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JFK Files

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Charmeleon wrote: »
    Clenching your fists, and most other muscle groups, is a natural reaction to sudden painful trauma. Dale Myers walkthrough of the second bullet shows Connolly’s jacket bulges out at the same instant JFK is seen reacting to his wounds, so both men show signs of being hit almost simultaneously.

    Sure:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Charmeleon
    Gov Connolly statement. I will highlight in black the important parts.

    "Gov. Connally: We had just made the turn … when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise, which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder

    Me ( This means he was not hit by the magic bullet as the President was already hit before he turned around) Connolly is stating he was not hit with a bullet until he turned around. The GIFs i posted early support this.


    Continue Connolly: and I saw nothing unusual except just people in the crowd, but I did catch the president in the corner of my eye, and I was interested, because once I heard the shot in my own mind I identified it as a rifle shot, and I immediately – the only thought that crossed my mind was that this is an assassination attempt.

    So I looked, failing to see him, I was turning to look back over my left shoulder into the back seat, but I never got that far in my turn. I got about in the position I am now in facing you, looking a little bit to the left of center, and then I felt like somebody had hit me in the back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭kingchess


    Sure:rolleyes:

    Maybe JFK shot himself. and the Police faked every thing to cover it all up,framed Oswald to divert attention away from it all,How is that for a conspiracy theory?/?::cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭Charmeleon


    Charmeleon
    Gov Connolly statement. I will highlight in black the important parts.

    "Gov. Connally: We had just made the turn … when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise, which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder

    Me ( This means he was not hit by the magic bullet as the President was already hit before he turned around) Connolly is stating he was not hit with a bullet until he turned around. The GIFs i posted early support this.


    Continue Connolly: and I saw nothing unusual except just people in the crowd, but I did catch the president in the corner of my eye, and I was interested, because once I heard the shot in my own mind I identified it as a rifle shot, and I immediately – the only thought that crossed my mind was that this is an assassination attempt.

    So I looked, failing to see him, I was turning to look back over my left shoulder into the back seat, but I never got that far in my turn. I got about in the position I am now in facing you, looking a little bit to the left of center, and then I felt like somebody had hit me in the back.

    No one disputes the first shot that was fired missed. That’s the shot Connolly heard. After he turned, the second bullet hit JFK and Connolly, the third hit JFK in the back of the head.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Charmeleon wrote: »
    No one disputes the first shot that was fired missed. That’s the shot Connolly heard. After he turned, the second bullet hit JFK and Connolly, the third hit JFK in the back of the head.

    The Zaprauder home video in fact actually supports Connolly view he was hit with a separate bullet and not one bullet the Warren Commission says hit them both.

    Connolly did not do a right turn to look over his shoulder till about frame 230 of the Zaprauder film. President was already hit, for the first time at about 223-224 frame of the Zaprauder home video. I think i know what they made the mistake. The Zaprauder film was not seen till years after the Warren Commission report, so they did not think ahead people in the future time would notice this time lapse between frames.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭Charmeleon


    Sure:rolleyes:

    Connolly was still holding his hat after he collapsed injured into his wife’s lap. Explain that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Nellie Connally, Connally wife said.

    I turned over my right shoulder and looked back, and saw the president as he had both hands at his neck.

    Mr. Specter: And you are indicating with your own hands, two hands crossing over gripping your own neck.

    Mrs. Connally: Yes; and it seemed to me there was – he made no utterance, no cry. I saw no blood, no anything. It was just sort of nothing, the expression on his face, and he just sort of slumped down.

    Then very soon there was the second shot that hit John. As the first shot was hit, and I turned to look at the same time, I recall John saying, “Oh, no, no, no.” Then there was a second shot, and it hit John, and as he recoiled to the right, he said, “My God, they are going to kill us all.”


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭Charmeleon


    So the bullet that emerged from JFK’s neck proceeded to vanish into thin air. A second or so later, another bullet appeared in front of JFK and spun sideways before hitting Connolly. OK. Got it now I think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Charmeleon wrote: »
    So the bullet that emerged from JFK’s neck proceeded to vanish into thin air. A second or so later, another bullet appeared in front of JFK and spun sideways before hitting Connolly. OK. Got it now I think.

    Why you disputing their testimony? Do you not believe the Connolly's are reliable eyewitnesses? The Zaprauder home video backs up everything they said happened that day. Are you wired differently you can not see this on the video?

    The Sequences are clear as day. Kennedy was hit around 223-224 frames of the movie. 225, 226, 227 228, 228, all show Kennedy raising his arms more to his throat as the frames pass. Connolly has not moved his facing forward still. 230 frame we see Connolly move his body to the right and start looking back the direction Kennedy was seated. This is positive proof both men could not have got hit by the same bullet, it proofs the opposite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    Post reported.

    At least i didn't call him anti-semitic.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭Charmeleon


    What you disputing their testimony? The Zaprauder home video backs up everything they said happened that day. Are you wired differently you can not see this on the video?

    The Sequences are clear as day. Kennedy was hit around 223-224 frames of the movie. 225, 226, 227 228, 228, all show Kennedy raising his arms more to his throat as the frames pass. Connolly has not moved his facing forward still. 230 frame we see Connolly move his body to the right and start looking back the direction Kennedy was seated. This is positive proof both men could not have got hit by the same bullet, it proofs the opposite.

    Yes, they are wrong, since they weren’t looking at JFK, and the video proves it. The first shot is around frame 160 when Connolly rapidly turns to look to his right, the second shot hits both around 223-224. Connolly’s jacket puffs out at the same time JFK is hit and he then begins to slump to the side.

    So, what happened to the bullet that left JFK’s neck? Your magic bullet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    Chrongen wrote: »
    Why is being a skeptic an issue?

    If you are told something that you don't really believe and you say that you are not convinced, does your expression of doubt warrant that you be demeaned and silenced or ignored?

    What are you on about? He said I was a skeptic for believing there is no conspiracy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    I answered him already you mong. Look for the audit trail. I was asked a series of questions in post #422, you posted some drivel in #433 and 7 minutes later in post 435 I gave a detailed response to the question posed in #422.
    Its like having a debate with a goldfish.

    Post reported


    Edit - not really though because i dont roll that way


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Charmeleon wrote: »
    Yes, they are wrong, since they weren’t looking at JFK, and the video proves it. The first shot is around frame 160 when Connolly rapidly turns to look to his right, the second shot hits both around 223-224. Connolly’s jacket puffs out at the same time JFK is hit and he then begins to slump to the side.

    So, what happened to the bullet that left JFK’s neck? Your magic bullet.

    This is the 160 frame of the Zaprauder film you wrong. https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z160.jpg

    Kennedy hit with the first bullet https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z224.jpg

    Gov Connolly 230 still looking forward https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z230.jpg

    231 he starts to make a move to look around.
    https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z231.jpg

    Zaprauder films backs up Connolly accounts after the shooting. When he said i turned to look over my shoulder i heard a rifle shot. His wife said she saw Kennedy was hit and a second bullet then hit my Husband.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    So, what happened to the bullet that left JFK’s neck? Your magic bullet. Have you not read the posts over the last week?

    Nobody knows. What we have is mystery bullet found on a stretcher away from the emergency room. We have shown pictures of the pristine bullet ( magic bullet) on here numerous times. Another red flag.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Just point this out again.

    The bullet in the picture below ( first photograph), was the bullet the Warren Commission alleges hit Kennedy back, throat, Connolly chest, wrist and thigh.

    432853.png

    These are tests by the Warren Commission trying to see if a bullet hit human bone and remain intact.

    This is Carcano bullet (below) after hitting just human wrist bone. The Single bullet theory is a miracle a fairy tale.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    FAKE NEWS

    Lyin' Ted's oul' fella shot JFK

    Sin e


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    This is Carcano bullet (below) after hitting just human wrist bone. The Single bullet theory is a miracle a fairy tale.

    Nope. The pic you posted is of a bullet that hasn't already hit something. The top of the bullet didn't hit Connollys wrist. The side of it did, hence the flattening. This is not a pristine bullet. And its been proved a load of times that the carcano bullet can withstand a lot of punishment. You've just chosen one experiment to suit your agenda.

    bullet.jpg


    You still haven't explained how this is a shot from the front or how Connolly could got those wounds without the bullet passing through JFK first. He was directly in the way of the path of the bullet that entered Connolly.

    313%20Bone%20Fragments_zps7dd7vzfq.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Nope. The pic you posted is of a bullet that hasn't already hit something. The top of the bullet didn't hit Connollys wrist. The side of it did, hence the flattening. This is not a pristine bullet. And its been proved a load of times that the carcano bullet can withstand a lot of punishment. You've just chosen one experiment to suit your agenda.

    You still haven't explained how this is a shot from the front or how Connolly could got those wounds without the bullet passing through JFK first. He was directly in the way of the path of the bullet that entered Connolly.

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    Let’s for a moment ignore Kennedy was shot with the same bullet.

    Connolly injuries caused by the Magic bullet, 1 bullet.
    A perforating wound of the chest which broke a rib and damaged the pleural sac covering his right lung
    A perforating wound of the right wrist which broke his radius
    A penetrating wound of the left thigh.


    Why the exhibit is important we have an almost pristine bullet found in suspicious circumstances! The bullet has a small chip at the top base cap. We have the photographic evidence to this fact. The medical records and X rays, prove many bullet fragments was removed from Connolly body and wrist, at Parkland Hospital. Some of the bullet fragments were never removed from Connolly wrist and thigh. The lead taken out and not removed exceeded the damage of the magic bullet!

    So we know for a fact the magic bullet could not be the only bullet that caused all the injuries to Kennedy and Connolly.

    I told you already Kennedy was hit by a bullet, that came from behind and impacted the back, and exited the throat? The other option the bullet was a frontal impact shot. The bullet entered Kennedy throat and exited out his back?

    I believe there was two shooters at the scene. A shooter at the Texas School depository/or the shooter was firing from another building behind Kennedy Motorcade? The second shooter was located near the Grassy Knool or near the underpass to the front?

    Answer your questions more precisely
    Connolly was hit by a bullet from behind obviously! A second bullet could easily miss Kennedy and hit Connolly instead! Oswald if he was the shooter and not someone else was over 200+ feet away and the weapon of choice was the Carcano? This rifle is a piece of crap and was not build for precision shooting.

    Connolly testimony was he only got hit by a bullet when he turned around. Collaborated by the Zaprauder film. The frames don’t match up. Kennedy was hit in frame 224. If the Magic bullet had been fired at the same time. The bullet would have struck both men at the same time! The only person reacting to a bullet impact was Kennedy. Connolly was still looking ahead right up till frame 231. Bullets hardly take a launch break. So it’s obvious both men are hit by different bullets at different intervals of time.

    The Head shot
    A bullet striking the back of the head, would splatter blood and brain tissue into the air? We don’t see this at all. We see the head exploding of the right side (above the right ear) This would be hard shot for Oswald who is located on the 6th floor to pull off. The line of sight, he had? The President after the first shot starts leaning and turning his head more to the left. This meant, his seeing the left side of the head at this range when he pulled the trigger.
    I can’t say for sure if this was a shot from behind or right front. However the shot does look like it came from the front and not the back if the Zaprauder film is to be believed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    I can’t say for sure if this was a shot from behind or right front. However the shot does look like it came from the front and not the back if the Zaprauder film is to be believed?

    I just can't see it. Id love it I was wrong! None of the wounds look like they came from the front for me. Thats an entrance wound in JFKs back Connollys obviously and the headshot.... just can't see how the front right of his head explodes like that after being hit with a shot from the front right. There would have to be an exit wound on his left side if that were the case.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    I just can't see it. Id love it I was wrong! None of the wounds look like they came from the front for me. Thats an entrance wound in JFKs back Connollys obviously and the headshot.... just can't see how the front right of his head explodes like that after being hit with a shot from the front right. There would have to be an exit wound on his left side if that were the case.

    Really. This may sound stupid. Put your finger near you right side of your skull above your right ear. Now imagine a bullet impacting and exploding into tiny fragments that spread out everywhere. The bullet fragments leftovers could also have lodged inside the skull and not exited the left side.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal I had to use paint program it's crude way to highlight this.


    432932.png


    Orange part; is the likely trajectory of the bullet would enter and exit if the shot came from the Texas School Book Depository.

    The black/green line would be a shot fired from the side/ front near the grassy knool. A rifle shot from the side (grassy knool) would miss everyone. A shot from the back , could have potentially hit the President Wife, Connolly Wife and Connolly!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,925 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The Nal I had to use paint program it's crude way to highlight this.


    432932.png


    Orange part; is the likely trajectory of the bullet would enter and exit if the shot came from the Texas School Book Depository.

    The black/green line would be a shot fired from the side/ front near the grassy knool. A rifle shot from the side (grassy knool) would miss everyone. A shot from the back , could have potentially hit the President Wife, Connolly Wife and Connolly!

    how could a shot from the TSBD be horizontal?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    how could a shot from the TSBD be horizontal?

    A bullet travels in a straight line. Kennedy head position is also important.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,925 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    A bullet travels in a straight line. Kennedy head position is also important.

    oswald was on the 6th floor. at least 60 feet above where kennedy was.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    A bullet travels in a straight line. Kennedy head position is also important.

    For your pic to be accurate....the shot would have to have come from street level?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    oswald was on the 6th floor. at least 60 feet above where kennedy was.

    Elevation. The bullet still has to travel a straight line to hit Kennedy .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,925 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Elevation. The bullet still has to travel a straight line to hit Kennedy .

    a straight line that would definitely not be horizontal. why is this so difficult for you to understand? why does basic stuff like this have to be pointed out to you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    Elevation. The bullet still has to travel a straight line to hit Kennedy .

    Ye a straight line at an angle since LHO was on the 6th floor of the TSBD,

    CTM_1111_JFKDOC.jpg


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    a straight line that would definitely not be horizontal. why is this so difficult for you to understand? why does basic stuff like this have to be pointed out to you?

    Bullet change direction and don't travel in a straight line from the barrel of the gun?


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