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The Jumpers are Coming 2017/2018

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    #392
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    The machine is back in full working order
    The machine is back in full working order
    The machine is back in full working order
    The machine is back in full working order


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    #393
    danganabu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Samcro is some joke of a price,5/2 best price in November having won 2 mickey mouse races absolute mugs backing the thing.

    I wouldnt back him antepost at that price, but I'm not sure anyone is/has, who are these mugs you speak of? The price is a refelction of their current liabilities on the horse and them not wanting to take any more action on him. I'm on @6/1 and wouldnt swap my docket for anything!! Looks the real deal to me.

    Motivator wrote: »
    It looks like Death Duty fans didn’t learn their lesson last year!

    I don't get the corelation between the two? Same trainer is all they have in common, why not reference all the hotpots that have won at the last few festivals? Sometimes they do justify the hype!


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    #394
    Gregk961
    Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Gregk961


    I don't get the corelation between the two? Same trainer is all they have in common, why not reference all the hotpots that have won at the last few festivals? Sometimes they do justify the hype!

    Was wondering the same. Death Duty had a reputation mostly based on what his trainer said about him. Dosnt appear to be the same case with Samcro


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    #395
    Massimo Tara
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Massimo Tara


    posturingpat wrote: »
    Brain Power will be hard stopped in the Arkle if he proves he can handle Cheltenham, that was a lovely debut over fences and no doubt there is a huge amount of ability in there.

    I'd worry about him going up the hill. Didn't finish well at all in the champion hurdle


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    #396
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Whose the best horse Samcro has actually beaten? there is plenty of people willing to take 5/2 they think its pegasus, its farcical won 2 nothing races I wouldnt even wade in at 6/1 if offered it hasnt faced a proper race horse yet


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    #397
    danganabu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Whose the best horse Samcro has actually beaten? there is plenty of people willing to take 5/2 they think its pegasus, its farcical won 2 nothing races I wouldnt even wade in at 6/1 if offered it hasnt faced a proper race horse yet

    Says it all really :D


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    #398
    longshotvalue
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    ANDREWMUFC wrote: »
    Lumping on american to win the ladbrokes trophy on Saturday. 6/1

    Way to early for the toughest handicap chase of the year at that price. HE cant go of shorter than that.. That said i love the horse and he could be anything.


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    #399
    madmoose
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    The running in the Hennessy be interesting with American, Cogry, Coneygree attempting to make all.


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    #400
    danganabu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    madmoose wrote: »
    The running in the Hennessy be interesting with American, Cogry, Coneygree attempting to make all.

    And you can add A genie in a bottle and Present Man to that riddle as well. Could set it up perfectly for something like Singlefarmpayment who will be handy.


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    #401
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    yanworth, total recall, buveur dair, Douvan...
    which one will let me down?


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    #402
    akelly02
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    RivetingRoger wrote: »
    yanworth, total recall, buveur dair, Douvan...
    which one will let me down?

    Yanworth. Overrated. Plus I wouldn’t back a king horse with stolen money the last month. They are not finishing off their races


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    #403
    posturingpat
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    Whose the best horse Samcro has actually beaten? there is plenty of people willing to take 5/2 they think its pegasus, its farcical won 2 nothing races I wouldnt even wade in at 6/1 if offered it hasnt faced a proper race horse yet

    Johnny ward put up a poll yesterday asking if people had to have a bet on Faugheen or Samcro in the champion hurdle at even money who would you pick and some actually voted samcro. Sick in the head.


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    #404
    WickIow Brave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭WickIow Brave


    I have a question for the Samcro doubters:

    Samcro v Petit Mouchoir in a hurdles match over 2 miles on yielding.
    How would you price it?


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    #405
    posturingpat
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    WickIow Brave wrote: »
    I have a question for the Samcro doubters:

    Samcro v Petit Mouchoir in a hurdles match over 2 miles on yielding.
    How would you price it?

    Samcro looks brilliant but jaysus lads relax the cax is what I'm saying. PM 8/11 Samcro 5/4. Maybe a slightly bigger gap.


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    #406
    WickIow Brave
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    posturingpat wrote: »
    Samcro looks brilliant but jaysus lads relax the cax is what I'm saying. PM 8/11 Samcro 5/4. Maybe a slightly bigger gap.

    Oh ya I completely agree with you. Let the horse do the talking.


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    #407
    HandsomeBob
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    WickIow Brave wrote: »
    Oh ya I completely agree with you. Let the horse do the talking.

    Yeah.

    No problem with people talking a horse up but you'll always get a gob****e making De facto statements about what a horse can and cannot do.


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    #408
    Shemale
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    Much and all as I like Samcro I have been burned too many times by horses that look machines until they set foot on "good" (ahem) at Cheltenham.

    5/2 is too short for me, crazy talk saying Danganabu's 6/1 is too short.


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    #409
    Motivator
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    Gregk961 wrote: »
    Was wondering the same. Death Duty had a reputation mostly based on what his trainer said about him. Dosnt appear to be the same case with Samcro

    Based on what was said about him? Are you serious? The horse won 3 races last season - Grade 3, Grade 2, Grade 1.

    Saying his reputation was based on what his trainer said about him is possibly the stupidest thing I’ve ever read in my life.

    What I meant by people not learning their lesson with Death Duty is look at the amount of people backing Samcro at silly prices. Death Duty bombed last March and burned a lot of fingers. People had him backed four or five months before the Festival. Anyone backing these apparent “good things” Ante Post at single figure prices needs their head checked.


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    #410
    longshotvalue
    Registered Users Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭longshotvalue


    Id hazard a guess that all this antepost betting on the short ones at the festival just doesn't happen at all yet. its all bookie talk no way anyone would tie up money for months on a 5/2 shot this early. More likely in a few multiples all the same.

    5/2 shot now equates to about 1/5 on the day with all the other risks. No matter what turns up against him evens will be available on the day at the absolute lowest and id imagine 5/2 will be easily available

    • He has to actually turn up at the festival
    • Has to run in the exact race
    • has to like good ground
    • race will be run unlike any other race all year.
    • plenty of Mullins hotpots to piss up in races in ireland that haven't been seen yet.
    All that said he looks a machine but he is at best a 8/1 shot with all those factors. All it will take to get 5/2 on the day is for ruby to be riding some mullins unbeaten horse in the race, and that is very likely


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    #411
    diomed
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    Aidan,
    Don't ruin the tone of the thread by talking sense. :pac:


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    #412
    Copper_pipe
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    There is "Rich Ricci Young Horses" stable tour on the Betbright website but you need to give them your email.

    Any heres the pdf that they send on


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    #413
    FatRat
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    Has there been any notable updates on Mcmanus' horse Great Field?


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    #414
    Black_Ninja
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    FatRat wrote: »
    Has there been any notable updates on Mcmanus' horse Great Field?

    Think I heard on the Final Furlong Podcast that he was out for the season


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    #415
    krustydoyle
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    Black_Ninja wrote: »
    Think I heard on the Final Furlong Podcast that he was out for the season

    Was it not a set back and wouldn't be seen till the spring??


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    #416
    deeks
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    x


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    #417
    Black_Ninja
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    krustydoyle wrote: »
    Was it not a set back and wouldn't be seen till the spring??

    Could have been. I just remember hearing set back, thought it was out for the season but could be wrong


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    #418
    Johner
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    I think it was a setback until the spring alright.


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    #419
    Copper_pipe
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    Douvan on the drift for the Tingle Creek. Fox Norton shortening…


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    #420
    hawaii501
    Registered Users Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭hawaii501


    Get on Un De Sceaux to retain the title now so


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    #421
    Imhof Tank
    Registered Users Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    Hoped/ expected Disko to be around 6s for the John Durkan against Sizing John and Djak

    Priced up by Paddy at 11/4


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