Dublin GAA fundraise 6.3% of what Mayo do

blanch152 · 05-01-2018 10:16pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

Yes administrators fundraise. Check out corks accounts. Their county raffle raises about 1.7 million in a year and it has administration fees of a bit over 100k. That's efficiency.

Dublin pay their administrators a multiple of corks and have them providing fcuk all in revenue. Dublins revenue comes from grants in the main & commercial.

And cork and Dublins gaa fraternity would be roughtly equal in fact a lot of dubs on here claim cork have a bigger playing population.

So personally no I'm just not having your argument.

Just brilliant, must go down to the club tomorrow and tell the administrators that they only have to fund-raise, nothing else. Brilliant.

Dots1982 · 05-01-2018 10:31pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

Yes administrators fundraise. Check out corks accounts. Their county raffle raises about 1.7 million in a year and it has administration fees of a bit over 100k. That's efficiency.

Dublin pay their administrators a multiple of corks and have them providing fcuk all in revenue. Dublins revenue comes from grants in the main & commercial.

And cork and Dublins gaa fraternity would be roughtly equal in fact a lot of dubs on here claim cork have a bigger playing population.

So personally no I'm just not having your argument.

Just brilliant, must go down to the club tomorrow and tell the administrators that they only have to fund-raise, nothing else. Brilliant.

Guff

Bonniedog · 05-01-2018 11:25pm

Dots, club I played for and looked after underage teams got 5k for sideline marker. There is weekly lottery and a few bob from local pubs and whatever to keep the ship afloat. Notion that Dublin clubs are awash with money is a myth.

Yes, there are the likes of Ballyboden, but much as I dislike them!, are running huge operations. It is money well spent. As is funding for boxing and soccer. Money that is better spent on having kids playing sport than their frittering away of millions on social disasters for Dublin and other parts of the country. But, that is my view.

Poor_old_gill · 05-01-2018 11:43pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

If it wasn’t for fundraising and volunteerism there would be no GAA.

There’s a reason it’s called Croke Park, cusack stand, Hogan stand. These men built the association. Not Vodafone or AIG.

A last resort? You know nothing about the history of the GAA. Read a book.

I’m confident that I know quite a bit about the GAA and it’s history.

Anyways back to your ‘blog’- I still don’t think you are making a coherent point- so you think Dublin should give up their sponsorship money and only finance their county board through fundraising?

Is thst the point you are trying to make? You want to ban all GAA sponsorship? You haven’t made it clear where this is going- or do you know?

Dots1982 · 06-01-2018 12:20am

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

If it wasn’t for fundraising and volunteerism there would be no GAA.

There’s a reason it’s called Croke Park, cusack stand, Hogan stand. These men built the association. Not Vodafone or AIG.

A last resort? You know nothing about the history of the GAA. Read a book.

I’m confident that I know quite a bit about the GAA and it’s history.

Anyways back to your ‘blog’- I still don’t think you are making a coherent point- so you think Dublin should give up their sponsorship money and only finance their county board through fundraising?

Is thst the point you are trying to make? You want to ban all GAA sponsorship? You haven’t made it clear where this is going- or do you know?

The grants... 5.3 million. Referenced at length in the blog.

Ring any bells?

ArielAtom · 06-01-2018 12:24am

Dots1982 wrote: »

Panhandling to the GAA to the tune of 2.5 million a year

Why so bitter??? Chill, it will make it easier on you. You see a little obsessed with Dublin, it’s all cyclical m, the dominance will stop, the sponsorship may not though. Anyway I fundraise for my club in Dublin as do most other association members not unlike yourself if you do.

Dots1982 · 06-01-2018 12:35am

ArielAtom wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

Panhandling to the GAA to the tune of 2.5 million a year

Why so bitter??? Chill, it will make it easier on you. You see a little obsessed with Dublin, it’s all cyclical m, the dominance will stop, the sponsorship may not though. Anyway I fundraise for my club in Dublin as do most other association members not unlike yourself if you do.

Analysis of annual county accounts > Anecdotes

Poor_old_gill · 06-01-2018 12:47am

Dots1982 wrote: »

The grants... 5.3 million. Referenced at length in the blog.

Ring any bells?

Apologies- I was assuming that you were trying to provide some new insights or information.

But it’s just a rehash of several different journalists articles and a few threads on here.

Yet you are trying to pass it off as independent and original work.

ArielAtom · 06-01-2018 1:03am

Dots1982 wrote: »

Analysis of annual county accounts > Anecdotes

OK, I get it you have issues with Diblun, you are a true Gael blah blah blah, your history says differently as you posted here stating that you were banned from another site for trolling Dublin fans. If that’s what get gets you off fill your bootsðŸ˜‚

glack · 06-01-2018 11:05am

blanch152 wrote: »

Your blog has done excellent research. However, it has missed the point of Dublin finances completely and as a result is glaringly erroneous.

Dublin has a large population and a huge number of adults and children playing the game - 23 Adult Leagues, 40 Adult Cups, 20 Minor Leagues and to give just one example 38 competitions at Under-13 level.

This answers your points in a number of ways -

1. Dublin spend a vast amount of money administering all of these competitions for ordinary adults and children

2. Dublin supporters spend a hell of an amount of time working voluntarily with their local clubs as coaches and administrators, not a lot of time left for fund-raising.

3. The number of clubs in those competitions shows how healthy the club scene is in Dublin. A huge amount of local fundraising for clubs goes on, with Dublin supporters heavily involved in that.

4. Dublin do not spend a huge amount of money on their inter-county teams in comparison to the likes of Mayo in particular but also Kerry. As I have repeatedly said, those counties waste the money they raise on their inter-county teams while Dublin focus their attention on the clubs and the juveniles. A by-product of that is a constant stream of players ready for inter-county football but it is not the primary purpose which is to bring opportunities to play the game to anyone in the county who wants to play.

So thanks again for a blog which just helps prove my point, just a pity your blinkers didn't allow you to see the underlying conclusions.

I agree with the vast majority of what you said here and what has been said on this thread. Lots of stupid Dubs county board bashing going on I’m this thread!! They are clearly doing a good job!!!

But when I’m point 4 I think you’re way off the mark. Yes mayo and Kerry spend more. But I’d love to see a side by side comparison of the spending when travel expenses are removed. Mayo have 11/12 players each year living in Dublin. During the league, that means they have have 2 separate training sessions mid week - one in Mayo and one in Dublin. I would imagine their Dublin training venue is rented. The Dublin based players will need Dublin gym memberships as well as access to facilities in Mayo. They then have travel expenses for traveling home to Mayo every weekend for training/league match. During championship, they travel down midweek also. More expense. These are additional expenses that Dublin simply don’t have! Also, Mayo is a massive county by comparison to Dublin. Mayo is the third largest and Dublin is the third smallest. The distances some players based in Mayo have to travel are much vaster than those in Dublin. And expenses are paid based on distance traveled rather than time taken in the car. From Belmullet to castlebar for example is a 144km round trip! That’s like driving from Dublin City Centre to Mullingar and back again!!!!

nice_guy80 · 06-01-2018 5:41pm

why should a small number of counties benefit hugely from commercial income?
when that same revenue stream isn't available to most counties.

there isn't a business located in Longford, Westmeath, Roscommon, Sligo, Offaly etc capable of the level of sponsorship deals that the likes of Dublin have benefitted from
and the range of them - nutrition, cars, clothing, travel, hotel group

nearly every big business has its HQ in Dublin
and more culchies end up living in Dublin than in their own counties

glack · 06-01-2018 6:17pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

why should a small number of counties benefit hugely from commercial income?
when that same revenue stream isn't available to most counties.

there isn't a business located in Longford, Westmeath, Roscommon, Sligo, Offaly etc capable of the level of sponsorship deals that the likes of Dublin have benefitted from
and the range of them - nutrition, cars, clothing, travel, hotel group

nearly every big business has its HQ in Dublin
and more culchies end up living in Dublin than in their own counties

Yes Dublin benefit more with their population and current dominance. But the likes of Mayo, Kerry etc do ok too! This is a combination of success but also the popularity of the sport in these counties. GAA is by far the most popular sport. Our county players are household names. It’s good business for car dealerships etc to be seen to support our county team/players. This is just not the case in other counties. This is just how the world works. The top teams in every sport attract the most commercial income.

Personally I think Croke Park should be helping the weaker counties more rather than the extra cash being directed Dublin’s way. Dublin needed that money at the start due to the sheer numbers involved and the logistics involved but I really think the policy of directing so much extra cash towards the dominant team is unfair. At this stage, that extra funding should at the very least be reduced or the funding to other, less dominant counties should be increased to help narrow the gap at underage levels in particular.

Barlett · 07-01-2018 7:52pm

glack wrote: »

I agree with the vast majority of what you said here and what has been said on this thread. Lots of stupid Dubs county board bashing going on I’m this thread!! They are clearly doing a good job!!!

But when I’m point 4 I think you’re way off the mark. Yes mayo and Kerry spend more. But I’d love to see a side by side comparison of the spending when travel expenses are removed. Mayo have 11/12 players each year living in Dublin. During the league, that means they have have 2 separate training sessions mid week - one in Mayo and one in Dublin. I would imagine their Dublin training venue is rented. The Dublin based players will need Dublin gym memberships as well as access to facilities in Mayo. They then have travel expenses for traveling home to Mayo every weekend for training/league match. During championship, they travel down midweek also. More expense. These are additional expenses that Dublin simply don’t have! Also, Mayo is a massive county by comparison to Dublin. Mayo is the third largest and Dublin is the third smallest. The distances some players based in Mayo have to travel are much vaster than those in Dublin. And expenses are paid based on distance traveled rather than time taken in the car. From Belmullet to castlebar for example is a 144km round trip! That’s like driving from Dublin City Centre to Mullingar and back again!!!!

Well said.

Dublin GAA fundraise 6.3% of what Mayo do

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