Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

weldoninhio wrote: »

This guy had been declined asylum in the UK. Legally, under EU law he should not have been here and we would have been well within our rights to deport him back to UK. But Paddy didn't want the paperwork, so he was sent on his way to murder an innocent man.

He was refused asylum in the UK. Whether people think it's right or proper or not, he still had the freedom to travel anywhere within the UK. He travelled over to the North. As pointed out, he was free to do this. There's no passport checks between mainland UK and the North, they're all in one union. It'd be the equivalent of having passport checks to travel from Dublin to cork.

There were passport checks up to the 50s in Belfast harbour. Unionists were in uproar over this as there were no other checks within the Uk. They felt that it was a threat to the british union and made them feel like an outside country. The Aliens Order of 1953 was passed. No more passport checks in Belfast. The UK was for everyone to travel in.

Paddy didn't want to do the paperwork you say. It seems he immediately legged it after being denied asylum in the UK. He then crossed the border (as has been happening for the past 70 years through the Common Travel Area) and authorities here managed to come across him within a day. Considering the tens of thousands who cross that border unchecked, and the numerous directions he could have gone, that's pretty good locating.

testaccount123 wrote: »

We've no facts yet, just speculation, but the Garda have indicated that the Egyptian was denied leave to stay in the UK immediately before arriving here.

The Dublin Agreement provides for the scenario where an asylum seeker fails to gain asylum in a first EU country and expressly prohibits going to another to re-apply.

It appears for whatever reason neither the UK or Irish authorities are enforcing this. The agreement seems to have been abandoned for political reasons.

I agree with the above post somewhat. If I read it correctly. (Sorry if I've misinterpreted ��) yes the Dublin agreement provides for that and you could be right in terms of political reasons.

I'm not so sure it's a lack of enforcement completely. More a difficulty in being able to enforce it due to past history. Since the Free State, in one form or another, there has been unrestricted travel between Ireland and the UK. This is for the benefit of all those on the islands.

Now, you're going to have hiccups such as this one. It doesn't mean not enforcing it it just means it was possible for him to come here. To make it humanly impossible for him to have gotten here, it would politically mean the UK policing their own internal borders (which of course they wouldn't want) and us having a hard border with them, regardless of Brexit.

Going back to the first poster I quoted. The attack is to be condemned. But I fail to see a solution to the matter with regards how it was "paddys fault". The system has been in place for decades. He was in the country (from what we know) practically a day and picked up on.

He was a human with a brain. He obviously copped "I can just travel to the North unchecked" are you saying we tell the UK to start policing their internal borders? Or maybe you have issue with the fact he walked over the border? Something you or I or any tourist, business shipment, employee can do and have been doing for the past number of decades. Do we just cut that off immediately and endure negative results tourist wise, business wise and money wise, not to mention a hardening among certain republican groups seeing British posts again?

All well and good seeing black and white. And you blame paddy as you say. In the real world (and I would probably agree with you with regards how these are processed after being denied asylum) people are notified they have been denied, they are not picked up and thrown on a plane. They are allowed appeal, can easily travel about, and are entitled to their rights. Numerous systems have to be changed if we conclude so easily "well there he is, cuff him"

pilly wrote: »

There's this little thing called work that some people have to travel for. Imagine that?

You were whinging about hateful posts earlier in the thread, now you are posting xeonphobic rants about entire countries being ****holes. A touch hypocritical dont you think?

Do you hate Poland cos it has loads of right-wingers in it? How come people like you dont apply the same standards of judgement to Islamic nations which are basically 100% right-wing?

recedite wrote: »

If your life is a bit $hitty and you believe that by killing a few infidels you can gain entry to paradise as a martyr, does that count as "insanity"? Or is it just Islam.

BTW there will be no need for the guy to plead insanity, the "fact" that he is 17 will mean being treated as a minor by the law. Ever noticed that none of these guys are ever 18 years old? They always seem to be 17 unless they are very obviously over 35.

Japanese don't get killed on home soil by third world migrants. For a reason. They don't have bogus asylum seekers wandering around.

Poland - another country with no third world migrants - have lost close to 10 Poles' lives to third world migration on western-EU soil in the course of two years. But none on Polish soil.

Every source I've read says he's 18.

Icepick wrote: »

Everybody responsible for this should be fired. If not arresting people in breach of law is department policy, the minister should resign. If the garda acted contrary to normal policy, they should be fired and face charges.
Advising criminals to go and waste more public resources must be stopped too.

Fired for what?!? An asylum seeker has so many hours from arrival to present themselves to be processed for asylum.
What are you raving about?

Omackeral wrote: »

Whatever about the rest of your post, I've no issue with anyone coming to our shores to work for a living. Beats a lot of our lazy homegrown idle spongers anyway.

Here, I've no problems with Eastern Europeans at all and they are a hard-working productive bunch in general. My only bugbear is right-wing Polish and Hungarian governments chest-beating about migrants to those countries while also losing their absolute sh*t about the likes of UKIP slamming mass migration to the UK from the accession countries.

Much of the absolute rubbish being spouted by Orban about migrants in Hungary is word for word what Farage is saying about Eastern Europeans here. Namely that they don't integrate, steal all the jobs, send too much money home and have no allegiance to the country. People also slate Eastern Europeans for living ten to a house and hanging around in groups drinking cans in the park and intimidating people.

Whatever about debates on migration, I'll be shagged if I'm going to accept finger-wagging lectures about migration from the governments of Poland and Hungary.

Eliza Tall Stance wrote: »

An 18 year old wouldn't have experienced Egypt as a war zone though.

They had a revolution or two, but never war. And I can tell you, the violence surrounding the revolutions was centred around Tahrir Square and even a few blocks from there, you wouldn't have known there was anything going on.

Cairo is vast. VAST. And the chances that this piece of shít was even in the vicinity of any of that violence is vanishingly small.

Try again.

There's been an ongoing uprising there. The revolutions did involve thousands of people being arrested and tortured.

Now, no-one is saying that this is the case with this guy. They were talking about refugees in general.

baylah17 wrote: »

a few things on this horrific incident that make me wonder if it was a planned terrorist attack.
The guy presented himself the GNIB and applied for asylum before returning to Dundalk on Tuesday, why bother applying for asylum if you are planning a terror attack?
Secondly , though details are still scarce he does not appear to have been shouting Islamist slogans as he attacked, and he he picked an area that was away from the centre of the town where he could have done so much more harm.
Thirdly, the Gardai describe him as having been in a distressed state when arrested.
None of that seems to match up to what we have become used to (sadly) in other terror attacks in the UK and Europe.

One other thing that was overlooked yesterday is that this guy was acting very erratically when arrested : he was apparently observed by Gardai swinging a pole around with nobody even near him.

Rick Shaw wrote: »

Jesus Allah wept.

That's some shyte right there.

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