head says no.

And my heart only says yes in a vague misty eyed longing for a past that never existed kind of way.

I've been to Belfast and being brutally honest, I didn't much care for it.Lots of Union Jacks and potato farls.

We drove around the peace walls and the missus (foreign) was gobsmacked. Most people don't realise these things are still standing and that the gates close every night at 8pm because if they don't the two communities might..what? massacre each other?

Heres the thing; It does not feel like Ireland. It is decidedly somewhere else. But it also dosnt feel like the mainland UK. Strange place and not somewhere I'd be in a hurry to take responsibility for.

And what would the trade off be for people in the north? Lose the NHS, have worse cars, more expensive drink and get what in return; free water and Leo's sock collection?

We'd also lose Parcel Motel!

markodaly wrote: »

SF say he did nothing wrong but suspends him for 3 months anyway.
He should have lost his job, no question. How is the north expected to move forward with bigoted idiots like this running the place.

We're did they say he did nothing wrong? You must have read/heard a different interview than I heard with O'Neill

markodaly wrote: »

Oh, good more splitting of hairs for Francie.

Do you have a link to where they said he did nothing wrong or not Mark?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did you find that link Mark?

What am I, your lacky? Do your own work.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

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The past is another country really.

I have to agree with you here.

Events like partition have zero relevance to today.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It carries an 'Aim'.

If you actively oppose an Aim of a country, after the requisite conditions have been met (a majority vote in the north in this case) you are essentially being unpatriotic to that country.
That is your right, just be aware of what it is you are doing, is the point.

I have never heard such nonsense before.

It is the essence of democracy to allow for dissent and protest. Of course someone can actively oppose an aim of a country, in fact, the country can freely decide to change the aim.

blanch152 wrote: »

I have never heard such nonsense before.

It is the essence of democracy to allow for dissent and protest. Of course someone can actively oppose an aim of a country, in fact, the country can freely decide to change the aim.

People who refuse to go to war are frequently called 'unpatriotic'.
Is that not doing what you said? Opposing the 'aim' of a country?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You just accused me of being apologist for the murders of children and old men and didn't back it up in any way.

Pointing out that the BA, you are defending, killed many many children too is also excusing?
Despite your incredible hypocrisy and quite wrong accusation, it is not excusing, it is demonstrating that the BA also terrified many by their actions and for that reason can be called terrorists by those they terrified.

Nobody is defending the killing of many many children by the British Army.

However, there are quite a number of posters on here who routinely and disgustingly defend the terrorist campaign of the IRA.

end of the road wrote: »

northern ireland is part of your country whether you like it or not.

lmao

blanch152 wrote: »

Nobody is defending the killing of many many children by the British Army.

However, there are quite a number of posters on here who routinely and disgustingly defend the terrorist campaign of the IRA.

I think the violence in northern Ireland was wrong and should never have happened. All of it.
But it happened.

We need to ensure it doesn't happen again. The south is safe from descending into violence because the essential problem has been fixed due to another violent campaign.
The north isn't however and I will work to my dying day to ensure that nobody has to resort to violence, either to defend a failed statelet or to try to violently remove the cause of the problem.
That is why the GFA is a process, we must constantly test what the people of NI want, be that to remain in the UK or to have a UI.