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Caitlyn Jenner

  • 11-11-2017 3:03pm
    #1
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭


    If Caitlyn Jenner insists that she has always felt that she was a woman, should she not return the Decathlon Olympic Gold Medal that Bruce Jenner (now a non existent entity) won in 1976, as the Decathlon is, always has been and will continue to be an exclusively male event ( as the heptathlon is exclusively female).
    And by extension, return all the sponsorship money which, perhaps fraudulently, made the now non existent Bruce Jenner a millionaire ?


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  • #2
    thee glitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    He only declared he was a she afterwards so it shouldn't be a problem.


  • #3
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Its an interesting point I suppose.

    But as Bruce he did win those events in full compliance with the rules. Physically a male regardless of his own personal thoughts, so id say he should keep the records and trophies.


  • #4
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,197 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    If he/she was originally a woman, competing against women, then you might have a point, but there was nothing fraudulent about his/her win in 1976. Men's events are generally 'Open'. Anyone can enter them. Women don't because they generally have no chance.


  • #5
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    No. Deciding to become a woman in your later years doesn't invalidate you of everything you've ever done when you lived as a man.


  • #6
    thee glitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Physically a male 

    A male in a dress is a male in a dress is a male.


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  • #7
    whoopsadoodles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭whoopsadoodles


    If she was a woman and beat all the men then she should get even more medals \o/


  • #8
    Wanderer2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    What makes my skin crawl about this person is the fact that they have not ONCE come out publicly to apologize to the family of the motorist that she killed a few years back. I know it was an accident but that man is dead and his family have nothing but a grave to visit and yet Jenner just uses the whole thing as a narcissistic excuse to flaunt how SHE feels about it and how HER life is so complicated and hard.
    FFS, show a tiny bit of humility and say how sorry you are for their loss instead of turning the whole episode into another whoring reality tv photo opportunity to get more column inches. If that were me, I would be guilty for the rest of my life and if I had her money id be giving the family some compensation. Jenner only cares about herself. Disgusting human being.


  • #9
    Rumpy Pumpy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭Rumpy Pumpy


    Do you need to have a full sex change before you can play sport in codes for that sex? Like I’d love to win an All Ireland medal for Galway, and would stand a fair chance of making the camogie team, but I don’t want to have my balls removed and my cock turned inside out to create a fanny.


  • #10
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    anna080 wrote: »
    No. Deciding to become a woman in your later years doesn't invalidate you of everything you've ever done when you lived as a man.

    But if you are now insisting that only the female part of you be recognized then you can’t really say “... but what about that time I won the Decathlon...” as was the way Bruce accumulated his fortune.


  • #11
    Tenigate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Tenigate


    splinter65 wrote: »
    If Caitlyn Jenner insists that she has always felt that she was a woman,

    Gonna stop ya right there.

    It doesn't matter what Jenner feels. And the surgery and name change don't matter either.

    Jenner is a man and he won his medals fairly.

    I hope that answers your question.


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  • #12
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    She has said in the past that coming out as a conservative GOP supporter in Hollywood was a lot tougher than coming out as trans.


  • #13
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    splinter65 wrote: »
    But if you are now insisting that only the female part of you be recognized then you can’t really say “... but what about that time I won the Decathlon...” as was the way Bruce accumulated his fortune.

    The person still won it. She won it when she was male, she's now a woman. You want her to externalise her achievements and say "remember when that dude won those medals?"..
    The body achieved the medals not the gender


  • #14
    Tenigate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Tenigate


    Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »
    Do you need to have a full sex change before you can play sport in codes for that sex? Like I’d love to win an All Ireland medal for Galway, and would stand a fair chance of making the camogie team, but I don’t want to have my balls removed and my cock turned inside out to create a fanny.

    Not sure about GAA but in other sports athletes are no longer subject to "humiliating gender tests" (which typically meant being watched pee when taking a drugs test.. women who remained standing were disqualified on account of not being women)

    Previously the definition of "woman" in addition to "pees sitting down" was "doesn't have Y chromosomes" . Now because of tireless efforts by scientists (the social science kind) we know that a woman is someone who "identifies as a woman" and to make things fairer to actual women, the fake women should have low testosterone.

    So there you have it. If you want to compete as a girl, change your name to Miss Rumpy Pumpy and take drugs to reduce your testosterone levels.


  • #15
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    What thats so silly..shes still the same person who just identifies by a different name and gender now


  • #16
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    splinter65 wrote: »
    If Caitlyn Jenner insists that she has always felt that she was a woman, should she not return the Decathlon Olympic Gold Medal that Bruce Jenner (now a non existent entity) won in 1976, as the Decathlon is, always has been and will continue to be an exclusively male event ( as the heptathlon is exclusively female).
    And by extension, return all the sponsorship money which, perhaps fraudulently, made the now non existent Bruce Jenner a millionaire ?

    Why does this matter so much to you?


  • #17
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    If my aunt had balls she could play snooker.


  • #18
    server down
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭server down


    anna080 wrote: »
    The person still won it. She won it when she was male, she's now a woman. You want her to externalise her achievements and say "remember when that dude won those medals?"..
    The body achieved the medals not the gender

    This distinction between body and gender is beginning to feel quasi religious.


  • #19
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Tenigate wrote: »
    Gonna stop ya right there.

    It doesn't matter what Jenner feels. And the surgery and name change don't matter either.

    Jenner is a man and he won his medals fairly.

    I hope that answers your question.
    Hmmm.. won his medals fairly at the time, now appears to be asking for a history rewrite.
    Agree though Bruce Jenner is a man and Caitlyn Jenner is a figment if an imagination I suspect is befuddled by the side effects of much steroid abuse back in the day.
    Just my opinion.

    Mod-Banned


  • #20
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-thread reopened. As per the charter any transphobia of any kind is forbidden. I will be keeping a close eye on this thread.


  • #21
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    anna080 wrote: »
    splinter65 wrote: »
    But if you are now insisting that only the female part of you be recognized then you can’t really say “... but what about that time I won the Decathlon...” as was the way Bruce accumulated his fortune.

    The person still won it. She won it when she was male, she's now a woman. You want her to externalise her achievements and say "remember when that dude won those medals?"..
    The body achieved the medals not the gender
    Really?


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  • #22
    Autochange
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Autochange


    I see some people got warnings and bans for various reasons regarding jenners gender.

    The way i see it is if you are born a man you are a man. Surgery, medication and anything else humans come up with cannot change what nature has designed. Jenner may think, sound, act and on some levels look like a woman but by design can never be one.

    This is not transphobia as the mod mentioned previously this is accepting humans cannot change natures design.


  • #23
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Really?

    What?


  • #24
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Autochange wrote: »
    The way i see it is if you are born a man you are a man. Surgery, medication and anything else humans come up with cannot change what nature has designed. Jenner may think, sound, act and on some levels look like a woman but by design can never be one.

    Meanwhile other people disagree with you.


  • #25
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    It's politically incorrect to say this but this kind of thing seems unfair as fuck.

    https://thewest.com.au/sport/weightlifting/transgender-weight-lifter-wins-female-title-bc-5365529663001


  • #26
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Did he/she feel like a woman when he/she was shooting sperm into his wife with his penis??


  • #27
    Tenigate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Tenigate


    Every cell in his body has a Y chromosome, apart from some of his sperm cells


  • #28
    sonofenoch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    anna080 wrote: »
    No. Deciding to become a woman in your later years doesn't invalidate you of everything you've ever done when you lived as a man.

    What about if it was done for the sole purpose of a bloody reality tv show .......which it was, I don't buy all the other bull****


  • #29
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    It's politically incorrect to say this but this kind of thing seems unfair as fuck.

    https://thewest.com.au/sport/weightlifting/transgender-weight-lifter-wins-female-title-bc-5365529663001

    Yeah, i honestly do not know how I feel about that.


  • #30
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    sonofenoch wrote: »
    What about if it was done for the sole purpose of a bloody reality tv show .......which it was, I don't buy all the other bull****

    Yep. Chop of my misters and change genders all for my tv show you guys. Gotta get those ratings!
    :rolleyes:


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  • #31
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Sorry but no. I will not participate in this charade. The Caitlin Jenner saga will be judged by history as a saga of ghoulish fascination into a deeply crass and unpleasant family.


  • #32
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Sorry but no. I will not participate in this charade. The Caitlin Jenner saga will be judged by history as a saga of ghoulish fascination into a deeply crass and unpleasant family.

    And road safety issues.


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Yeah, i honestly do not know how I feel about that.

    Yeah, a weight lifter named Laurel Hubbard wins a female weight lifting title.

    Sounds mundane until you realise this 'Sheila' (as an Aussie might say) was formerly known as Gavin, is built like a fat rugby player and weighs close to 140kgs.

    I know exactly how I feel about that. It's a total sham and shouldn't have been allowed. It's unsporting, plain and simple. You need no other reason to object. A sham of an athlete taking advantage of an absolutely unfair physical edge over the other competitors.

    As for Caitlyn Jenner, that's a whole other train wreck that's hard to look away from, even when it's clear to see it's going to be a bloody big mess.


  • #34
    Hammer89
    Registered Users Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    anna080 wrote: »
    The person still won it. She won it when she was male, she's now a woman. You want her to externalise her achievements and say "remember when that dude won those medals?"..
    The body achieved the medals not the gender

    This.


  • #35
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    I wonder will be eventually head towards gender-less sports, instead it will be weight / muscle or speed class.


  • #36
    Noel82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Noel82


    The body achieved the medals not the gender

    What about in cases like this?

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/27/us/texas-transgender-wrestler-trnd-hold/index.html

    "Transgender boy wins girls' wrestling championship in Texas"

    Do you think it's fair to the girls competing?


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  • #37
    Tenigate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Tenigate


    Hammer89 wrote: »
    This.

    Nope. The man achieved the medals. Because being male was a key criteria. Perhaps the only one. It was not a unisex race and women, whether at an advantage or not, would not have been allowed to compete.

    Well done Mr Jenner!


  • #38
    Tenigate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Tenigate


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    I wonder will be eventually head towards gender-less sports, instead it will be weight / muscle or speed class.

    It was. Women traditionally did not compete, except maybe in chariot racing where their weight would give them an advantage.

    Women categories allow women to compete, despite their physical disadvantages. By compromising womens' athletics, you are barring real women from sports.


  • #39
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    I wonder will be eventually head towards gender-less sports, instead it will be weight / muscle or speed class.

    Even at the same weight, a male would have an advantage over a female in pretty much every physical sport. The way it is now (segregated by biological sex) has allowed women to compete on a level playing field and achieve success in their own right and it should stay that way.


  • #40
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,511 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Jenner has done much for the cause of transgender people....but she hasn't done much for the reputation of women drivers.


  • #41
    Hammer89
    Registered Users Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    Tenigate wrote: »
    Nope. The man achieved the medals. Because being male was a key criteria. Perhaps the only one. It was not a unisex race and women, whether at an advantage or not, would not have been allowed to compete.

    Well done Mr Jenner!

    Sorry Anna he's won me over.


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  • #42
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    splinter65 wrote: »
    If Caitlyn Jenner insists that she has always felt that she was a woman, should she not return the Decathlon Olympic Gold Medal that Bruce Jenner (now a non existent entity) won in 1976, as the Decathlon is, always has been and will continue to be an exclusively male event ( as the heptathlon is exclusively female).
    And by extension, return all the sponsorship money which, perhaps fraudulently, made the now non existent Bruce Jenner a millionaire ?

    No because, despite how he "felt", Bruce Jenner is/was a man.


  • #43
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Autochange wrote: »
    I see some people got warnings and bans for various reasons regarding jenners gender.

    The way i see it is if you are born a man you are a man. Surgery, medication and anything else humans come up with cannot change what nature has designed. Jenner may think, sound, act and on some levels look like a woman but by design can never be one.

    This is not transphobia as the mod mentioned previously this is accepting humans cannot change natures design.

    The most irritating (and ridiculous!!) aspect of the whole "gender fluid" phenomenon is the fact that anybody who doesn't conform to popular opinion, ie. dare to have their own opinion, is regarded as "whateverphobic" ........ if we can't give our honest opinions on a discussion forum then what's the point in having said discussion forum at all???


  • #44
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,758 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Caitlyn Jenner came across very well on the Late Late show, and is doing no one any harm.

    Live and let live, it is easy to judge other people, and people who judge others usually hate it when they get judged.


  • #45
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    I do not think it is at all fair for transwomen to compete in women's sports. The advantage is clear.


  • #46
    traveller0101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭traveller0101


    Honest question, is it transphobia to refer to Bruce/Caitlyn as he/she?


  • #47
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    I've asked before if Jenner's kids say "mom" or "dad". Cos both are equally as strange to me. If it's mom, you're kinda saying it's not your dad, if you say dad you're calling a woman your dad. Have I got that right?


  • #48
    DavidLyons_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭DavidLyons_


    This person is such a vacuous, self-absorbed, attention seeking narcissist that they are impossible to take at face value. The cause of genuine trans people is set back by assh*les like this.


  • #49
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,228 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Anthropomorphic weasel.


  • #50
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    The perversion isn't trans ( I couldn't give a hoot what consenting adults do although I think trans is a bit messed up ) but the demand that we all must dance to this tune and change to suit others for fear of being ostracised or worse banned from AH :pac:
    fcuk them all.


  • #51
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    arayess wrote: »
    The perversion isn't trans ( I couldn't give a hoot what consenting adults do although I think trans is a bit messed up ) but the demand that we all must dance to this tune and change to suit others for fear of being ostracised or worse banned from AH :pac:
    fcuk them all.
    Do what the hell you want with your body and I will treat you with respect and dignity but don't even attempt to tell me to ignore biology. I'm not buying what you're selling. Gender Dysphoria must be difficult to live with (40% suicide rate) but I'm not obliged to celebrate it.


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