Are we over the annual poppy thread?

not yet · 09-11-2017 09:32PM

maryishere wrote: »

Dachau was not an extermination camp in 1935. And the Nazi were not their idols.

As they say in all the best Panto's..

Oh yes they were..

Sure isn't the Queen and her Dead husband related to the Kaizer Wilhelm II.

tomwaterford · 09-11-2017 09:32PM

maryishere wrote: »

Dachau was not an extermination camp in 1935. And the Nazi were not their idols.

So this makes visiting it and doing nothing to stop it ok??

Seems the RBL were pally with the Nazis long before sean russel looked for assistance to invade the north??

(Following age old fenian statement of England's difficulties is irelands opportunity)

end of the road · 09-11-2017 09:33PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You're talking to a poster who once called for the riot squad to attack men/women/children if they dates to block the roads around croke park to stop the Garth Brooks concert so yes EOTR has no compassion/sympathy or empathy for anyone outside his/her little bubble.

i have plenty of compassion, sympathy and empathy for people. plenty of my posts to back it up.

maryishere wrote: »

Very true, considering Sean Russell and the Republicans actively invited and tried to get nazi Germany to take over our island. They do not like to be reminded 120,000 decent men from this island, from all backgrounds, fought against the Nazis.

one can't be reminded of something that never happened.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And you have been spouting the same lines for 9 years in these threads

British imperialism blah blah blah shoot to kill blah blah blah butchers apron/ flower blah blah blah

Change the record

they all happened, so one needs to be reminded of it all, to insure we never forget those who gave their lives for our republic.

maryishere wrote: »

Thats the problem with Republicans; even when every other English speaking country in the world could see Hitler was evil and was at war with him, Irish extremist Republicans invite the Nazis to Ireland.

the uk were friendly with hitler. your fo outrage doesn't change that.

A Little Pony · 09-11-2017 09:35PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

indioblack wrote: »

I've asked before if someone had a solution, or a position that would satisfy the critics of the Poppy Appeal - finally someone has suggested banning it, [if I understand the post correctly].
If that happened would people be satisfied? I think not - [there would just be no annual poppy thread].
The poppy debate is simply a device, a useful tool to air issues which some consider need expressing. As the poll demonstrates, others don't agree.
Abandon this thread and other conduits will be found for those wishing to make their points about Britain past and present.
I'd much prefer it if people didn't take such a roundabout route.

It was quite a good discussion about the poppy until somebody wanted to remind us what we 'owe' Britain for America and Russia beating Germany.

The thing about the poppy is that it is all linked. It will always be a controversial symbol here.
Time we developed our own way of remembering.

To just dismiss the role Britain played in WW2 is really historically illiterate. Britain played a crucial role in North Africa, fought the Battle of Britain, won the Battle of Britain, stopped any chance at all of an actual invasion from Nazi Germany which then lead to Britain being a base for the Allied war effort on Nazi Germany.

Britain played an important role during the D Day landings, Britain played a very important role in intelligence, breaking the enigma code, Alan Turing playing a crucial role in intelligence briefing which helped the war effort.

tomwaterford · 09-11-2017 09:35PM

maryishere wrote: »

hostility as well as sympathy? - same as all refugees everywhere, especially as the dark days of the great depression were still raw. But at least Britain did let in many thousands of refugees, not like Ireland.

Were yous not all over Muslim treads condemning taking in refugees??

maryishere · 09-11-2017 09:36PM

end of the road wrote: »

the uk were friendly with hitler.

So friendly they declared war on him and sent a generation of men to fight him.

Not friendly enough to convey condolences to German authorities on his suicide though.;)

not yet · 09-11-2017 09:37PM

Lads, just put (Poppy something something poppy) at the end of each post or the Mods will close this thread..:D

davycc · 09-11-2017 09:37PM

markodaly wrote: »

Link please for this?

Apologies all here half way down they (rbl) formally visit dachu extermination camps in 1935 with Jews and workshy,disabled etc. already detained at Hitler's insane demands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325204/Royal-British-Legions-shameful-Hitler-visit-revealed-75-years.html

citytillidie · 09-11-2017 09:39PM

maryishere wrote: »

hostility as well as sympathy? - same as all refugees everywhere, especially as the dark days of the great depression were still raw. But at least Britain did let in many thousands of refugees, not like Ireland.

Then helped set up a state that is now cleansing the native people that lived there

maryishere · 09-11-2017 09:40PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

So this makes visiting it and doing nothing to stop it ok??

Dachau was not an extermination camp in 1935. Get your facts right.

The RBL were invited to Germany in 1935 to visit war graves, out of respect to dead servicemen.

FrancieBrady · 09-11-2017 09:40PM

maryishere wrote: »

So friendly they declared war on him and sent a generation of men to fight him.

Not friendly enough to convey condolences to German authorities on his though.;)

Finally declared war Mary , after appeasing Germany for years.

You want everyone else to own up for the mistakes they made but not your beloved realm.

Like WW! they made (along with other European countries) a tragic mistake and millions died.

That's war - there is nothing honourable in it - nothing.

not yet · 09-11-2017 09:41PM

maryishere wrote: »

So friendly they declared war on him and sent a generation of men to fight him.

Not friendly enough to convey condolences to German authorities on his though.;)

Please, Please please wake up....

The Empire only declared war on Germany when they had no other choice..

They were willing to let Germany invade 5-6 countries and murder millions once it did not effect them. The day it arrived on their doorstep they had no other option but to go to war, so please don't hold the empire up a a bastion of freedom and courage..

FrancieBrady · 09-11-2017 09:42PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

To just dismiss the role Britain played in WW2 is really historically illiterate. Britain played a crucial role in North Africa, fought the Battle of Britain, won the Battle of Britain, stopped any chance at all of an actual invasion from Nazi Germany which then lead to Britain being a base for the Allied war effort on Nazi Germany.

Britain played an important role during the D Day landings, Britain played a very important role in intelligence, breaking the enigma code, Alan Turing playing a crucial role in intelligence briefing which helped the war effort.

I was joking ALP in the face of the Glorious Britannia Standing Alone stuff.

tomwaterford · 09-11-2017 09:42PM

maryishere wrote: »

Dachau was not an extermination camp in 1935. Get your facts right.

The RBL were invited to Germany in 1935 to visit war graves, out of respect to dead servicemen.

And check out concentration camps for jews it seems

As suspected a very very long time absolutely morally bankrupt organisation

davycc · 09-11-2017 09:43PM

maryishere wrote: »

Dachau was not an extermination camp in 1935. Get your facts right.

The RBL were invited to Germany in 1935 to visit war graves, out of respect to dead servicemen.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325204/Royal-British-Legions-shameful-Hitler-visit-revealed-75-years.html

The facts don't tally with your attempted dilution

A Little Pony · 09-11-2017 09:44PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

To just dismiss the role Britain played in WW2 is really historically illiterate. Britain played a crucial role in North Africa, fought the Battle of Britain, won the Battle of Britain, stopped any chance at all of an actual invasion from Nazi Germany which then lead to Britain being a base for the Allied war effort on Nazi Germany.

Britain played an important role during the D Day landings, Britain played a very important role in intelligence, breaking the enigma code, Alan Turing playing a crucial role in intelligence briefing which helped the war effort.

I was joking ALP in the face of the Glorious Britannia Standing Alone stuff.

At a point in the war that was absolutely true.

indioblack · 09-11-2017 09:44PM

not yet wrote: »

Same could be said about the Empire and the millions it murdered..

Except Britain declared war on Germany before it's regime became responsible for the deaths of tens of millions.
If your statement is to be accepted at face value, Britain had already "murdered" millions.
Therefore, the morally correct position for the Free State was to join the Axis powers.

not yet · 09-11-2017 09:44PM

davycc wrote: »

Apologies all here half way down they (rbl) formally visit dachu extermination camps in 1935 with Jews and workshy,disabled etc. already detained at Hitler's insane demands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325204/Royal-British-Legions-shameful-Hitler-visit-revealed-75-years.html

If Marywashere says it didn't happen that good enough for me, Daily mail my arse..

citytillidie · 09-11-2017 09:45PM

eh those going on about Germany wearing poppies tomorrow night just a little reminder of England visiting Nazi Germany for a football game, anything for the easy life

not yet · 09-11-2017 09:47PM

citytillidie wrote: »

eh those going on about Germany wearing poppies tomorrow night just a little reminder of England visiting Nazi Germany for a football game, anything for the easy life

Can I like this twice..

Timberrrrrrrr · 09-11-2017 09:47PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We had no beef with Germany and as neutrals don't declare war on anybody.

So Britain turned it's cheek on anti semetism but Ireland turned it's cheek to the mass murder if 6 MILLION Jews

But that's ok because Ireland was "neutral"

09-11-2017 09:48PM

maryishere wrote: »

Dunno what you are on about, I gave links for everything.

So you have no clue why Brendan Rodgers is not wearing a poppy currently and you’re standing over your claim that James McClean justified the murder of Britsh soldiers.

Plus you’re querying the status of a German concentration camp because the British are involved. Unf**king believable tbh......

citytillidie · 09-11-2017 09:49PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So Britain turned it's cheek on anti semetism but Ireland turned it's cheek to the mass murder if 6 MILLION Jews

But that's ok because Ireland was "neutral"

and what have the British done to Palestine

FrancieBrady · 09-11-2017 09:49PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

At a point in the war that was absolutely true.

When they retreated?
I suppose you could portray it as standing alone but had Hitler been intent on crossing the channel Britain was a beaten docket. He was the master of Europe until the RUssians and Americans got there with Britain.

And seriously, you have your view and I and others have ours. Not really interested in discussing it on this thread.

davycc · 09-11-2017 09:50PM

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/mobile/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005214

Dachu was a concentration / extermination camp as early as 1933.

Any chance you can can stop making stuff up to deflect from your heroes

maryishere · 09-11-2017 09:51PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

but not your beloved realm.

Its not my beloved realm : I am Irish. No country is perfect.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's war - there is nothing honourable in it - nothing.

Nothing hugely honourable in Irelands stance either. As our ex-minister Shatter admitted: In the 1930s practically all visa requests from German Jews were refused by the Irish authorities.
“This position was maintained from 1939 to 1945 and we should no longer be in denial that, in the context of the Holocaust, Irish neutrality was a principle of moral bankruptcy.
“This moral bankruptcy was compounded by the then Irish government who, after the war, only allowed an indefensibly small number who survived the concentration camps to settle permanently in Ireland . . . and also by the visit of President de Valera to then German ambassador Edouard Hempel in 1945 to express his condolences on the death of Hitler. At a time when neutrality should have ceased to be an issue the government . . . utterly lost its moral compass,” said Mr Shatter.

FrancieBrady · 09-11-2017 09:53PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So Britain turned it's cheek on anti semetism but Ireland turned it's cheek to the mass murder if 6 MILLION Jews

But that's ok because Ireland was "neutral"

We had nothing to offer or gain by entering the war. WW1 was a very potent memory, no fledgling country was gonna get involved in round 2 if they could avoid it. And it was the right decision. Britain, America and Russia couldn't stop the deaths either. They happened anyway.

Appeasement caused the second WW. Who was turning blind eyes there?

maryishere · 09-11-2017 09:55PM

davycc wrote: »

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/mobile/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005214

Dachu was a concentration / extermination camp as early as 1933.

It was not an extermination camp in 1935, which is what you claimed.
Do not forget Kristallnacht did not happen until November 1938.

FrancieBrady · 09-11-2017 09:55PM

maryishere wrote: »

Its not my beloved realm : I am Irish. No country is perfect.

Nothing hugely honourable in Irelands stance either. As our ex-minister Shatter admitted: In the 1930s practically all visa requests from German Jews were refused by the Irish authorities.
“This position was maintained from 1939 to 1945 and we should no longer be in denial that, in the context of the Holocaust, Irish neutrality was a principle of moral bankruptcy.
“This moral bankruptcy was compounded by the then Irish government who, after the war, only allowed an indefensibly small number who survived the concentration camps to settle permanently in Ireland . . . and also by the visit of President de Valera to then German ambassador Edouard Hempel in 1945 to express his condolences on the death of Hitler. At a time when neutrality should have ceased to be an issue the government . . . utterly lost its moral compass,” said Mr Shatter.

Who is in denial?

We didn't take in Jews, indefensible. What is Mrs WInsdor said, 'Would that we had done different'.

Would we do the same today, I don't think so, but it might happen. No country is perfeck after all.

davycc · 09-11-2017 09:56PM

not yet wrote: »

If Marywashere says it didn't happen that good enough for me, Daily mail my arse..

The article I linked to is written by a prominent head honcho of the rbl , still not good enough for her. Lol

Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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