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Non-Nationals attacking Taxi drivers in West Dublin

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  • #92
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    Aegir wrote: »
    why does the publication need to say that it is a gang of Black Lads? Would they also say that a murder was carried out by a white guy, or a ginger?

    For description purposes. It's not a commentary on their background or anything else. There's a neighbourhood watch thread in the Dublin 15 forum and a few were up in arms because a description was used. People on that thread are looking out for each other and once someone described them physically, a few took offense to it. It's not racist to use a description!

    If a copper asked me to describe a thief, I'd go with what stands out to me. Black people are in a minority so that would be a helpful description. You usually assume white until otherwise told. Same way, in my job, the default settings on people are set to ''white'' and ''Irish''.


  • #93
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    For description purposes. It's not a commentary on their background or anything else. There's a neighbourhood watch thread in the Dublin 15 forum and a few were up in arms because a description was used. People on that thread are looking out for each other and once someone described them physically, a few took offense to it. It's not racist to use a description!

    If a copper asked me to describe a thief, I'd go with what stands out to me. Black people are in a minority so that would be a helpful description. You usually assume white until otherwise told. Same way, in my job, the default settings on people are set to ''white'' and ''Irish''.

    so you're trying to say that a white gang of youths causing trouble may inadvertently get arrested for trouble caused by a gang of black youths?

    what if the gang if half white, half black, or is all white with one black member?


  • #94
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    Aegir wrote: »
    so you're trying to say that a white gang of youths causing trouble may inadvertently get arrested for trouble caused by a gang of black youths?

    *sigh* No. Not even slightly trying to say anything of the sort.


  • #95
    Phil.x
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  • #96
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    *sigh* No. Not even slightly trying to say anything of the sort.

    what are you saying then? why describe a gang of youths as Black if it isn't relevant?


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  • #97
    testaccount123
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    Aegir wrote: »
    what are you saying then? why describe a gang of youths as Black if it isn't relevant?

    Because its helpful in identifying them, seems a straightforward point?


  • #98
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    Aegir wrote: »
    what are you saying then? why describe a gang of youths as Black if it isn't relevant?

    Because this;
    testaccount123 wrote: »
    Because its helpful in identifying them, seems a straightforward point?

    It's literally the only point I was making.


  • #99
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    testaccount123 wrote: »
    Because its helpful in identifying them, seems a straightforward point?

    yet gangs don't get described as white, or ginger?

    so supposed we do describe a gang as a gang of black youths, should the Gardai then start stopping and searching every black person on suspicion of being in this gang, or only black people in groups over a certain size?

    Should four black students walking home from Uni get stopped, or even arrested because they fit the description, ie they are black?

    hey, they all look the same after all :rolleyes:


  • #100
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    Aegir wrote: »
    yet gangs don't get described as white, or ginger?

    so supposed we do describe a gang as a gang of black youths, should the Gardai then start stopping and searching every black person on suspicion of being in this gang, or only black people in groups over a certain size?

    Should four black students walking home from Uni get stopped, or even arrested because they fit the description, ie they are black?


    You are spectacularly missing the point. Descriptors are used all the time. If you ever watch police shows, you'll hear them saying things like IC1 Male, IC2 Male etc etc and this corresponds to their physical appearance e.g. white, black, Asian etc. It narrows their search down. That's all. Stop trying to turn it into something it's not.
    Aegir wrote: »
    hey, they all look the same after all rolleyes.png

    You're literally the only person who has said this on thread. Well done you.


  • #101
    testaccount123
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    Aegir wrote: »
    yet gangs don't get described as white, or ginger?

    so supposed we do describe a gang as a gang of black youths, should the Gardai then start stopping and searching every black person on suspicion of being in this gang, or only black people in groups over a certain size?

    Should four black students walking home from Uni get stopped, or even arrested because they fit the description, ie they are black?

    hey, they all look the same after all :rolleyes:

    You are desperately looking for racism where none is to be found. Give it up. This isnt a racial issue.


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  • #102
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    You are spectacularly missing the point. Descriptors are used all the time. If you ever watch police shows, you'll hear them saying things like IC1 Male, IC2 Male etc etc and this corresponds to their physical appearance e.g. white, black, Asian etc. It narrows their search down. That's all. Stop trying to turn it into something it's not.

    when describing an individual and as part of a wider, more detailed description, yes.

    that is very different to just saying that it was a "Gang of Black Lads".


  • #103
    Odhinn
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    testaccount123 wrote: »
    You are desperately looking for racism where none is to be found. Give it up. This isnt a racial issue.

    Tell that to the OP


  • #104
    Wibbs
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    Aegir wrote: »
    yet gangs don't get described as white, or ginger?
    They would in somewhere like Kenya. Why, because Whites are a minority there and it would help narrow down the suspects. If you were mugged by a woman would you leave that part out? Of course not. Though keep banging the nothing the "racist" drum.

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  • #105
    The_Kew_Tour
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    if it was Whites attacking blacks it would be considered racist. why not now?

    White scum are all over this country but this free pass should not be left alone.

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  • #106
    Billy86
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    Has it come out since that they were black and/or non-nationals?

    EDIT: Never mind, missed the bottom line in the OP story. So black kids but no mention of nationality.


  • #107
    weldoninhio
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    Aegir wrote: »
    why does the publication need to say that it is a gang of Black Lads? Would they also say that a murder was carried out by a white guy, or a ginger?

    If your car was trashed by a gang of fifteen youths, is it somehow different if those youths were black, white, blue or purple?

    Because they are still at large. If there was a murderer at large, i'd want a decent description of him/her to make sure I could avoid him/her.


  • #108
    weldoninhio
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    Aegir wrote: »
    so you're trying to say that a white gang of youths causing trouble may inadvertently get arrested for trouble caused by a gang of black youths?

    what if the gang if half white, half black, or is all white with one black member?

    You say, It was a gang of lads, half were white and half were black, or it was a gang of white lads and one black lad.


  • #109
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    They would in somewhere like Kenya. Why, because Whites are a minority there and it would help narrow down the suspects. If you were mugged by a woman would you leave that part out? Of course not. Though keep banging the nothing the "racist" drum.

    when did I bang the racist drum Wibbs?

    Firstly, if i was describing an individual, then i would be more than happy to state their colour, but that isn't what i am saying in the slightest (if you bother to go back and read my posts and the posts that I originally replied to ).

    the reference was made to a gang of black lads, which may or may not be accurate and is in no way helpful in describing that group of people than saying a gang of white guys. If it is in no way useful in describing that gangm then wwhat is the reason for saying it? all that does is give fuel to the sort of people who write the ****e below and the OP, who of course instantly decided that because two guys who were mentioned were black, they were obviously non nationals.
    Phil.x wrote: »
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  • #110
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Because they are still at large. If there was a murderer at large, i'd want a decent description of him/her to make sure I could avoid him/her.

    and "black" is a decent description?

    ****ing hell :rolleyes:


  • #111
    weldoninhio
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    Aegir wrote: »
    and "black" is a decent description?

    ****ing hell :rolleyes:

    Its part of one. I was trying to explain (in as simple terms possible due to your extreme lack of understanding) that its a descriptive word. I'd probably go into what they were wearing etc, if they had any tattoos, accents, anything that I'd think would get them caught. You think that anyone that's attacked is going to be obtuse with their description??

    You also didn't seen to have any problem with me describing the white guys in the two examples you gave as white. Strange that. :rolleyes::rolleyes:


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  • #112
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Its part of one.

    exactly. but it is one that. on its own, is completely useless, gives fuel to racists and is why publications would refrain from saying that a group of Black lads up to no good, was, well, a group of black lads up to no good.
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I was trying to explain (in as simple terms possible due to your extreme lack of understanding) that its a descriptive word. I'd probably go into what they were wearing etc, if they had any tattoos, accents, anything that I'd think would get them caught. You think that anyone that's attacked is going to be obtuse with their description??

    wow, patronise much :rolleyes:

    so you agree that describing a gang of youths simply as a gang of black lads up to no good is completely useless on its own, yes?
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    You also didn't seen to have any problem with me describing the white guys in the two examples you gave as white. Strange that. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    I have no problem with a black person being described as a black person, what's your point :confused:


  • #113
    kravmaga
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    Aegir wrote: »
    when describing an individual and as part of a wider, more detailed description, yes.

    that is very different to just saying that it was a "Gang of Black Lads".

    okay how about a gang of IC3's then, that's the Identity Code used by Police Forces in the UK and Im sure the Garda have a similar id system in code using the tetra radio comms system to describe a gang of black males.

    IC1 to IC6 is the identity code in short used to describe an individuals appearance to a police officer in the UK where I have worked and observed.

    Or would you prefer the use of Black African males.


  • #114
    Dial Hard
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    Aegir wrote: »
    yet gangs don't get described as white, or ginger

    I'd quite happily bet that if a gang comprised entirely of ginger members was terrorising an area then yes, that would most definitely make it into a description of them.


  • #115
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    kravmaga wrote: »
    okay how about a gang of IC3's then, that's the Identity Code used by Police Forces in the UK and Im sure the Garda have a similar id system in code using the tetra radio comms system to describe a gang of black males.

    IC1 to IC6 is the identity code in short used to describe an individuals appearance to a police officer in the UK where I have worked and observed.

    Or would you prefer the use of Black African males.

    why not just a gang?


  • #116
    Wibbs
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    Aegir wrote: »
    the reference was made to a gang of black lads, which may or may not be accurate and is in no way helpful in describing that group of people than saying a gang of white guys. If it is in no way useful in describing that gangm then wwhat is the reason for saying it?
    eh it is useful. In a majority White country it would be stupid not to describe the colour of a group of people if it wasn't White and ditto in a majority Black country.

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  • #117
    Francie Barrett
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    PirateShampoo wrote: »
    Sure I live in a wonderful housing estate in Tallaght where the population demographic swings hugely in favor of a particular group of people.

    Most of them are polite and respectable, but see thier bloody kids, we have had postmen, taxi drivers, delivery drivers all robbed by them. They are scum.
    Seen the exact same thing when I lived in London in the 70's. The parents who came from the Caribbean were the loveliest people you could meet, but so many of their kids became ruthless criminals. The government must really allow the police to clamp down on the emergence of the gang culture, but at the same time these kids need to be given more opportunities.


  • #118
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    eh it is useful. In a majority White country it would be stupid not to describe the colour of a group of people if it wasn't White and ditto in a majority Black country.

    and what do you do with this information, go and arrest every person that fits the description?


  • #119
    Galwayguy35
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    Aegir wrote: »
    why not just a gang?

    Maybe because it's narrows it down a bit and the guards wouldn't be needlessly searching for whites or asians when they don't need to.


  • #120
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    Aegir wrote: »
    and what do you do with this information, go and arrest every person that fits the description?

    Not necessarily. But you know not to arrest anyone that doesn't fit it! See the whole point of it now? If you can't, there's not much left to be said to you.


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  • #121
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Not necessarily. But you know not to arrest anyone that doesn't fit it! See the whole point of it now? If you can't, there's not much left to be said to you.

    oh, that's useful then :rolleyes:

    what it does do though, is to give a nice bit of ammunition to people like the OP, who start having a little rant about non nationals.


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