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Will or would you donate your water refund?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    We don't get an Xmas bonus :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    If I thought that donating it would make an actual difference then I would absolutely would but I don’t think it would make an ounce of difference so I’ll spend it on my own family.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    snowflaker wrote:
    We don't get an Xmas bonus

    We do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What I give to charity, I give to charity.

    That's not going to change because I get a tax refund or a cheque back from irish water.

    If people want to/can give money to charity, they'll do it regardless and shouldn't be made to feel bad about keeping the money they've been refunded.

    It's not mandatory Whoops, it's a request.
    Bothar, and other charities come up with ways, novel ways to get funding to help.
    This is another one.
    Using it as a way to attack charities is a bit sad.
    Leo has sparked a lot of nastiness from the well off in comparison with his homeless policy defence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    It's based on the statement "what you've never had, you'll never miss"

    A lot of people who paid their water charges are not stuck for it and won't be impacted financially by not having it back. That's the target market.

    Personally I feel the Apollo house fiasco and the "homeless" who live in 4 star hotels while waiting on their forever home To be handed to them on a plate have caused severe damage to the genuine homeless charities and people who live under the radar and need help but are not shiny or nice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    We do.

    So do we.

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭juneg


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Thinly veiled I've got a home

    I don't think making a play on words to imply snarky comments that I certainly did not intend is particularly clever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    anewme wrote: »
    It's based on the statement "what you've never had, you'll never miss"

    A lot of people who paid their water charges are not stuck for it and won't be impacted financially by not having it back. That's the target market.

    Personally I feel the Apollo house fiasco and the "homeless" who live in 4 star hotels while waiting on their forever home To be handed to them on a plate have caused severe damage to the genuine homeless charities and people who live under the radar and need help but are not shiny or nice.

    There are 'shiny nice homeless people'?
    Jesus, it really isn't hard to scratch deep rooted issues in people. Save your money if it is really that much of a problem. Really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭whoopsadoodles


    It's not mandatory Whoops, it's a request.
    Bothar, and other charities come up with ways, novel ways to get funding to help.
    This is another one.
    Using it as a way to attack charities is a bit sad.
    Leo has sparked a lot of nastiness from the well off in comparison with his homeless policy defence.

    I'm well aware of what it is thank you!

    I haven't attacked any charities.

    I donate monthly to CMRF. I've been heavily involved in raising huge amounts for SSF here on boards. I've raised money for Simon, Aware, Feilecain, Pieta House, RNLI, CFI, Laura Lynn, Debra, Irish Cancer Society, GOAL. I've sent countless shoeboxes to developing countries and just this morning I dropped off a load of essentials packs for the homeless and sponsored sleeping bags for rough sleepers.

    I just don't think people should be guilted into donating money because they're getting refunded their IW payments.

    I'm also someone who is happy to pay for good clean water.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,846 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    €50 to SVP and €50 to Limerick Animal Welfare. Balance to myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'm well aware of what it is thank you!

    I haven't attacked any charities.

    I donate monthly to CMRF. I've been heavily involved in raising huge amounts for SSF here on boards. I've raised money for Simon, Aware, Feilecain, Pieta House, RNLI, CFI, Laura Lynn, Debra, Irish Cancer Society, GOAL. I've sent countless shoeboxes to developing countries and just this morning I dropped off a load of essentials packs for the homeless and sponsored sleeping bags for rough sleepers.

    I just don't think people should be guilted into donating money because they're getting refunded their IW payments.

    I'm also someone who is happy to pay for good clean water.

    It's just a suggestion. Nobody is 'guilting' that I can see.
    Remarkable antipathy in this country. It was the same vitriol last year around Apollo. (Not from you, just an observation)

    It is almost like people will go out of their way to guilt people who help here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    There are 'shiny nice homeless people'?
    Jesus, it really isn't hard to scratch deep rooted issues in people. Save your money if it is really that much of a problem. Really.

    I dont need your affirmation, one way or another.

    Erica Fleming is a perfect recent example of a shiny nice "homeless" person. She wanted her forever home in an area that suited her and was prepared to sit it out in a 4 star hotel till she got what she wanted and was prepared to push her Agenda that she was a single mother forced to raise her child in a hotel. the poster couple who got engaged in Apollo House were scammers. These are the shiny media savvy shiny homeless people who need a kick in the hole.

    I'd not contribute the steam off my pee if I thought this type of person was benefitting from one red cent I donated anywhere.

    The reality is the real homeless who are on the streets have issues such as mental illness/ childhood abuse and other addictions that are complex and not easily solved, so they don't suit the poster ideal of "homeless" as it's more complex than that.

    I work very hard for my money and as a working class person who can thankfully give a few bob back , my mantra is save a little, give a little back where it can help. I have 2 standing orders monthly and the bit at a Christmas. If you do not like where I give my money, that's your issue, I could not give a flying fck but I'll keep helping causes I believe in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    anewme wrote: »
    I dont need your affirmation, one way or another.

    Erica Fleming is a perfect recent example of a shiny nice "homeless" person. She wanted her forever home in an area that suited her and was prepared to sit it out in a 4 star hotel till she got what she wanted and was prepared to push her Agenda that she was a single mother forced to raise her child in a hotel. the poster couple who got engaged in Apollo House were scammers. These are the shiny media savvy shiny homeless people who need a kick in the hole.

    I'd not contribute the steam off my pee if I thought this type of person was benefitting from one red cent I donated anywhere.

    The reality is the real homeless who are on the streets have issues such as mental illness/ childhood abuse and other addictions that are complex and not easily solved, so they don't suit the poster ideal of "homeless" as it's more complex than that.

    I work very hard for my money and as a working class person who can thankfully give a few bob back , my mantra is save a little, give a little back where it can help. I have 2 standing orders monthly and the bit at a Christmas. If you do not like where I give my money, that's your issue, I could not vibe a flying fck but I'll keep helping causes I believe in.

    OK. :eek: take it handy on yourself there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,358 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    anewme wrote:
    It's based on the statement "what you've never had, you'll never miss"

    But I did have it and gave it to Irish water so I missed spending it on sparkling Perrier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭SterlingArcher


    I'm well aware of what it is thank you!

    I haven't attacked any charities.

    I donate monthly to CMRF. I've been heavily involved in raising huge amounts for SSF here on boards. I've raised money for Simon, Aware, Feilecain, Pieta House, RNLI, CFI, Laura Lynn, Debra, Irish Cancer Society, GOAL. I've sent countless shoeboxes to developing countries and just this morning I dropped off a load of essentials packs for the homeless and sponsored sleeping bags for rough sleepers.

    I just don't think people should be guilted into donating money because they're getting refunded their IW payments.

    I'm also someone who is happy to pay for good clean water.

    Yeah but did you film all that and yourself giving a homeless man a scone for likes on Facebook.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    touts wrote: »
    Not a chance. Many of the bleeding heart media attention seeking lefties now telling me that the money could be better spent on the homeless were the very people telling me not to pay the charges a few years ago and that water should be paid for out of general taxation. Well had we all paid for water like we should have then there would be more money in general taxation to help the homeless properly. Next time some lad on the street asks me for something I'm giving him a piece of paper with Paul Murphy's phone number.

    Anyway most of the money donated in this scam will just go to pay the wages of the rag tag group of rejects from the media, sports and politics who have reinvented themselves as some of the highest paid charity "administrators" in the world.

    If I could thank this 100 times I would. Very well said


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 167 ✭✭Guy Sajer


    No way would I or ever will give a cent go a "charity". 20 years ago I would be cursing anyone who would say such a thing but real life has thought me that they are a scam.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,344 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    I'd happily donate it if all the people who refused to pay their water charges donated the same. Why should I as a law abiding citizen be made feel guilty about accepting a refund for something that so many refused to pay in the first place?


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    Zaph wrote: »
    I'd happily donate it if all the people who refused to pay their water charges donated the same. Why should I as a law abiding citizen be made feel guilty about accepting a refund for something that so many refused to pay in the first place?

    I know. We have truly gone down the rabbit hole in this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Zaph wrote: »
    I'd happily donate it if all the people who refused to pay their water charges donated the same. Why should I as a law abiding citizen be made feel guilty about accepting a refund for something that so many refused to pay in the first place?

    Who is making you feel guilty? It is a fairly standard charity request. Give or don't.


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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,344 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Who is making you feel guilty? It is a fairly standard charity request. Give or don't.

    I don't have a problem with giving to charity, but this is not a fairly standard charity request, it's opportunism aimed at those who paid their water charges. I don't see a request aimed at those who didn't asking them to donate what they would have paid.


  • Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭foxatron


    These days i have my doubts about charities, sad thing to say i know. I justify my charity giving by playing the lotto. At least that way theres a chance i could get rich, (which will never happen) and some portion of my money will go to a charity. Same as giving to a normal charity really except i wont get rich.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Zaph wrote: »
    I don't have a problem with giving to charity, but this is not a fairly standard charity request, it's opportunism aimed at those who paid their water charges. I don't see a request aimed at those who didn't asking them to donate what they would have paid.

    It's a request to people who paid. :confused:
    The rest is coming from your fertile imagination


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭SterlingArcher


    Zaph wrote: »
    I don't have a problem with giving to charity, but this is not a fairly standard charity request, it's opportunism aimed at those who paid their water charges. I don't see a request aimed at those who didn't asking them to donate what they would have paid.

    Perhaps because of the hmmm how shall we say " interesting" way Iw was set up in the beginning.

    they felt people who paid their water charges would be more likely to hand over money without question.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,344 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    It's a request to people who paid. :confused:
    The rest is coming from your fertile imagination

    I'm imagining that many people refused to pay their water charges?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭Joeseph Balls


    I'd donate it, if I got it in the first place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭Patty O Furniture


    Zaph wrote: »
    I don't have a problem with giving to charity, but this is not a fairly standard charity request, it's opportunism aimed at those who paid their water charges. I don't see a request aimed at those who didn't asking them to donate what they would have paid.

    Also did anyone else get an email from their bank in telling them where to donate their IW money, i know where i'd donate my money, if i actually paid :D

    But if i did, i'd give some to my local animal rescue, After Rehab, charities are tarnashed, also isn't the charities regulator clamping down on too many charities for their 'charitable status'

    Btw: Another reason people actually need it, as ironically Utility Bills went up a % today, which got more media attention ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭Mena Mitty


    Edward M wrote: »
    I see three homeless charities are targeting anyone getting water charge refunds to donate all or some of it.
    Now I paid my charge, I may well donate some to some charity, but given all the talk of high paid execs in these charities, I'd be dubious as to which I'd support.
    And also i dont think it is fair to pick on just this section or put a campaign in place targeting it.

    I found paying the water charges a struggle and sometimes I find it hard to get the money together for the property tax, car insurance/ tax the usual. I already donate to the homeless, every week I put 5 euros worth of food in the homeless trolley. I will not be guilt tripped into donating my refund, it's a Godsend to me this Christmas.


  • Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭rafatoni


    Mena Mitty wrote: »
    I found paying the water charges a struggle and sometimes I find it hard to get the money together for the property tax, car insurance/ tax the usual. I already donate to the homeless, every week I put 5 euros worth of food in the homeless trolley. I will not be guilt tripped into donating my refund, it's a Godsend to me this Christmas.
    Will walter donate you reckon though?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mrcaramelchoc


    Mena Mitty wrote: »
    I found paying the water charges a struggle and sometimes I find it hard to get the money together for the property tax, car insurance/ tax the usual. I already donate to the homeless, every week I put 5 euros worth of food in the homeless trolley. I will not be guilt tripped into donating my refund, it's a Godsend to me this Christmas.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    This.couldn't agree more.let the government get up off their fat wealthy arses and sort it out.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    No I'd rather stockpile my money than help anyone else.

    If homeless people were worth helping they wouldn't be homeless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I don't trust charities anymore.

    Logically there is no reason to view the refund differently than any portion of your wages. Will put it towards motor tax myself


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Serious amounts of money gets pumped into homelessness. I’d rather donate to Debra Ireland or Laura Lynn or Make a Wish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    I'm donating it to the FG parliamentary party just to spite Paul Murphy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,918 ✭✭✭daheff


    Have car insurance due around the same time. Fairly sure it’ll go to pay for the increase on my insurance due to the cartel they’ve let emerge


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Is there not another thread on this already, maybe I'm imagining things?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭Joeseph Balls


    anewme wrote: »
    Is there not another thread on this already, maybe I'm imagining things?

    Could be a case of another thread disappearing down the page over night. There definately was one alright. Still there actually


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    No. Holding off paying tv licence until it comes in, then using it for that.

    Why can't we have mass civil disobedience over how fcuking sh1t RTE is eh?

    That's a boycott I can get behind!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Didn't pay originally. Didn't apply for the bribe/€100 grant either. I actually kept my bills, nearly €400. Used them to light the fire the other day.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭S. Goodspeed


    Total number of homeless people, (ie those sleeping rough on the streets which is always the image attached to articles relating to the “homeless crisis”), in Dublin reached a record high of 184 recently. That is still 184 lives that are essentially in tatters (whether it be through drugs or other) but it seems incredibly low given the non stop publicity the “homeless crisis” is getting.

    I know there are additional people in emergency beds, hostels and apparently 1000s in hotels but in terms of minimising the number of people who literally have no roof over there heads I think we are doing a decent enough job. With people who regularly sleep on the street it’s often more of a mental health and / or drug issue rather than an actual shortage of suitable accommodation. The sad deaths of these people sleeping rough are always used as a stick to beat the government further with but again I think in most cases the deaths are drug related.

    Anyway.... I won’t be giving my water refund to any charity. The SBP had a great article recently breaking down the amount of funding received and money spent by these charities, a whopping 50% was spent on salaries. There is very little transparency beyond that and i’m still not very sure what exactly comes under their definition / remit of homelessness.

    http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/homeless-charities-blasted-unaccountable-taxpayer-13829028

    There is still extreme poverty in the country, it’s not as trendy as the homeless crisis but I would be more inclined to try to solve that first.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    No I will be spending it on myself rather than to admin costs of a charity with the off chance that a small percentage will actually reach the needy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Redlim


    Why should the honest people who paid their water taxes be guilted by charities to hand over a big chunk of hard earned (already taxed) money for a second time while those who "broke the law" escape the guilt trip?

    Those getting refunds should do whatever they like with the money, put it towards bills, treat themselves or their families, grandkids etc. Maybe some would still give some or all of it to charity - but only on their terms and to a charity of their choosing.

    I don't like this tactic coming from the charities. Their intentions here are good obviously and some of the work they do is incredible but this campaign doesn't sit right. I wonder how many of these charity campaigners will donate their refunds in full, if they're even due one in the first place!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    No fecking way.

    It's my money and I'll spend it on my family, not on the feckless. I regard it as my responsibility to provide for them, and don't expect 'free stuff'

    I pay a ridiculous amount of tax as it is.

    Charities in this country need a serious cull - far too many of them, many of which are vanity projects / ego trips / meal tickets for their founders. That's bad enough when donations fund them, but it's beyond a joke that many of them get taxpayer funding. Taxes should fund public services and these shouldn't be outsourced to charities where oversight and accountability are too often lacking. Charitable donations should be voluntary, taxes aren't voluntary.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    I rather give it to something like the volunteer drivers who go delivering blood supplies to hospitals or to the childrens hopital.
    Saddly i dont give money to svp anymore. Ill give a toy gor christmas but not money...im sorry im not paying your electricity bill in jan just evcause you decided to light up your house lile the house from home alone even though you cant afford it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭whoopsadoodles


    Yeah but did you film all that and yourself giving a homeless man a scone for likes on Facebook.

    Of course. Sure otherwise it never happened.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Nope, spending it on Xmas beer which vaguely qualifies as domestic use of a majority - water constituted utility .


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Didn't pay originally. Didn't apply for the bribe/€100 grant either. I actually kept my bills, nearly €400. Used them to light the fire the other day.

    Wow, edgy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,321 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    If we had one homeless charity with one CEO, I'd consider it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭sozbox


    If the charities can’t solve the issue with the €120m or so they already have I doubt my €200 will make a difference.

    Of course if they did solve the problem they would no longer exist and we can’t be having that can we. CEO needs his 90k package.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    My mother nearly crippled herself between paying this and the property tax, and she paid it purely out of fear that if she didn't, she'd receive an even bigger fine or be sent to jail!

    It's simply not the case that most people who paid this were well off enough to do so. People paid it out of fear and because they have a conscience, even if it meant leaving them on the breadline for a week.

    So my mother will be keeping the money, which was her money in the first place, all to herself and maybe treating herself to something small for Christmas. She already donates to Cancer Care and LauraLynn, not that it matters- you don't have to already have donated to charity to feel you're entitled to your own money back and to spend it as you wish.


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