Refugee Family Reunification

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 03:05PM

Odhinn wrote: »

But you've joined a grouping that states it wants a catholic ireland.

Nope. The NP will do what the people want. So if the NP got into power they would have to be in the majority so then the majority will decide
But why worry they will never get into power;)

Odhinn · 17-11-2017 03:07PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

11 countries
Wow 1 country out of all the Muslims countries my mistake:rolleyes:

So you think you're justified in your continuing bullshit because 1 state practices instead of all as you implied?

Likewise child marriage is nowhere near as much a phenomena as you let on. Nor is polygamy.

Why do you want a "catholic" ireland?

Odhinn · 17-11-2017 03:08PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Nope. The NP will do what the people want. So if the NP got into power they would have to be in the majority so then the majority will decide
But why worry they will never get into power;)

They won't get into anything unless they register as a party.

According to you we were going to see a change in the next election. Now you're singing a completely different tune - why?

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 03:10PM

I dont get it with you liberals

You have a guy tell you RCSI has problems so hes a liar
A guy tells you theres problems with migrant gangs in his town
If you look at the news crime/rape has gone up in Sweden/Belgium/Germany/France
UK has case after case of Muslim child grooming gangs, acid attacks
But just because none of these things happen in front of you, you prefer to name call people who are genuinely concerned not just for our country but the people already living here

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 03:14PM

Odhinn wrote: »

So you think you're justified in your continuing bullshit because 1 state practices instead of all as you implied?

Likewise child marriage is nowhere near as much a phenomena as you let on. Nor is polygamy.

Why do you want a "catholic" ireland?

Never said I wanted a Catholic Ireland I could not care less
Would be better to have none at all but we are importing people who will die for their religion & their are idiots here who will bend over backwards to welcome them. Wait for the first story of a Muslim refusing to serve alcohol or pork products in a supermarket
If they come & people like yourself tell them to leave their religion at the door then maybe I'll change me mind

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 03:14PM

Odhinn wrote: »

They won't get into anything unless they register as a party.

According to you we were going to see a change in the next election. Now you're singing a completely different tune - why?

Odhinn · 17-11-2017 03:18PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

I dont get it with you liberals

You have a guy tell you RCSI has problems so hes a liar
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

No, we had somebody tell us things about the RCSI with no proof whatsoever, and some evidence exists that their claims are false.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Never said I wanted a Catholic Ireland I could not care less

You joined a political grouping with the goal of a catholic ireland as a stated aim.

According to you we were going to see a change in the next election with your catholic ireland supporting NP. Now you're singing a completely different tune - why?

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 03:26PM

Odhinn wrote: »

No, we had somebody tell us things about the RCSI with no proof whatsoever, and some evidence exists that their claims are false.

You joined a political grouping with the goal of a catholic ireland as a stated aim.

According to you we were going to see a change in the next election with your catholic ireland supporting NP. Now you're singing a completely different tune - why?

I'm not singing a different tune, maybe sarcasm is lost on you
So Muslims are OK but Catholics are not....right?? Just trying to get my head round the liberal way of thinking
But what about the migrant gangs terrorising parts of the country?

Really Interested · 17-11-2017 03:30PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

I'm not singing a different tune, maybe sarcasm is lost on you
So Muslims are OK but Catholics are not....right?? Just trying to get my head round the liberal way of thinking
But what about the migrant gangs terrorising parts of the country?

What about the third way any person forcing their religion on others is not ok full stop.

Most criminal gangs in Ireland are all home grown. Any criminals who have come here as guests legal or illegal should be deported on conviction, which happens every year including EU citizens.

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 03:32PM

Really Interested wrote: »

What about the third way any person forcing their religion on others is not ok full stop.

Most criminal gangs in Ireland are all home grown. Any criminals who have come here as guests legal or illegal should be deported on conviction, which happens every year including EU citizens.

Really how about the Isis guy living here that we cant get rid of?

Really Interested · 17-11-2017 03:36PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

11 countries
Wow 1 country out of all the Muslims countries my mistake:rolleyes:
So what your saying is because of that list there are no child marriages?

OK you have convinced me there is nothing wrong with Islam, no sex grooming gangs, no rape so we will welcome them in
So when we have cases like they do in Rochdale, Rotherham, Sunderland etc I will be expecting people like yourself to go to the victims & apologise for trying to shut people up who were concerned for the safety of our people rather than migrants

What Christian country has life sentence for being gay and was proposing the death sentence, such legislation being promoted by Christian Churches in the USA.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kaoma-uganda-gays-american-ministers-20140323-story.html

"In nations such as Uganda, Russia, Nigeria and Belize, an insidious homophobia engineered in America is taking root. I have seen this hate being spread with my own eyes.

In March 2009, while in Kampala, Uganda, researching reports of U.S. right-wing evangelical involvement in attacks on LGBTQ equality and reproductive justice, I was invited to a three-day conference on homosexuality hosted by the Family Life Network, which is based in New York."

Really Interested · 17-11-2017 03:39PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Really how about the Isis guy living here that we cant get rid of?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/deported-isis-suspect-now-planning-court-battle-in-bid-to-return-to-ireland-35594844.html

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-citizen-deported-united-states-deported-algerian-2116734-May2015/

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1159418/is-terror-suspect-roaring-i-cant-go-back-terrifies-aer-lingus-passengers-on-packed-flight-as-hes-deported-from-ireland/

While many try to put off the faithful day, they usually end up going back,, unlike some places we do have legal principles.

end of the road · 17-11-2017 04:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

When has it worked? Hmm.. Quite a few times actually. We have English people living in Ireland, and French people living in Spain, without causing any problems. But then there is an element of common cultural/moral commonality to ease the transition. We also have the Asian elements who, for the most part, integrate or keep separate but don't cause problems (apart from the crime brought to the US and Oz).

The clear division is when it comes to Religion and how that religion is treated in the host country. Posters here are commenting on the US with child brides, but then, the US has constitutional laws to protect all religions. That made sense at the time of the "founding fathers", but not in the modern world. Alas we all know that once you give a right or protection to a group of people, you can't remove that right. It's undemocratic, dehumanizing, immoral, whatever.

We don't have that system in Europe. Yet. Although it's likely to come into being because of the short-sighted 'left'.

I really don't have an issue with Islam. From travel, I've come to appreciate that you can't really condemn the beliefs of other nations, and their own systems while keeping your own systems that they might find offensive. I've traveled through Muslim countries, and I definitely don't want that kind of culture in Europe. If Muslims want that kind of culture, they can have it in their countries.

We (Europeans) need to recognize that Islam (in it's current form) is not suitable for Europe, and will continue to cause problems here. Why? Because Islam as a religion is entwined with their culture. The Catholic church has been pushed out of most European society into a very background position, but we seem to have forgotten what it was like, when it did have real influence to shape society. Islam still has that influence over its followers.

Multiculturalism does not mean we have to accept every aspect of another culture. It means that we provide a platform for integration with the admiration for cultural differences, but not for cultural differences that cause social unrest. Integration is necessary. Integration worked for centuries when other cultures came to Europe because they wanted a different system to their home country, and while they retained their home culture, they didn't expect their own culture to gain prominent powers.

Europe needs to set serious restrictions on the immigration of Muslims, with a clear instruction given to Muslims so that they know that the host country's culture will remain dominant. They would still gain the same rights and protections that other citizens receive but nothing more than that. IF they can't accept that, then they should be expelled, and sent to a Muslim controlled country... If they can accept it, then they can continue to follow their faith in Europe, although Sharia law would have no power, and the host country's law would be first and foremost. No exceptions.

This attitude of welcoming in Muslims without restrictions is a copy of the US Founding fathers attitude. It was fine for two hundred years ago, but times have changed. It's naive and dangerous to continue this way of thinking in the modern world.

the thing is there is no "attitude of welcoming in Muslims without restrictions"

the restrictions and laws exist in the host country. if the host country refuses to enforce them that's a different story, but the laws are there.

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 04:30PM

Really Interested wrote: »

What Christian country has life sentence for being gay and was proposing the death sentence, such legislation being promoted by Christian Churches in the USA.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kaoma-uganda-gays-american-ministers-20140323-story.html

"In nations such as Uganda, Russia, Nigeria and Belize, an insidious homophobia engineered in America is taking root. I have seen this hate being spread with my own eyes.

In March 2009, while in Kampala, Uganda, researching reports of U.S. right-wing evangelical involvement in attacks on LGBTQ equality and reproductive justice, I was invited to a three-day conference on homosexuality hosted by the Family Life Network, which is based in New York."

Again as with Muslims, what they do in their own countries is up to them. I have an issue with them if they want to bring it to Ireland

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 04:34PM

end of the road wrote: »

the thing is there is no "attitude of welcoming in Muslims without restrictions"

the restrictions and laws exist in the host country. if the host country refuses to enforce them that's a different story, but the laws are there.

But are you willing to just take a chance with our politicians not bending over backwards like labour have in the UK just so they get the Muslim vote?
Do you think its OK that animals are slaughtered in Ireland for Halaal?
Especially when you hear there are already radicalised Muslims living in Ireland, members of the Muslim brotherhood, who have ties to terrorist groups

end of the road · 17-11-2017 04:43PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Do Christians still believe in killing gays?
How about beheadings?
Stoning people to death?

there are some christian extremist groups and even governments around the world who believe in such extremism yes . do those who believe in such acts represent all of those who follow the religion, no . just like some muslims believing in such acts don't represent all of islam.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yes & we would not allow Americans to do it here either, although Americans dont kidnap the kids & marry them before the parents find out so as to change their religion but I'm willing to be proved wrong

How were priests doing it for God? You do realise it is in the Islamic scriptures to take child brides. There are Imams telling their followers its Gods will for them to do it
I guess when you're a liberal its hard to see the difference

where in the Islamic scriptures does it say it's okay to take child brides. maybe it does but even then i'd bet such nonsense is in other religious texts from other religions as well. seeing no difference between 1 group of people believing in child marriage and another group believing in child marriage is nothing to do with being liberal, it's simply to do with the subject matter being something you disagree with full stop, rather then on the basis of the religion those people subscribe to. child marriage is wrong, end of discussion, i don't care whether those taking part in it are muslim or christian. it sounds to me however, that you are more concerned with muslims taking part in such a sickening act then people who follow other religions.

Help!!!! wrote: »

No just what I've read from their holy book & seen news reports on
Maybe stop watching MSM & look for different news sources

i don't believe you have ever read islamic holy books. i definitely don't watch msn.

Help!!!! wrote: »

How so? Most Christians realise that the bible is just a book

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they believe it to be the word of god. they don't abide by the whole lot to the letter, but then again most from all other religions don't with their religious texts either.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Muslims believe that stoning people, killing gays etc are ok because it says so in the Koran

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going on your logic christians believe similar because it says it in the bible. you see how stupid your nonsense sounds? actually, you don't, do you.

Help!!!! wrote: »

what about the migrant gangs terrorising parts of the country?

they should be arrested, charged and locked up. simple.

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 04:56PM

end of the road wrote: »

there are some christian extremist groups and even governments around the world who believe in such extremism yes . do those who believe in such acts represent all of those who follow the religion, no . just like some muslims believing in such acts don't represent all of islam.

where in the Islamic scriptures does it say it's okay to take child brides. maybe it does but even then i'd bet such nonsense is in other religious texts from other religions as well. seeing no difference between 1 group of people believing in child marriage and another group believing in child marriage is nothing to do with being liberal, it's simply to do with the subject matter being something you disagree with full stop, rather then on the basis of the religion those people subscribe to. child marriage is wrong, end of discussion, i don't care whether those taking part in it are muslim or christian. it sounds to me however, that you are more concerned with muslims taking part in such a sickening act then people who follow other religions.

i don't believe you have ever read islamic holy books. i definitely don't watch msn.

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they believe it to be the word of god. they don't abide by the whole lot to the letter, but then again most from all other religions don't with their religious texts either.

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going on your logic christians believe similar because it says it in the bible. you see how stupid your nonsense sounds? actually, you don't, do you.

they should be arrested, charged and locked up. simple.

If there were a load of Christians wanting to come to Ireland with extremist views I would have the same views as I have with Muslims
I have read Islamic scriptures whether you believe me or not I could not care
Have you read any?? If no, then how stupid are you to disagree with someone who tells you what IS in their scripture

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 04:58PM

So the Government is finding houses for the refugees but couldn't find them for the homeless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFBciF57cPI

_Kaiser_ · 17-11-2017 05:03PM

It's really very simple...

- Come here, integrate, contribute positively, and work to support yourself by providing needed skills.. welcome!

- Come here expecting hand-outs, special treatment, or the locals to adapt to your particular beliefs or culture.. go home or find somewhere more to your liking.

We have neither the resources, nor the obligation to indefinitely support thousands of unskilled migrants with incompatible belief systems who represent nothing but a further drain on our already stretched economy/society.

Besides, after the damage done to this country by Catholicism (and I don't just mean pedophile priests, but also the holding back of the country's social development in general.. the effects of which are still with us today), you'd think we'd be a bit more wary about allowing fervent believers in a ideology that has no place in a modern, liberal Western society to establish that same ideology here.

RustyNut · 17-11-2017 05:31PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Who commits the most crime in the USA or UK but with less % of the population?

Criminals?

Help!!!! wrote: »

Never said I wanted a Catholic Ireland I could not care less
Would be better to have none at all but we are importing people who will die for their religion & their are idiots here who will bend over backwards to welcome them. Wait for the first story of a Muslim refusing to serve alcohol or pork products in a supermarket
If they come & people like yourself tell them to leave their religion at the door then maybe I'll change me mind

Or to make a cake for a gay couple.

Oh wait........

Odhinn · 17-11-2017 06:01PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

I'm not singing a different tune, maybe sarcasm is lost on you

You were being sarcastic about the chances of a political grouping you say you're a member of ? Why are you a member if you think they won't amount to anything?

Help!!!! wrote: »

So Muslims are OK but Catholics are not....right??

Not what I stated.

Help!!!! wrote: »

But what about the migrant gangs terrorising parts of the country?

What migrant gangs are you referring to?

Help!!!! wrote: »

If there were a load of Christians wanting to come to Ireland with extremist views I would have the same views as I have with Muslims

But you are a member of a party that wants a "catholic ireland". Please explain.

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 06:25PM

RustyNut wrote: »

Criminals?

Or to make a cake for a gay couple.

Oh wait........

Yes we have our own nutters/criminals/rapist/pedos etc already here I dont understand why you want to import more

17-11-2017 06:25PM

end of the road wrote: »

the thing is there is no "attitude of welcoming in Muslims without restrictions"

Actually, Muslims are treated exactly the same as any other immigrant. Religion is not taken into consideration during the process. Fact is, very few cultural differences are taken into account. To act otherwise is grounds for discrimination.

I'm of a mind that some forms of what is considered 'discrimination' can be positive. Like immigration policies that require applicants to be educated and skilled in an area that the host country is lacking in.

the restrictions and laws exist in the host country. if the host country refuses to enforce them that's a different story, but the laws are there.

Really? Examples, please.

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 06:31PM

Odhinn wrote: »

You were being sarcastic about the chances of a political grouping you say you're a member of ? Why are you a member if you think they won't amount to anything?

No I think the NP party will do very well in the next election. I was being sarcastic in a post when I said we wouldn't

Not what I stated.

What migrant gangs are you referring to?

Well theres Nigerian gangs in Limerick. As the another poster said his town has problems with migrant gangs. 2 young fellas beaten up by a gang of black youths last week

But you are a member of a party that wants a "catholic ireland". Please explain

Well there not going to force people to go to mass now are they? But seriously I have heard JB on it & he said its not important whether its Catholic or not
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Look believe what you want but either ways letting in migrants & their extended family & giving them houses before the homeless ( which a lot are migrants as well ) is the wrong thing to do

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 06:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually, Muslims are treated exactly the same as any other immigrant. Religion is not taken into consideration during the process. Fact is, very few cultural differences are taken into account. To act otherwise is grounds for discrimination.

I'm of a mind that some forms of what is considered 'discrimination' can be positive. Like immigration policies that require applicants to be educated and skilled in an area that the host country is lacking in.

Really? Examples, please.

But they are all high skilled, highly educated, doctors/nurses/engineers etc

PeterParker957 · 17-11-2017 06:37PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Help!!!! wrote: »

I dont get it with you liberals

You have a guy tell you RCSI has problems so hes a liar
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

No, we had somebody tell us things about the RCSI with no proof whatsoever, and some evidence exists that their claims are false.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Never said I wanted a Catholic Ireland I could not care less

You joined a political grouping with the goal of a catholic ireland as a stated aim.

According to you we were going to see a change in the next election with your catholic ireland supporting NP. Now you're singing a completely different tune - why?

They allow "brothers" events and "sisters" events encouraging segregation.

Freshers week was 100% dry for the first time ever..

Lectures cannot be scheduled between 12pm and 2pm on Friday.

All food is halal whether you want it or not.

The Islamic Society removed the GLASS Socs posters and wanted them removed.

It may be the opposite of your view but all the above is true.

I'm not prepared to risk my job providing material to prove something to a randomer on the internet who would just dismiss it anyway.

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 06:43PM

This is whats going on in Sweden, should be accept it in Ireland?

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11352/one-week-in-sweden

PeterParker957 · 17-11-2017 06:46PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

This is whats going on in Sweden, should be accept it in Ireland?

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11352/one-week-in-sweden

Stand back, the deflection crew will be here soon saying the General and his crew were all confirmed.

Help!!!! · 17-11-2017 06:50PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Stand back, the deflection crew will be here soon saying the General and his crew were all confirmed.

Yeah the " other people in other countries have the same problems " crowd:D

end of the road · 17-11-2017 06:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually, Muslims are treated exactly the same as any other immigrant. Religion is not taken into consideration during the process. Fact is, very few cultural differences are taken into account. To act otherwise is grounds for discrimination.

and rightly so. religious discrimination has no place, it gets nobody anywhere.

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm of a mind that some forms of what is considered 'discrimination' can be positive. Like immigration policies that require applicants to be educated and skilled in an area that the host country is lacking in.

discrimination is never positive as it can't be. otherwise it wouldn't be classed as discrimination and protected by law.
ireland already expects those immigrating here to have a skill that the country is lacking in, it's not classed as discrimination because it's not.
there is a difference between immigration, and the various refugee programs.

Diddumz wrote: »

I used to think that pyramid schemes were some low level scams for ignorant/naive people.

Turns out its official policy on national and even international scale, on like, everything!

Politicians should have their necks far closer to the guillotine while the population needs to be far more involved. Regardless of agreements signed between a handful of people in mysterious offices in mysterious places, this kind of thing needs to be put to a referendum (or equivalent).

Even ignoring the poll here, I just cant fathom that the people of Ireland want this to happen.

So why is it happening?

everything is ultimately put to a referendum. at election time. if people don't read the political parties manifesto that is their issue.

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