Are we over the annual poppy thread?

evolving_doors

Do we need it anymore, is it time to allow Irish people to wear whatever they want?

edit... poll added

Peatys

Seems not

Jawgap

I'm sure the usual suspects will be along with the usual rants to re-educate you.

I think there might be scope for a bit of an ol' drinking game......each post that mentions 'butcher' 'colonial/colony' 'traitor' 'foreign war' etc take a sip of tea.....

......dunk a digestive when any of the jackpot words are mentioned 'shoneen' 'cringe'

RayM

Jawgap wrote: »

I'm sure the usual suspects will be along with the usual rants to re-educate you.

I think there might be scope for a bit of an ol' drinking game......each post that mentions 'butcher' 'colonial/colony' 'traitor' 'foreign war' etc take a sip of tea.....

......dunk a digestive when any of the jackpot words are mentioned 'shoneen' 'cringe'

Classic West-Brit post, tbh.

Mint Sauce

evolving_doors wrote: »

Do we need it anymore, is it time to allow Irish people to wear whatever they want?

Well since you brought it up...

The_Valeyard

Whats wrong with Poppy? Let her wear what she wants to wear, only fashion.

ToddyDoody

RayM wrote: »

Classic West-Brit post, tbh.

You're not a real west-Brit until you're well versed with the page below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forms_of_address_in_the_United_Kingdom

McMurphy

Jawgap wrote: »

I'm sure the usual suspects will be along with the usual rants to re-educate you.

I think there might be scope for a bit of an ol' drinking game......each post that mentions 'butcher' 'colonial/colony' 'traitor' 'foreign war' etc take a sip of tea.....

......dunk a digestive when any of the jackpot words are mentioned 'shoneen' 'cringe'

It's just ironic to read the same old same old anti anything Irish republican related, spout on about "murderers" this and "killers" that, and see them circle jerk English related conflicts (Falklands war, ww1 or 2) and these poppy related threads like the English war machines shyte don't stinkof shyte.

Try not to involve myself in either or btw, but I can spot the hypocritical crap a mile off.

Galwayguy35

Hopefully November will pass this year without the Brit media tearing into James McClean just because he doesn't want to wear something they think he should because he plays for an English club.

Jawgap

Jawgap wrote: »

I'm sure the usual suspects will be along with the usual rants to re-educate you.

Thanks from: LordSutch

hehe.

munsterlegend

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Hopefully November will pass this year without the Brit media tearing into James McClean just because he doesn't want to wear something they think he should because he plays for an English club.

It's a complete joke that footballers are wheeled out wearing what is a political emblem. Let politicians wear them if they so wish. If you look at the majority of normal folk living in the U.K. most of them don't wear it anyway.

McClean is atypical of a professional footballer and has a mind of his own. Anyone who disputes his right not to wear it is either clueless as to his background or a fascist.

super_furry

What's the story with all theses flying ants?

The Backwards Man

Ah the poppy thread, where one side gives out about the other, blissfully unaware they are both equally in need of a good hobby.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

If wearing the Poppy symbolises Britain’s armed struggles and the people who fought and died (in most of these Britain was the aggressor) then Angela Merkel should wear a Swastika.

Jawgap

RayM wrote: »

Classic West-Brit post, tbh.

Damn.

West Brit......forgot to add that to the Poppy Thread Bingo......defo should be a bonus.

Thanks for the re-education.

Jawgap

munsterlegend wrote: »

It's a complete joke that footballers are wheeled out wearing what is a political emblem. Let politicians wear them if they so wish. If you look at the majority of normal folk living in the U.K. most of them don't wear it anyway.

McClean is atypical of a professional footballer and has a mind of his own. Anyone who disputes his right not to wear it is either clueless as to his background or a fascist.

Isn't he making quite a lot of money playing a "garrison sport" for a club with Albion in its name??

Ash.J.Williams

Just realised recently that if Cromwell never came here neither would my family. Thank you so much oliver for gifting me the life I have here in Ireland.

FrancieBrady

Ha ha, the usual apologists getting their shots off first this year I see.
A pre-emptive strike so to speak, jolly good, carry on.

Jawgap

Jawgap wrote: »

Isn't he making quite a lot of money playing a "garrison sport" for a club with Albion in its name??

Not sure they would call it a ‘garrison sport’ in England tbh.

McMurphy

Jawgap wrote: »

Isn't he making quite a lot of money playing a "garrison sport" for a club with Albion in its name??

Relevant to the wearing/not wearing of a poppy how?

tomwaterford

Jawgap wrote: »

Isn't he making quite a lot of money playing a "garrison sport" for a club with Albion in its name??

Revelence being??

I've relatives and friends working in England. ...should they be forced to wear the poppy aswell??


Should English and British leaning people in the free state be forced to wear the lily?

>>of course not...such a suggestion is moronic

munsterlegend

Jawgap wrote: »

Isn't he making quite a lot of money playing a "garrison sport" for a club with Albion in its name??

He earns a living playing a world popular sport where most Irish players play. He is not a political figure but a football player who doesn't follow what other sheep do. Just because you work for someone doesn't mean you somehow transform into taking on their views in everything though of course the wearing of the poppy is not an individual club decision. Anyway McClean has said his difficulty is not with English/British people but the obvious military attachment to the poppy.

Jawgap

Rick Shaw wrote: »

Relevant to the wearing/not wearing of a poppy how?

Just point out the inconsistencies in the notion that there's some kind of principled stand at play......

......don't get me wrong, no one should be compelled, judged of scorned for opting to wear or not wear any symbol......it should be a matter of choice guided by one's conscience.

But I just wonder at why the mouth breathers laud McLean's stand so much when he's playing a foreign sport?

OldMrBrennan83

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Jawgap

Jawgap wrote: »

Just point out the inconsistencies in the notion that there's some kind of principled stand at play......

......don't get me wrong, no one should be compelled, judged of scorned for opting to wear or not wear any symbol......it should be a matter of choice guided by one's conscience.

But I just wonder at why the mouth breathers laud McLean's stand so much when he's playing a foreign sport?

Why are you trying to connect his stance and support for his position as to whether a sport is ‘foreign’ or not. (Are certain sports ‘foreign’???).

munsterlegend

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why are you trying to connect his stance and support for his position as to whether a sport is ‘foreign’ or not. (Are certain sports ‘foreign’???).

Sports in Ireland has long moved on from the 'foreign sports' days particularly down south anyway. A young lad here can have his pick from gaa, soccer, rugby, golf or whatever he/she chooses. The opening of gaa grounds and maybe rugby World Cup 2023 In gaa stadium has dismissed that notion to a very small minority.

Jawgap

munsterlegend wrote: »

Sports in Ireland has long moved on from the 'foreign sports' days particularly down south anyway. A young lad here can have his pick from gaa, soccer, rugby, golf or whatever he/she chooses. The opening of gaa grounds and maybe rugby World Cup 2023 In gaa stadium has dismissed that notion to a very small minority.

.....amply demonstrating that most of us can get on and get past history - remembering it, doesn't mean being bound by it.

If people want to wear a poppy or a lilly or a fuschia let them.....likewise if they want to forego wearing any such symbols of contributing to the organisations behind them, eaqualky, let them.

Jawgap

Deleted User wrote: »

Why are you trying to connect his stance and support for his position as to whether a sport is ‘foreign’ or not. (Are certain sports ‘foreign’???).

Well, I'm not......but if you want to read an intention that doesn't exist into anything I type I can't really stop you......so away you go......

Dr Crayfish

I'm pretty sure I wore one while I was working in England, not that I put a lot of thought into it but I imagine they are worn as a reminder as to the sacrifices made and suffering endured in the wars.

riffmongous

The way the press treated McClean was disgraceful, he seems like he has a genuinely great heart

Republic of Ireland star James McClean made the dreams come true of a team of children with Down's Syndrome after he joined them for a football match in his hometown.

The Oxford Bulls team meet every Sunday at the Foyle Futsal Centre and they just love football.

However, the team had struggled to find another team to play against since forming in October 2015 with the help of the Foyle Down's Syndrome Trust.

The story of the team's quest for another side to against was highlighted in the Belfast Telegraph and after that the offers came flooding in -including one very special one

Premiere league footballer James McClean contacted the team to see if he could bring some players along for a match.

The team's manager Kevin Morrison initially thought it was a wind-up from a fake account.

The message read: "I'm playing a match on Tuesday night, I'll be back in Derry at lunchtime on Wednesday - how does that sound?'"

And true to his word the West Brom winger joined them at the city's indoor football centre.
....
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The session finished with a penalty shoot-out with McClean going into nets - but he was no match for the Oxford Bulls as they all scored past him.

Kevin said: "He (McClean) had a fantastic attitude and they loved him for it.

"The lads had a ball and James was an absolute gentleman, we couldn't believe our luck."

Jawgap

Jawgap wrote: »

.....amply demonstrating that most of us can get on and get past history - remembering it, doesn't mean being bound by it.

If people want to wear a poppy or a lilly or a fuschia let them.....likewise if they want to forego wearing any such symbols of contributing to the organisations behind them, eaqualky, let them.

Agreed. But i remain puzzled as to why you would therefore raise the notion of him playing what you called a ‘foreign sport’ and then conflating it re McClean and his stance on the poppy.

FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

.....amply demonstrating that most of us can get on and get past history - remembering it, doesn't mean being bound by it.

If people want to wear a poppy or a lilly or a fuschia let them.....likewise if they want to forego wearing any such symbols of contributing to the organisations behind them, eaqualky, let them.

And if people wish to criticise the wearing of a poppy...is that allowed in Jawgap's Brave New World?

Timberrrrrrrr

munsterlegend wrote: »

It's a complete joke that footballers are wheeled out wearing what is a political emblem. Let politicians wear them if they so wish. If you look at the majority of normal folk living in the U.K. most of them don't wear it anyway.

McClean is atypical of a professional footballer and has a mind of his own. Anyone who disputes his right not to wear it is either clueless as to his background or a fascist.

Really?

I'm sitting outside a coffee shop in a small town in the UK at the moment, decided after reading your post to count how many I could see, in 10 minutes 67 people walked past me (adults, I'm not including children) and 43 of them have poppies on.

There are also sellers across from.me outside a boots chemist who are doing roaring trade so to be honest your statement is wrong.

Jawgap

Deleted User wrote: »

Agreed. But i remain puzzled as to why you would therefore raise the notion of him playing what you called a ‘foreign sport’ and then conflating it re McClean and his stance on the poppy.

Just plumbing the depths of his apparent principles.

Jawgap

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And if people wish to criticise the wearing of a poppy...is that allowed in Jawgap's Brave New World?

I could explain why it is and why I think it's important that it should be so, but you'd need to be conversant with the ideas that define civil discourse to understand where I'm coming from, so let's not waste both our time in this point.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Jawgap wrote: »

I'm sure the usual suspects will be along with the usual rants to re-educate you.

I think there might be scope for a bit of an ol' drinking game......each post that mentions 'butcher' 'colonial/colony' 'traitor' 'foreign war' etc take a sip of tea.....

......dunk a digestive when any of the jackpot words are mentioned 'shoneen' 'cringe'

"Scraps from the imperialist table" - finish your drink and get another one.

FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

I could explain why it is and why I think it's important that it should be so, but you'd need to be conversant with the ideas that define civil discourse to understand where I'm coming from, so let's not waste both our time in this point.

You 'could explain why it (criticism) is allowed...but you won't. Excellent.

munsterlegend

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Really?

I'm sitting outside a coffee shop in a small town in the UK at the moment, decided after reading your post to count how many I could see, in 10 minutes 67 people walked past me (adults, I'm not including children) and 43 of them have poppies on.

There are also sellers across from.me outside a boots chemist who are doing roaring trade so to be honest your statement is wrong.

Depends what uk town you are in. Looking at villa West Brom on the tv and vast majority in the crowd not wearing any. Great to see you are having a productive Sunday counting lads wearing poppies!

Jawgap

Jawgap wrote: »

Just plumbing the depths of his apparent principles.

His ‘apparent principles’? Don’t you believe him? Are people allowed to support his stance on the poppy and also considered not to be bound by history, in this case Irish history?

tomwaterford

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

count how many I could see, in 10 minutes 67 people walked past me (adults, I'm not including children) and 43 of them have poppies on.
.

Any descent looking wimminz

munsterlegend

[Deleted User] wrote: »

His ‘apparent principles’? Don’t you believe him? Are people allowed to support his stance on the poppy and also considered not to be bound by history, in this case Irish history?

He obviously has an issue with McClean who had made hard principled choices. He declared for us when the easy thing to do would have been to continue playing for the north and will not wear a poppy which is against the grain.

Timberrrrrrrr

munsterlegend wrote: »

Depends what uk town you are in. Looking at villa West Brom on the tv and vast majority in the crowd not wearing any. Great to see you are having a productive Sunday counting lads wearing poppies!

Well i work hard all week so yes that's about as productive the hungover me wants to be on a Sunday 😊

Timberrrrrrrr

tomwaterford wrote: »

Any descent looking wimminz

Some beautiful ones


Some fecking ugly ones too though :pac:

Elmer Blooker

munsterlegend wrote: »

Looking at villa West Brom on the tv and vast majority in the crowd not wearing any.

The match must be dire - its Birmingham v Villa.

blueser

tomwaterford wrote: »

Any descent looking wimminz

Cue "going down" gags!

Jawgap

munsterlegend wrote: »

He obviously has an issue with McClean who had made hard principled choices. He declared for us when the easy thing to do would have been to continue playing for the north and will not wear a poppy which is against the grain.

I've no issue with McLean. I just wonder why he chooses to ply his trade in a league and for a club that makes such a deal over the wearing/not wearing the poppy?

Jawgap

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You 'could explain why it (criticism) is allowed...but you won't. Excellent.

Would that I had the vocabulary to explain it in words of a single syllable, but I don't, so there it must stay.

tomwaterford

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Some beautiful ones


Some fecking ugly ones too though :pac:

I wish that lad what spams AH was here right now :pac:

munsterlegend

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

The match must be dire - its Birmingham v Villa.

Haha yeah it was - all the Albion talk with mr McClean.

munsterlegend

Jawgap wrote: »

I've no issue with McLean. I just wonder why he chooses to ply his trade in a league and for a club that makes such a deal over the wearing/not wearing the poppy?

It's only one week a year. The question should be why is there such an uproar that he doesn't wear it? Was ww2 not about defending democracy and freedom of choice?

Most Irish professional soccer players go to either England or Scotland. The premier league is usually the highest most make.

FrancieBrady

munsterlegend wrote: »

It's only one week a year. The question should be why is there such an uproar that he doesn't wear it? Was ww2 not about defending democracy and freedom of choice?

Most Irish professional soccer players go to either England or Scotland. The premier league is usually the highest most make.

It's a provision of the Brave New World that if you disagree with one aspect of a culture that you must leave, it seems.