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Caitlyn Jenner

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  • #52
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    I wonder does Caitlin still take out the bins, poke the fire, and have a collection of sticks for stirring paint in the shed.


  • #53
    EPAndlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭EPAndlee


    Society is amazing. This man kills someone in a crash then they give him a "woman of the year award"


  • #54
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    traveller0101 wrote: »
    Honest question, is it transphobia to refer to Bruce/Caitlyn as he/she?

    It's really a matter of opinion .......... some would adamantly say it's definitely "transphobic" whilst others, like myself, decide not to conform to the whims of individuals just because we're expected to do so in today's society.


  • #55
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    EPAndlee wrote: »
    Society is amazing. This man kills someone in a crash then they give him a "woman of the year award"

    Yeah, I was thinking about that when reading this thread ........... what was the legal outcome of that case anyway?


  • #56
    EPAndlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭EPAndlee


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    EPAndlee wrote: »
    Society is amazing. This man kills someone in a crash then they give him a "woman of the year award"

    Yeah, I was thinking about that when reading this thread ........... what was the legal outcome of that case anyway?

    Remember reading he was being sued for 18 million but apparently they settled it the lawsuit


  • #57
    JackTaylorFan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭JackTaylorFan


    Lol... Good old After Hours, can always rely on you guys to prove a point.

    For the record: I think Jenner is a ****ing joke of a person regardless of gender - but this thread was clearly opened to start a trans bashing sesh.

    And kudos to the mods for letting it carry on so long.


  • #58
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    Lol... Good old After Hours, can always rely on you guys to prove a point.

    For the record: I think Jenner is a ****ing joke of a person regardless of gender - but this thread was clearly opened to start a trans bashing sesh.

    And kudos to the mods for letting it carry on so long.

    Says the poster who bumped the thread 3 weeks after the last post!!! Lol


  • #59
    rafatoni
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭rafatoni


    I heard AP has a picture of jenner on his wall ;)


  • #60
    Gwynplaine
    Registered Users Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭Gwynplaine


    If I put a penguin suit on me, I am not a penguin.

    He's a man dressed like a woman. Doesn't matter what he does, he is a man.
    If I make a pair of wings and glue them to my arms, I am not a seagull.


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  • #61
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Donald Trump should slap on a dress and wig and self-identify as a woman.

    Imagine that, Donald Trump, the first female President of the United States of America. :D


  • #62
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    I wonder will be eventually head towards gender-less sports, instead it will be weight / muscle or speed class.

    Even at the same weight, a male would have an advantage over a female in pretty much every physical sport. The way it is now (segregated by biological sex) has allowed women to compete on a level playing field and achieve success in their own right and it should stay that way.

    It is certainly getting attraction in the US in two areas. Sports, as mentioned (Connecticut State Champion girl's track and field now held by a boy) and the aforementioned Texas wrestling contest. Also in the military, where female are suffering injuries in training at higher rates than men. This document from Army Medical Command http://www.cs.amedd.army.mil/FileDownloadpublic.aspx?docid=b42d1acd-0b32-4d26-8e22-4a518be998f7 indicates that one in 367 females are being diagnosed with pelvic stress fractures vs one in 40,000 males. They are substantially more likely to be discharged from the Army for muscular/skeletal disorder than men.p (67% more likely). US Marine Corps has reported similar observations.

    The bottom line is that no matter how justified these policies on sexual identity or equality are on a moral or mental health basis, they cannot overrule the biological basis. Someone born with the muscular-skeletal structure of a female is not the same as one born with a male’s. No amount of hormone therapy or sexual reassignment surgery is going to change that. In most cases, it’s not an issue. In some, however, it very definitely is and willful ignorance in the best possible motivation won’t change that.


  • #63
    lightspeed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭lightspeed


    Are you not PC bro?

    Dont you think she is stunning and brave?


  • #64
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,197 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Donald Trump should slap on a dress and wig and self-identify as a woman.

    Imagine that, Donald Trump, the first female President of the United States of America. :D

    Donald Trump was born a baby and he still acts like one.


  • #65
    AMKC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,526 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Donald Trump was born a baby and he still acts like one.

    I don't think Donald Trump ever really grew up. I still think its a disgrace that Americans actually voted him in as their President.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • #66
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't think any trans person expects people to 'celebrate' it. I think they just want to be accepted and respected as they are for who they are, safe from ridicule and belittlement just like everyone else, and I don't think it's too much to ask.

    You can have your opinions and still be respectful and polite, use a persons preferred pronoun, accept that your experience of dealing with the issue of transgenderism is very likely to be less complete than an actual trans persons is, and live and let live.


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  • #67
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Candie wrote: »
    I don't think any trans person expects people to 'celebrate' it. I think they just want to be accepted and respected as they are for who they are, safe from ridicule and belittlement just like everyone else, and I don't think it's too much to ask.

    You can have your opinions and still be respectful and polite, use a persons preferred pronoun, accept that your experience of dealing with the issue of transgenderism is very likely to be less complete than an actual trans persons is, and live and let live.
    As the mother of a 3rd level student I worry about the increasing insistence that universities and colleges become “safe spaces “ for those who feel marginalized and minorities.
    The truth of the matter is that once they leave school and enter the adult world there are very few “safe spaces”.
    How the hell are they going to cope with the outside world?


  • #68
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    splinter65 wrote: »
    As the mother of a 3rd level student I worry about the increasing insistence that universities and colleges become “safe spaces “ for those who feel marginalized and minorities.
    The truth of the matter is that once they leave school and enter the adult world there are very few “safe spaces”.
    How the hell are they going to cope with the outside world?

    That has nothing to do with being respectful to people and not being dismissive about their lives.

    I think the pendulum will swing the other way in due course, as things are wont to do. There's already something of a backlash against the more extreme censorship, something that will only gain momentum as a reaction to the polarization apparent in society.

    You can oppose safe spaces and the santization of public life and still be polite and kind to all people, including trans people.


  • #69
    Vladimir Poontang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Vladimir Poontang


    AMKC wrote: »
    I don't think Donald Trump ever really grew up. I still think its a disgrace that Americans actually voted him in as their President.

    It was either him or Crooked Hillary.

    A sad state of affairs indeed. The Democrats nominated the one person guaranteed to be more odious than Donald Trump to millions of Americans.

    An inanimate carbon rod would have been a better nominee than Clinton.


  • #70
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    AMKC wrote: »
    I don't think Donald Trump ever really grew up. I still think its a disgrace that Americans actually voted him in as their President.

    He’s a gobsh*te but I just love how wound up people get over the most innocuous things he says and does.
    Every tweet makes so many people cry, rage and act like absolute tools. It’s hilarious.


  • #71
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Candie wrote: »
    That has nothing to do with being respectful to people and not being dismissive about their lives.

    I think the pendulum will swing the other way in due course, as things are wont to do. There's already something of a backlash against the more extreme censorship, something that will only gain momentum as a reaction to the polarization apparent in society.

    You can oppose safe spaces and the santization of public life and still be polite and kind to all people, including trans people.

    I think the vast vast majority of people are neither disrespectful or dismissive of anyone. There will always be arseholes.
    I’m just alarmed at the extent 3rd level institutions are going to to mollycoddle young adults from reality when they will eventually have to deal with the arseholes having built up no resistance.


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