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Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

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  • #812
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Tell me how wrote: »

    Also, what do you call someone without a moral compass?

    A realist?


  • #813
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Klonker wrote: »
    The "right" are far from delighted what happened, we are the ones who are scared for the people of this country at the risk of being killed in a random attack like what happened today. The reason we complain and comment on it so much is we want a stop to it by stopping large scale immigration. It's the "left" who don't seem to care and are happy for these attacks to become part of our lives like dying in traffic accidents. Just wait until it happens someone you know and come back to tell us how you feel about it then.

    we will feel the same way about it as we do now. the attacker is the one responsible and must face the full force of the law.
    the "right" care just as much as the "left" about all issues, as in they don't care.
    Klonker wrote: »
    And don't use the 'it's usually 2nd generation immigrants that are already living here' as a reason why stopping immigration won't work, just because we have a problem already doesn't mean we shouldnt try to stop it getting multiple times worse.

    no, lets not stop using the fact that it's descendants of immigrants who are carying out the majority of the attacks, because that fact is indisputable. the reason that stopping immigration altogether won't work is it's just not viable.
    Cason Loud Broomstick wrote: »
    It's rather silly to speculate on repeating events after they've occurred.
    It is what it is, the decision was made by the public en masse.

    And what do you think was the single primary causation for brexiteers winning?
    Was it they wanted non-eu bendy fruit or maybe ibs instead of kg as measurement units?

    they won because they were sold a pup by some very good brainwashers who were able to convince them that things would change if they left the EU. they won't, because the british government left or right don't want to pay for anything. they want to get it done on the cheap with no standards enforced.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    the left wing type hate Leo because he actually has the balls to stand up to people and not be destroyed by political correctness.

    just because he stood up to the british government over brexit (for which he got a hell of a lot of support for) it does not mean he "has the balls to stand up to people and not be destroyed by political correctness"
    unless you can give me an example of where he has stood up and not been destroyed by so-called political correctness? because if there is examples, i have missed them.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #814
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Strazdas wrote: »
    What would be the alternative to trying to have an integrated society? Go the Trump-esque route of attempting to ban or reduce immigration and build a wall around the country? The right wing solutions are easily the worst ones - most countries who lurch to the right and go for "security", borders and law and order solutions invariably end up with a deeply divided country and divided communities.

    Brexit Britain seems to have descended into chaos, with a foul, toxic atmosphere and people at each other's throats - and this is supposed to be all in the name of reducing or stopping immigration and bringing back hard borders.

    Well good luck with your fantasy,all I will say is when that integration doesn't work countries and neighborhoods are left with a whole host of problems like as can be seen in Malmö, France etc..Britain has its fair share of EU fanatics who are just as guilty of the same flag waving fanatical behaviour they claim to despise in nationalists,despite what you might think a lot of people voted out because they don't want to be part of a radical superstate utophia the EU is promising if they just hand over more power.


  • #815
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,835 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Irish Praetorian wrote: »
    Yes that seems like a real problem in Japanese society, all the violence and divison between Japanese and...er other Japanese. (Truth be told there are some intriguing trends going on with in japan atm but for the sake of simplicity) All the terror attacks, bombings and civil strife: except of course there is little of that. And dont give me the aging population bit either, we face the same problem plus the difficutly of dealing with an enormous movement of population.

    Japan is one of the most homogeneous countries in the world, with 98% of the population or something being Japanese and no history of immigration. They didn't 'ban' immigration or multiculturalism - they never had it to start with.


  • #816
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Probably for another thread but uncontrolled immigration into Europe will go down in history as the most idiotic decision of our time. I've seen people get shouted down for stating such when its patently obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense as to the reasons why.

    Controlled immigration I have absolutly no problem with.


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  • #817
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,835 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Well good luck with your fantasy,all I will say is when that integration doesn't work countries and neighborhoods are left with a whole host of problems like as can be seen in Malmö, France etc..Britain has its fair share of EU fanatics who are just as guilty of the same flag waving fanatical behaviour they claim to despise in nationalists,despite what you might think a lot of people voted out because they don't want to be part of a radical superstate utophia the EU is promising if they just hand over more power.

    Are you saying you are in favour of Brexit? How would you say that is working out for them? To me it looks like a monumental car crash, coupled with a deeply divided country and people.


  • #818
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Are you saying you are in favour of Brexit? How would you say that is working out for them? To me it looks like a monumental car crash, coupled with a deeply divided country and people.

    Yes I am,I haven't seen the sky falling yet,funny you could apply your last sentence to Europe also


  • #819
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,160 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Another stabbing in Dublin tonight.

    What narrative do we want to go with on this one?


  • #820
    PistolsAtDawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭PistolsAtDawn


    I'm not a history buff, as i'm sure many of you are, but from the little I do know I believe we could all agree that throughout history empires have risen and fallen?

    I get the feeling people seem to forget that we are living both in the present moment and the futures history.

    If you stepped into a time machine and traveled years into the future how do you think we will look back on our present time, similar to how we view the Roman empire maybe? Effective before experiencing decline and ultimately being destroyed by an invading army.

    In my opinion, we are currently experiencing this decline as we move down the slope away from our peak. To think we are opening your doors to everyone and anyone yet it takes months, even years after their arrival on this soil to finally make a decision on their suitability to be in the country, all the while using Irish taxpayers money to feed, house and cloth them is just crazy.


  • #821
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,160 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    ChikiChiki wrote:
    Probably for another thread but uncontrolled immigration into Europe will go down in history as the most idiotic decision of our time. I've seen people get shouted down for stating such when its patently obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense as to the reasons why.

    Nobody made a decision for uncontrolled migration. It is false to say it like it was a policy.

    It was (is) extremely difficult to control but that doesn't mean abandoning it.


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  • #822
    Ronaldinho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Ronaldinho


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Then you didn't read the article you referenced.

    No I did read it.

    I don't get how you conclude from the article that being a so-called virtue signaler is a sufficient condition for someone to have a moral compass as you say.

    From the article:
    I described the way in which many people say or write things to indicate that they are virtuous.

    One of the crucial aspects of virtue signalling is that it does not require actually doing anything virtuous. It does not involve delivering lunches to elderly neighbours or staying together with a spouse for the sake of the children. It takes no effort or sacrifice at all.

    Anyways - you're arguing over semantics when my point was simply that it does exist.


  • #823
    Momustafi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭Momustafi


    I very sad with attude of Irish this poor Muslim only followed the will of Allah.
    Allah guides all Muslim in life its bad that this man cause so much pain but u need understand this is the will of Allah
    There's is reason only Allah knows but will of god and fate is fate that will happen.
    All Muslim are not the same.Allah guides in different way
    La ilaha illa Allah.


  • #824
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Strazdas wrote: »
    What would be the alternative to trying to have an integrated society? Go the Trump-esque route of attempting to ban or reduce immigration and build a wall around the country? The right wing solutions are easily the worst ones - most countries who lurch to the right and go for "security", borders and law and order solutions invariably end up with a deeply divided country and divided communities.

    Poland and Hungary are not divided countries at all. They've gone the best route in securing their borders and not allowing non-european migrants to get a foothold in their countries, they've gone about it the right way .


  • #825
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,160 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Momustafi wrote:
    I very sad with attude of Irish this poor Muslim only followed the will of Allah. Allah guides all Muslim in life its bad that this man cause so much pain but u need understand this is the will of Allah There's is reason only Allah knows but will of god and fate is fate that will happen. All Muslim are not the same.Allah guides in different way La ilaha illa Allah.

    New reg?

    GTF


  • #826
    piplip87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Another stabbing in Dublin tonight.

    What narrative do we want to go with on this one?
    I don't know. Was it a migrant from a religion that has a track record of attacking our way of life ?


  • #827
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Without focusing on this particular case, it's pretty interesting that if 9/11 happened today, certain people would be sitting here saying "But sure, a seaplane crashed a few days and people died in it. How is this any different?"


  • #828
    aidan24326
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Momustafi wrote: »
    I very sad with attude of Irish this poor Muslim only followed the will of Allah.
    Allah guides all Muslim in life its bad that this man cause so much pain but u need understand this is the will of Allah
    There's is reason only Allah knows but will of god and fate is fate that will happen.
    All Muslim are not the same.Allah guides in different way
    La ilaha illa Allah.

    And is it not a bit sad that you registered just to post this nonsense??


  • #829
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Another stabbing in Dublin tonight.

    What narrative do we want to go with on this one?

    It’s a domestic incident


  • #830
    Icepick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭Icepick


    An 18-year-old Egyptian national is stopped by a garda on foot patrol in Dundalk town and asked about his immigration status. On learning the man is not legally resident in Ireland, the garda instructs him to go the Irish Nationalisation and Immigration Service in Dublin to lodge an application for asylum.
    Everybody responsible for this should be fired. If not arresting people in breach of law is department policy, the minister should resign. If the garda acted contrary to normal policy, they should be fired and face charges.
    Advising criminals to go and waste more public resources must be stopped too.


  • #831
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    ^^^^ that is truly gobsmacking


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  • #832
    TheRedPanther
    Site Banned Posts: 5 ✭TheRedPanther


    So, an Egyptian asylum seeker with no legal status in this country murders an innocent Japanese man on Irish soil and the authorities know nothing about how he got here, why he chose Ireland, how he was supporting himself financially; the only information available being that he seemed nice when talking to Gardai recently.

    And we’re supposed to have faith in the Department of Justice?


  • #833
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Seeing as you assumed my position km this, let me clarify it. (At least you'll consider it).
    I'm not suggesting there aren't problems with refugees relocating in to new cultures.
    Ok and fair enough.
    But I don't agree that it can't work. I think as humans, we, and them should want to make it work.
    That's a hope, not a reality.
    As it stands, I do think they need to integrate more but I don't think threatening them with expulsion and assuming they are plotting to kill us will help.
    And what if they don't? What then? Again, you are hoping. And time and time again we have living proof that multiculturalism, where a non native culture reaches a certain population percentage is at best a powder keg, at worst an abject failure and in the case of colonies a disaster for the native cultures. It's actually little to do with Islam, or "race", it happens were there is a culture clash.
    Strazdas wrote: »
    It's the job of any country to encourage the full integration of all communities who live within that society.
    More hope at play.
    The countries that have the least problems with terrorism, criminality, violence etc are the ones who have the best record with integration.
    Show me an example of an non colony where multiculturalism has worked and in the case of colonial cultures ask their native population. Even in such ex colonies like the US, Australia, South America ethnic divisions and strife are in play.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #834
    Mountainsandh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Are you saying you are in favour of Brexit? How would you say that is working out for them? To me it looks like a monumental car crash, coupled with a deeply divided country and people.

    I don't think we can pass judgment on Brexit yet really. It's a radical change, so the chances of it happening smoothly were thin.

    It could remain a car crash, and the country and people may remain divided, or it could evolve into the vision people had for it.

    In historical terms, a year or two of turmoil may well have been worth it if a country succeeds at achieving the change it intended.

    In the same manner, ideological policies of welcoming all immigrants or refugees because we're humans who want to help other humans may feel good in the short term, while having serious consequences on a historical scale.


  • #835
    malinheader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Probably for another thread but uncontrolled immigration into Europe will go down in history as the most idiotic decision of our time. I've seen people get shouted down for stating such when its patently obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense as to the reasons why.

    Controlled immigration I have absolutly no problem with.
    I would also be in favour of controlled immigration once this country has its health service and housing crisis in a fit state to look after its own citizens. Until then shut the door and take care of our own.


  • #836
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    malinheader wrote: »
    I would also be in favour of controlled immigration once this country has its health service and housing crisis in a fit state to look after its own citizens. Until then shut the door and take care of our own.

    Arent a lot of our HSE staff immigrants?


  • #837
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Mountainsandh wrote: »
    I don't think we can pass judgment on Brexit yet really. It's a radical change, so the chances of it happening smoothly were thin.

    It could remain a car crash, and the country and people may remain divided, or it could evolve into the vision people had for it.

    In historical terms, a year or two of turmoil may well have been worth it if a country succeeds at achieving the change it intended.

    In the same manner, ideological policies of welcoming all immigrants or refugees because we're humans who want to help other humans may feel good in the short term, while having serious consequences on a historical scale.

    The best predictor of future performance is past performance.

    The UK government have made bad decision after bad decision in relation to Brexit, have no strategic direction and no clue what they want a successful Brexit to look like.

    I don't think it will end well for them, which is probably bad news for us as well.


  • #838
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭tigger123


    malinheader wrote: »
    I would also be in favour of controlled immigration once this country has its health service and housing crisis in a fit state to look after its own citizens. Until then shut the door and take care of our own.

    If we had zero immigration the health service and housing situation would still be the problem they are right now. It's not immigration that's the issue.


  • #839
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    IRA attacks are starting in Dublin as well. Place is falling apart. https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0102/930590-tallaght-robbery/


  • #840
    SnakePlissken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    Momustafi wrote: »
    this poor Muslim only followed the will of Allah.

    Haven't you a goat you should be raping right about now?

    banned


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  • #841
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    SnakePlissken wrote: »
    Haven't you a goat you should be raping right about now?

    quoting just for posterity.

    EDIT: and here's the thing. I don't like religion and I particularly don't like islam. However whenever these discussions start this is what is always lurking beneath the surface. You'll often proclaim in threads like this we're not racist and you can't be racist against a religion and we're just having a discussion but every once in a while the veil slips.


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