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Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,018 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    maryishere wrote: »
    There were a lot of poor protestants who could not vote either.

    When there was a referendum on the future of the North in 1973 everyone was allowed to vote and encouraged to vote. The vast majority voted to remain in the UK. No surprise the Poppy has a lot of support in N.I. still.

    Things have changed from 1973 a new generation is here and slowly we were getting better but it looks like it is going backwards now.

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    maryishere wrote: »
    There were a lot of poor protestants who could not vote either.

    When there was a referendum on the future of the North in 1973 everyone was allowed to vote and encouraged to vote. The vast majority voted to remain in the UK. No surprise the Poppy has a lot of support in N.I. still.

    Riddle me this Mary, on a scale of 1-10 how distraught will you be when we have a 32 county republic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,018 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Quite squirm inducing that. Was that before Hitler was a very naughty boy?

    From other information I was able to pick up it was a 1935 visit even then it was a concentration camp

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  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    not yet wrote: »
    Same regard as who..

    IRA , UVF and BA members who killed civilians.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,691 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    From other information I was able to pick up it was a 1935 visit even then it was a concentration camp

    Post what you find on the RBL, people should know this stuff.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    jh79 wrote: »
    IRA , UVF and BA members who killed civilians.

    If someone comes into my house uninvited and tries to force their ways on me I'm entitled to fight back..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet




  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    not yet wrote: »
    If someone comes into my house uninvited and tries to force their ways on me I'm entitled to fight back..

    I'm talkimg about the murder of civilians.

    How do you decide which civilians were more deserving of their fate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,018 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    The poppy sold by the Royal British Legion remembers every single British soldier that has died since WW1. That includes those who carried out mass murder on the streets of Ireland, those who assisted in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1947 and those who butchered Iraqis and Afghanis this century. It is nauseating that the genocidal campaigns perpetrated by British soldiers are presented as ‘heroism’ by the Royal British Legion and its advocates. The funds raised by the annual poppy appeal are used to finance veterans of present-day conflicts taking a burden off the Ministry of Defence. The poppy is a symbol of British imperialism.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    jh79 wrote: »
    I'm talkimg about the murder of civilians.

    How do you decide which civilians were more deserving of their fate?

    Well, The British dead squads were vicious in their approach, they murdered at will in the most horrible way, Shankill butchers, Loughinisland massacre, Miami show band etc etc,whereas most civilians killed by Republicans where seen as collateral damage by MI5. It is widely accepted that IRA always gave sufficient Bomb warnings that were only passed on by MI5 with minutes to go.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    maryishere wrote: »
    There were a lot of poor protestants who could not vote either.

    When there was a referendum on the future of the North in 1973 everyone was allowed to vote and encouraged to vote. The vast majority voted to remain in the UK. No surprise the Poppy has a lot of support in N.I. still.



  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    not yet wrote: »
    Well, The British dead squads were vicious in their approach, they murdered at will in the most horrible way, Shankill butchers, Loughinisland massacre, Miami show band etc etc,whereas most civilians killed by Republicans where seen as collateral damage by MI5. It is widely accepted that IRA always gave sufficient Bomb warnings that were only passed on by MI5 with minutes to go.

    Would you agree in the case of the murder of a civilian that the group the murderer belongs to is irrelevant, morally speaking?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,461 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Yes it is,but it has as much to do with current British forces as the cancer societies daffodil day has to do with st David’s day
    It’s to commemorate and support aswell as support the comeroration of Irish soldiers who fought in the British Army in the two world wars,hence the poppy in the badge

    Re:the shamrock poppy.

    IMHO, it is a very cynical move by the RBL to have an Oirish version of their symbol, and a dumb move by Leo to wear it. If he wants to wear a poppy, have the courage of his conviction and wear one. Better still, wear a white one, or one remembering those fallen in wars but not financing the British Armed forces personnel, but don't wear this bastardised version of the poppy because it is branded to look Irish. Leo, like a certain cohort, constantly trip over themselves to be more British than the British themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    jh79 wrote: »
    Would you agree in the case of the murder of a civilian that the group the murderer belongs to is irrelevant, morally speaking?

    No I wouldn't, It's justified in some cases.

    Edit:

    Whilst I do believe the killing of civilians is wrong, it happens in a war.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    maryishere wrote: »
    There were a lot of poor protestants who could not vote either.

    When there was a referendum on the future of the North in 1973 everyone was allowed to vote and encouraged to vote. The vast majority voted to remain in the UK. No surprise the Poppy has a lot of support in N.I. still.

    Not even Unionists talk about that vote. It was boycotted by one community. You had a govt who murdered innocent people the year before and covered the whole thing up. The whole thing was a joke.

    Of course an even bigger joke is you bringing it up as having any relevance.

    As someone else said it is now 2017. It won't be long before Sinn Fein will be the largest party in the north due to a complete failure of Unionism to respect the nationalist tradition. we will have direct rule shortly which is effectively joint authority in all but name. Times are changing Mary


  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    not yet wrote: »
    No I wouldn't, It's justified in some cases.

    Edit:

    Whilst I do believe the killing of civilians is wrong, it happens in a war.

    In what cases?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,691 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Re:the shamrock poppy.

    IMHO, it is a very cynical move by the RBL to have an Oirish version of their symbol, and a dumb move by Leo to wear it. If he wants to wear a poppy, have the courage of his conviction and wear one. Better still, wear a white one, or one remembering those fallen in wars but not financing the British Armed forces personnel, but don't wear this bastardised version of the poppy because it is branded to look Irish. Leo, like a certain cohort, constantly trip over themselves to be more British than the British themselves.

    It should be a shamrock inside a poppy by right. I. E. The Irish were in the British Army.
    It is designed for those only too willing who doff the hat without questioning.

    Have they said why it has taken a hundred years to spend all the money raised in Ireland in Ireland? Did they forget? - have to be persuaded? etc etc?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    jh79 wrote: »
    In what cases?

    Informers for one..


  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    not yet wrote: »
    Informers for one..

    And in the case of civilian outside of your exceptions?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    jh79 wrote: »
    And in the case of civilian outside of your exceptions?

    Civilian deaths are wrong, but more civilians where murdered by Crown forces then Republicans..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    The butchers apron like the red poppy is a symbol of oppression, imperialism and is a reminder of the murder of millions of innocent men, women & children the world over.


  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    not yet wrote: »
    Civilian deaths are wrong, but more civilians where murdered by Crown forces then Republicans..

    Can i assume that you value the lives of civilians differently depending on the nationality the perpertrator identifies as or the victim for that matter?


  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    not yet wrote: »
    The butchers apron like the red poppy is a symbol of oppression, imperialism and is a reminder of the murder of millions of innocent men, women & children the world over.

    Jaysus having a go at butchers now!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    jh79 wrote: »
    Jaysus having a go at butchers now!

    If the Fleg fits..:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    Genocide.jpg

    Every single Englishman should be ashamed of this.



    "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion." - Churchill.

    This hatred killed 4 million in Bengal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭Rumpy Pumpy


    Really really excellent poppy thread this year. A bold statement, but maybe the best one ever? Full of fresh insight, new perspectives, witty put downs. Really cannot wait to see who finally has the last word.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Really really excellent poppy thread this year. A bold statement, but maybe the best one ever? Full of fresh insight, new perspectives, witty put downs. Really cannot wait to see who which mod finally has the last word.

    FYP, for you :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    not yet wrote: »
    more civilians where murdered by Crown forces then Republicans..
    Wrong.
    Of those killed by republican paramilitaries:
    1080 (~52%) were members/former members of the British security forces
    723 (~35%) were civilians
    187 (~9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
    57 (~2.7%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
    11 (~0.5%) were members of the Irish security forces

    156 civilians were killed by the security forces, that is an average of one person every three months or so during the course of the troubles.
    There were a number of people killed by the Irish security forces too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    maryishere wrote: »
    Wrong.
    Of those killed by republican paramilitaries:
    1080 (~52%) were members/former members of the British security forces
    723 (~35%) were civilians
    187 (~9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
    57 (~2.7%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
    11 (~0.5%) were members of the Irish security forces

    156 civilians were killed by the security forces, that is an average of one person every three months or so during the course of the troubles.
    There were a number of people killed by the Irish security forces too.

    You misunderstood me...

    By Crown forces I included the Loyalist death squads,R.U.C, UDA UDR etc as they were under the remit of MI5 for the most part.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    It was boycotted by one community.
    The turnout was close to 60% which is close to turnouts for elections and referendums here. Everyone had the same opportunity to vote. One person one vote. "The Northern Ireland border poll was a referendum held in Northern Ireland on 8 March 1973 on whether Northern Ireland should remain part of the United Kingdom or join with the Republic of Ireland to form a united Ireland."
    98.9% voted to remain part of the UK.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_border_poll,_1973

    Had the nationalist vote been big enough to win it, I'm sure there would have been a "united Ireland" long ago.


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