Guess what Mad_Lad got this time?

22-11-2017 10:40pm

The Light was horrible today for taking pictures.

But really lovely car to drive, good handling and the extra power is great !

Extra EV range is also nice, 71 Kms driven and 55% battery left, the Leaf would be about 18-20% , it was really horrible driving conditions today and the I3 was not preheated from the mains and has no heat pump because it's the Rex.

Seeing another estimated 130 Kms from the Rex was also pretty cool.

micks_address · 22-11-2017 10:42pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Light was horrible today for taking pictures.

But really lovely car to drive, good handling and the extra power is great !

Extra EV range is also nice, 71 Kms driven and 55% battery left, the Leaf would be about 18-20% , it was really horrible driving conditions today and the I3 was not preheated from the mains and has no heat pump because it's the Rex.

Seeing another estimated 130 Kms from the Rex was also pretty cool.

What's the range when fully charged? May I ask how you did deal wise?

Orebro · 22-11-2017 10:44pm

Congrats and well wear! What a change it will make to be free of the public infrastructure.

22-11-2017 10:50pm

micks_address wrote: »

What's the range when fully charged? May I ask how you did deal wise?

37,700 12K for Leaf - difference in balance on PCP.

basically, 10 K down and 450 PM x 36. , 14,500 GFMV with around 100,000 odd Kms end of lease.

22-11-2017 10:55pm

Orebro wrote: »

Congrats and well wear! What a change it will make to be free of the public infrastructure.

I don't use the public network much and mostly because I avoided very long trips.

I'll still use the network when I arrive at a charger and it's not in use and I'll still use the AC points, with the 11 Kw AC charger I'll get in 2 hrs 22 Kwh which was what the 24 Kwh Leaf could store 100% charge, warmer weather and new battery. 11 Kw is very useful and will free me more from hanging around at DC chargers.

The Key difference here is having the option to use the charging network or not. If it's in use or in use with another car waiting I can simply drive on to the next point if needed.

mickdw · 22-11-2017 10:55pm

That will be 26000 for 3 years driving if zero equity at end.
I guess fuel savings make it feasible.

NIMAN · 22-11-2017 11:01pm

Best of luck Mad_Lad, she's a beauty

22-11-2017 11:06pm

mickdw wrote: »

That will be 26000 for 3 years driving if zero equity at end.
I guess fuel savings make it feasible.

Electricity costs for commute will be very little over 142 Kms, I may have to charge at home for about 1 hr to guarantee a return trip back to work + pre heat. In Summer probably won't need to charge at home.

One thing that bugs me is that there's absolutely no way to set a start and end timer, only charge immediately and set off peak time and it will charge within that time depending on whether the charge point has enough power etc then it may have to charge some on peak electricity.

So basically that means the car will always ensure a 100% charge which I do not want at all especially when I am off shift and just need enough for pottering about. I really wish I had more control over charging.

So for to get back to work I might need 3 Kwh of leccy for example or less but I can't set the car to charge for 1 hr, it's all or nothing.

umbauk · 22-11-2017 11:08pm

Nice! Congrats.

Soarer · 23-11-2017 12:28am

Deleted User wrote: »

37,700 12K for Leaf - difference in balance on PCP.

basically, 10 K down and 450 PM x 36. , 14,500 GFMV with around 100,000 odd Kms end of lease.

But you didn't own the Leaf did you? Did you have to buy it out first from your previous pcp?

Lovely car btw. What options came with it?

Heres Johnny · 23-11-2017 12:30am

Best of luck with it. Nice car. They're pretty eye catching out on the road.

Autochange · 23-11-2017 12:31am

Will it be ok to drive on long motorway journeys?

What Level of NCAP rating does it have?

Cool car btw. Head turner. I think bmw are ahead in ev design and function

macnab · 23-11-2017 1:00am

Best of luck with it Mad_Lad!!

peposhi · 23-11-2017 1:45am

Love the car, Mad_Lad!

We’ll wear!

cros13 · 23-11-2017 3:43am

Autochange wrote: »

Will it be ok to drive on long motorway journeys?

I've done trips up to 4000km in my i3 using rapid charging all the way.

Autochange wrote: »

What Level of NCAP rating does it have?

Four stars. Should have been five but for either of two issues being resolved, pedestrian safety (due to bonnet shape) and there was a paperwork issue with what percentage of cars were expected to ship with the active collision avoidance and pedestrian detection that caused those features not to be tested/counted in the score.

Autochange wrote: »

Cool car btw. Head turner. I think bmw are ahead in ev design and function

Practically the whole team that built the i3 and i8 left BMW for Tesla and various chinese manufacturers. The cause was a lack of support from management and a pause on further EV development.

thierry14 · 23-11-2017 3:54am

mickdw wrote: »

That will be 26000 for 3 years driving if zero equity at end.
I guess fuel savings make it feasible.

I was thinking about this

Was scepitcal as well, but I couldn't think of an ICE that was a year old, similar acceleration and much cheaper

Mad_Lad will save 3-3.5k a year in fuel/motor tax compared to similar performance ICE, so the ICE has to be about 27k

I was thinking 171 Seat Leon FR 240bhp

Cant think of much else 171 cars that can match an I3 in a straight line, a year old, just over 25k

Will need about 200bhp to match electric car acceleration and 40mpg, low tax etc for running costs

23-11-2017 8:19am

Soarer wrote: »

But you didn't own the Leaf did you? Did you have to buy it out first from your previous pcp?

Lovely car btw. What options came with it?

No , to buy the Leaf would have cost me 11,300 which I would have had to wait until the 24th January to pay which is when my lease would have been up and I jumped at the chance when I saw the I3 come up with the spec it has, it's rare to find one with the spec in Ireland, the odd one hear and there , this was a dealer car and they added a lot of spec and it cost a pretty penny new so the savings are huge.

So anyway, that money to pay the Leaf off went on the I3, it was a no brainer. Basically, with 5 K more down than on the new Leaf I have a far nicer car to sit in and drive, the monthly repayments are pretty much the same. Oh and it cost me about 400 to match the balance on the lease + they gave me about 300 towards it.

23-11-2017 8:37am

Autochange wrote: »

Will it be ok to drive on long motorway journeys?

What Level of NCAP rating does it have?

Cool car btw. Head turner. I think bmw are ahead in ev design and function

You can drive the I3 on the motorway as long as you have batter power or petrol or both. Filling up takes seconds with it's 9 litre tank and that will take you 90-120 kms I believe.

When the battery charge depletes to about 75 % you can use what's called the charge hold function which will run the generator and maintain the battery level for when you're driving slower and/or get off the motorway.

On my test drive in July I managed, if I remember correctly , about 450 Kms on battery power alone. I did charge on the way home for 50 odd mins from about 10-95% Which is a lot faster than a 24 Kwh Leaf, particularly to 80%. We were having a meal after the long drive and that's why we waited so long, I was peeping out to see if anyone was waiting as I hadn't got my sign with my number on the dash.

But really the greatest advantage with the Rex is the ability to go anywhere and if you're really worried you can carry a 5 litre can of petrol in the boot or a 20 litre Jerry can.

BMW made a terrific car and I did criticise it in the beginning mainly for not using more batteries etc but thinking about it after they made a really good decision with the rex and having the ability not to have it if you wanted the battery only version. It's got the best EV only range of any plug in available, battery costs were high at the time and then the space to add any more meaningful range wasn't there.

And when I think about it , this is the route Nissan should have taken in the beginning and I guarantee the Leaf would have sold in much larger numbers, a small petrol for backup, they could have even made the leaf a bit larger if needed to compensate for the generator but Nissan were more interested in being the first to release the first affordable EV only car.

The I3 is a small car but perfect for my needs, I can fit my 1 year 11 month old and 3.5 year old in no problem, I can fit a small buggy in and room for some shopping and this time I can convince my Partner to take the I3 if we want to go on a much longer drive which she wouldn't entertain even the thought in the Leaf. If we need more space we can take the Outlander.

goz83 · 23-11-2017 9:39am

Congrats on the new car.

Deleted User wrote: »

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And when I think about it , this is the route Nissan should have taken in the beginning and I guarantee the Leaf would have sold in much larger numbers, a small petrol for backup, they could have even made the leaf a bit larger if needed to compensate for the generator but Nissan were more interested in being the first to release the first affordable EV only car.

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I disagree here. Nissan made the right decision and proved that a BEV (even with limited range) could be a very suitable and attractive option for many. I can honestly say that I wouldn't be driving en EV right now were it not for knowing that the Leaf was on the road....even though it was not my first choice. For those who couldn't afford to get behind the wheel of a Tesla, the Leaf was the default option. I now see at least 2 or 3 of them if I make a trip into the city and back. There are 3 Leafs in the in-laws housing estate within 300M of eachother. I just wish Nissan had made it a better looking car :P

Shefwedfan · 23-11-2017 10:21am

Deleted User wrote: »

That is a fine shed

Where could I get one?

Soarer · 23-11-2017 10:57am

Deleted User wrote: »

No , to buy the Leaf would have cost me 11,300 which I would have had to wait until the 24th January to pay which is when my lease would have been up and I jumped at the chance when I saw the I3 come up with the spec it has, it's rare to find one with the spec in Ireland, the odd one hear and there , this was a dealer car and they added a lot of spec and it cost a pretty penny new so the savings are huge.

So anyway, that money to pay the Leaf off went on the I3, it was a no brainer. Basically, with 5 K more down than on the new Leaf I have a far nicer car to sit in and drive, the monthly repayments are pretty much the same. Oh and it cost me about 400 to match the balance on the lease + they gave me about 300 towards it.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I still don't get it.

How could they take the Leaf in part payment when you didn't own it?

It doesn't matter either way like, as you've obviously worked it all out.

23-11-2017 11:02am

The shed is plastic and tiny I think my another for it in BNQ.

23-11-2017 11:05am

Soarer wrote: »

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I still don't get it.

How could they take the Leaf in part payment when you didn't own it?

It doesn't matter either way like, as you've obviously worked it all out.

Because RCI Banque don’t care what happens as long as they get everything down to the 9 cent. I could burn the car for all they care.

The dealer takes ownership once they pay the balance.

23-11-2017 11:09am

goz83 wrote: »

Congrats on the new car.

I disagree here. Nissan made the right decision and proved that a BEV (even with limited range) could be a very suitable and attractive option for many. I can honestly say that I wouldn't be driving en EV right now were it not for knowing that the Leaf was on the road....even though it was not my first choice. For those who couldn't afford to get behind the wheel of a Tesla, the Leaf was the default option. I now see at least 2 or 3 of them if I make a trip into the city and back. There are 3 Leafs in the in-laws housing estate within 300M of eachother. I just wish Nissan had made it a better looking car :P

The leaf is a great car and ultra reliable but the limited range meant it was very restrictive , yes someone has the choice to buy it or not , my point being that if it had an option of a generator it would appeal to a huge extra number of people particularly one car households.

The leaf couldn’t even meet the 100 mile range Nissan promised.

The generator would also have meant it could compensate for any battery capacity loss.

mickdw · 23-11-2017 11:17am

Soarer wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

No , to buy the Leaf would have cost me 11,300 which I would have had to wait until the 24th January to pay which is when my lease would have been up and I jumped at the chance when I saw the I3 come up with the spec it has, it's rare to find one with the spec in Ireland, the odd one hear and there , this was a dealer car and they added a lot of spec and it cost a pretty penny new so the savings are huge.

So anyway, that money to pay the Leaf off went on the I3, it was a no brainer. Basically, with 5 K more down than on the new Leaf I have a far nicer car to sit in and drive, the monthly repayments are pretty much the same. Oh and it cost me about 400 to match the balance on the lease + they gave me about 300 towards it.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I still don't get it.

How could they take the Leaf in part payment when you didn't own it?

It doesn't matter either way like, as you've obviously worked it all out.

He would have got a settlement figure to buy out the leaf from Nissan. Bmw then make an offer as to what they think it's worth on trade in. If that is more than settlement figure, Madrid gets the difference as deposit into new car. If offer is less than settlement, Madrid has to pay difference either up front or rolled into new finance. Bmw will set up new finance and clear the finance on the leaf.

mickdw · 23-11-2017 11:19am

Soarer wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

No , to buy the Leaf would have cost me 11,300 which I would have had to wait until the 24th January to pay which is when my lease would have been up and I jumped at the chance when I saw the I3 come up with the spec it has, it's rare to find one with the spec in Ireland, the odd one hear and there , this was a dealer car and they added a lot of spec and it cost a pretty penny new so the savings are huge.

So anyway, that money to pay the Leaf off went on the I3, it was a no brainer. Basically, with 5 K more down than on the new Leaf I have a far nicer car to sit in and drive, the monthly repayments are pretty much the same. Oh and it cost me about 400 to match the balance on the lease + they gave me about 300 towards it.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I still don't get it.

How could they take the Leaf in part payment when you didn't own it?

It doesn't matter either way like, as you've obviously worked it all out.

He would have got a settlement figure to buy out the leaf from Nissan. Bmw then make an offer as to what they think it's worth on trade in. If that is more than settlement figure, Madlad gets the difference as deposit into new car. If offer is less than settlement, Madlad has to pay difference either up front or rolled into new finance. Bmw will set up new finance and clear the finance on the leaf.

mickdw · 23-11-2017 11:22am

Soarer wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

No , to buy the Leaf would have cost me 11,300 which I would have had to wait until the 24th January to pay which is when my lease would have been up and I jumped at the chance when I saw the I3 come up with the spec it has, it's rare to find one with the spec in Ireland, the odd one hear and there , this was a dealer car and they added a lot of spec and it cost a pretty penny new so the savings are huge.

So anyway, that money to pay the Leaf off went on the I3, it was a no brainer. Basically, with 5 K more down than on the new Leaf I have a far nicer car to sit in and drive, the monthly repayments are pretty much the same. Oh and it cost me about 400 to match the balance on the lease + they gave me about 300 towards it.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I still don't get it.

How could they take the Leaf in part payment when you didn't own it?

It doesn't matter either way like, as you've obviously worked it all out.

He would have got a settlement figure to buy out the leaf from Nissan. Bmw then make an offer as to what they think it's worth on trade in. If that is more than settlement figure, Madlad gets the difference as deposit into new car. If offer is less than settlement, Madlad has to pay difference either up front or rolled into new finance. Bmw will set up new finance and clear the finance on the leaf.
In effect, even though bmw took in the leaf, it only roughly covered the money owed on it so the new deal for Madlad is similar cost wise to buying without trade in.

23-11-2017 11:34am

Soarer wrote: »

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I still don't get it..............

I hear ya

Deleted User wrote: »

37,700 12K for Leaf - difference in balance on PCP.

basically, 10 K down and 450 PM x 36. , 14,500 GFMV with around 100,000 odd Kms end of lease.

mickdw wrote: »

He would have got a settlement figure to buy out the leaf from Nissan. Bmw then make an offer as to what they think it's worth on trade in. If that is more than settlement figure, Madlad gets the difference as deposit into new car. If offer is less than settlement, Madlad has to pay difference either up front or rolled into new finance. Bmw will set up new finance and clear the finance on the leaf.
In effect, even though bmw took in the leaf, it only roughly covered the money owed on it so the new deal for Madlad is similar cost wise to buying without trade in.

So effectively "gave back" (cut his ties with) the Leaf (as in he doesn't have it anymore)

€10k deposit (paid by Mad_Lad)
€450 PM x 36 for next 3 years ) €16200 (to be paid by Mad_Lad)
€14,500 GFMV
That's €40,700 if he buys it in 3 years time.

The €12k for the Leaf comment I've bolded is a strange way to phrase it IMO.

peposhi · 23-11-2017 1:22pm

Augeo wrote: »

I hear ya

So effectively "gave back" (cut his ties with) the Leaf (as in he doesn't have it anymore)

€10k deposit (paid by Mad_Lad)
€450 PM x 36 for next 3 years ) €16200 (to be paid by Mad_Lad)
€14,500 GFMV
That's €40,700 if he buys it in 3 years time.

The €12k for the Leaf comment I've bolded is a strange way to phrase it IMO.

In other words - Mad_Lad was allowed to do what was right for him, regardless we agree or disagree on cost value

goz83 · 23-11-2017 1:59pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The leaf is a great car and ultra reliable but the limited range meant it was very restrictive , yes someone has the choice to buy it or not , my point being that if it had an option of a generator it would appeal to a huge extra number of people particularly one car households.

The leaf couldn’t even meet the 100 mile range Nissan promised.

The generator would also have meant it could compensate for any battery capacity loss.

I understand your point but I think that while adding a rex to the leaf may have increased sales (it may have also cost sales) it would have had had a bigger cost to the uptake of BEVs in general. The leaf got lots of people into EVs

thierry14 · 23-11-2017 3:17pm

Augeo wrote: »

I hear ya

So effectively "gave back" (cut his ties with) the Leaf (as in he doesn't have it anymore)

€10k deposit (paid by Mad_Lad)
€450 PM x 36 for next 3 years ) €16200 (to be paid by Mad_Lad)
€14,500 GFMV
That's €40,700 if he buys it in 3 years time.

The €12k for the Leaf comment I've bolded is a strange way to phrase it IMO.

Finance details a side

Real question is what will the i3 be worth in 3 years when pcp is up?

18k?

Will have cost 22k for 3 years

Less the 3k a year on fuel Mad_Lad would have spared on similar performance ICE, which would need circa 200bhp to keep up

Compared to a similar EV like say the new Leaf which would be 34k in a pcp deal, after 3 years what will that be worth?

14k?

3 years cost 20k, compared to 22k in faster, lighter, rwd drive superior i3

Mad_Lad has got a pretty good deal imo for a nearly new car

It does show buying a new/nearly new car is a money pit though

23-11-2017 4:34pm

peposhi wrote: »

In other words - Mad_Lad was allowed to do what was right for him, regardless we agree or disagree on cost value

I didn't comment on cost value

Simply tried to provide clarity to a question asked about the Leaf's €12k that was mentioned

23-11-2017 4:40pm

thierry14 wrote: »

Finance details a side

Real question is what will the i3 be worth in 3 years when pcp is up?

18k?

Will have cost 22k for 3 years ...............

It will have cost the €10k deposit and €450 x 36

That's €26.2k ................ there might be €3.5k of equity in it or there might not be.

Counting chickens etc isn't a game I play, personally.

Soarer · 23-11-2017 4:59pm

Augeo wrote: »

It will have cost the €10k deposit and €450 x 36
That's €26.2k ................ there might be €3.5k of equity in it or there might not be.

Counting chickens etc isn't a game I play, personally.

Plus it was good of him to use the price mad_lad paid for a "second hand" i3, and yet he gave the full price of a brand new Leaf.

I'm not comparing the i3 to the new Leaf btw. It could be box a vs box b as far as I'm concerned.
But if comparing numbers, at least be consistent.

ED E · 23-11-2017 5:04pm

Add an l in before the .jpg there if you get a sec, zooming to 20% is a pain in the face.

Lovely looking yoke for a practical family car.

23-11-2017 5:05pm

And now as we have some fast EVs we are treated to gems like "on similar performance ICE, which would need circa 200bhp to keep up" ........... what's the range like on the EV when caned about back roads or on the motorway for a while :pac:

thierry14 · 23-11-2017 5:15pm

Augeo wrote: »

And now as we have some fast EVs we are treated to gems like "on similar performance ICE, which would need circa 200bhp to keep up" ........... what's the range like on the EV when caned about back roads or on the motorway for a while :pac:

i3 has a petrol tank so you can it all you like

Polo Gti with almost 200bhp just about beats its over a quarter mile

In real situations like 80-120kmh the I3 is very quick, would leave my hybrid turbo Fabia Vrs for dead

23-11-2017 5:17pm

thierry14 wrote: »

i3 has a petrol tank so you can it all you like ................

Christ, it must be a fair sized tank

unkel · 23-11-2017 6:08pm

Well wear, Mad_Lad!

I know you'll enjoy it a lot more than the Leaf

billy few mates · 23-11-2017 9:09pm

Congratulations, and Well wear with the new car. I never really considered the BMW as an option until I started reading about it after seeing it discussed on here recently and I must say I think technology wise it's a great option. I like the idea of a small tank of Petrol to ease the range anxiety.
I know it's highly subjective but I just can't get past the looks, I couldn't see myself driving one. I love the i8 but I can't see myself driving one of them either but for other reasons. I love the idea of an eGolf because they look like a Golf, but I don't think they're worth the current price.
I just wish there were more options like a normal looking BMW model somewhere between the i8 and the i3...

Shefwedfan · 23-11-2017 11:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The shed is plastic and tiny I think my another for it in BNQ.

:P

Car is beautiful as well.....best of luck with it and enjoy the drive

One of the few electric cars I haven't got to test drive yet, few days off from work so might head off tomorrow:P

cros13 · 23-11-2017 11:26pm

billy few mates wrote: »

I know it's highly subjective but I just can't get past the looks, I couldn't see myself driving one. I love the i8 but I can't see myself driving one of them either but for other reasons. I love the idea of an eGolf because they look like a Golf, but I don't think they're worth the current price.
I just wish there were more options like a normal looking BMW model somewhere between the i8 and the i3...

Best cure is a test drive. I wasn't a fan of the i3's exterior design until a couple of weeks into ownership. The interior, handling and performance are good enough that they change your perception of the whole car.

billy few mates · 24-11-2017 12:15am

I definitely will try to drive one thanks.

24-11-2017 12:19am

I didn't like the looks in the beginning but have to say it grew on me and now I actually quiet like it. I don't really buy a car based on it's looks alone, the quality is a huge step up from the leaf and it's a very nice place to sit.

We're planning a trip to Galway at the weekend and will take the I3, something I never would have dreamed with the 24 Kwh leaf, can't wait !

24-11-2017 12:22am

cros13 wrote: »

Best cure is a test drive. I wasn't a fan of the i3's exterior design until a couple of weeks into ownership. The interior, handling and performance are good enough that they change your perception of the whole car.

Absolutely, it was the test drive that changed my mind about the I3 entirely !

24-11-2017 12:23am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

:P

Car is beautiful as well.....best of luck with it and enjoy the drive

One of the few electric cars I haven't got to test drive yet, few days off from work so might head off tomorrow:P

Cheers, do , take it for a spin, you'll love it so much you'll want one.

24-11-2017 12:24am

unkel wrote: »

Well wear, Mad_Lad!

I know you'll enjoy it a lot more than the Leaf

Thanks, I enjoy it more already, a lot more !

thelikelylad · 24-11-2017 1:07am

Well wear Mad_Lad.

How much range do you expect/are you seeing?

EPA range for the pure BEV is 190km from what I see. How much on top of that does the rex add?

24-11-2017 1:19am

Won't see 190 Kms this time of year and the Rex has no heat pump though in very cold weather 3 deg C and below a small heat pump isn't going to be very efficient either and pre heating while not plugged in uses restive heating only anyway whether you've a heat pump or not.

I'd say this time of year 160 kms would be max I haven't put it to the test yet. The Rex also comes in at 7% battery and I believe there is more of the battery the rex version can't use than the BEV according to Cros.

On my test drive in July the rex kicked in at about 170 Kms after driving about 110 kph.

Either way I'm not too bothered because I have the Rex for backup should I need it and I can top up on my way to Galway or not, I can use the charge hold function for any motorway use which will preserve the battery charge once it's 75% or lower.

The real beauty is the choice of using the public network or not, if a charger is in use or blocked or 2 people waiting then I couldn't care less.

billy few mates · 24-11-2017 6:21am

As I mentioned, I don't know a huge amount about these cars but am I right in thinking that in the situation you describe where you can't find a place to charge you can simply top up with petrol as often as you need and just continue driving with the little engine powering the car?

Guess what Mad_Lad got this time?

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