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Cheerful Spring wrote: »False.
Thats not false. Thats correct. 81% of people heard three shots.
You're stuck in The Warren Commission and Rush to Judgement in 1966. 51 years of research has happened since. Read up man!Cheerful Spring wrote: »Even Connolly thinks there was a 4 shots if my math is right!
Nope, you're wrong. Again. Connolly describes 3 shots, the 2nd only because he felt it being hit in the back.
"It is not conceivable to me that I could have been hit by the first bullet, and then I felt the blow from something which was obviously a bullet, which I assumed was a bullet, and I never heard the second shot, didn't hear it. I didn't hear but two shots. I think I heard the first shot and the third shot."
Here he is on his hospital bed describing 3 shots.
And here he is talking about it years later.
Connolly basically, wasn't sure. A man who has just been shot isn't going to be reliable for details.
Explain a couple of things to me:
1. The bullet wipe on the rear of JFKs jacket. Impossible unless its the first surface hit.
2. The entry wound to Connollys back (and jacket) from a bullet in yaw. Impossible unless its the 2nd object hit. Bullets don't enter sideways unless they've just exited something. Thats when they tumble.
3. The squeeze on CE399 which is consistent with above, entering Connolly going sideways, slightly pancaking the bullet.
Cheerful Spring wrote: »Watch the Zaprauder film also. A shot to the back of the head would have thrown brain matter into the air and it would have been visually easy to see.
Like this?
P.S. You've yet again ignored the picture I posted of JFKs back wound, which could only be an entry wound and ignored numerous other posters questions as they debunk any theory you may have in favour of ambiguous quotes here and there.0 -
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Thats not false. Thats correct. 81% of people heard three shots.
You're stuck in The Warren Commission and Rush to Judgement in 1966. 51 years of research has happened since. Read up man!
The percentage you have come up with too high. I have watched numerous JFK tv and documentary films over the years. Saw Eyewitnesses interviewed by newsman and reporters, and many of them were asked,’ how many shots you hear? While I agree the majority of eyewitnesses heard at least 3 shots,’ about 40 per cent of the eyewitnesses heard 4 shots or more. I would say the statistic is lot closer to 60%-40%
Latest stats we have where the shots came from. Stephen Galanor compiled eyewitness accounts, from this his learned 52 eyewitnesses heard shots come from the front of the motorcade. Richard Charnin 88 eyewitnesses said the Grassy Knool. Skeptic John Adams even agrees he found 33 eyewitness that said shots came from the front of the car. The number of eyewitnesses who said they heard shots come from the Texas school Book Depository is also high. What we got is different locations where the shooting happened!Nope, you're wrong. Again. Connolly describes 3 shots, the 2nd only because he felt it being hit in the back.
"It is not conceivable to me that I could have been hit by the first bullet, and then I felt the blow from something which was obviously a bullet, which I assumed was a bullet, and I never heard the second shot, didn't hear it. I didn't hear but two shots. I think I heard the first shot and the third shot."
Here he is on his hospital bed describing 3 shots.
And here he is talking about it years later.
Connolly basically, wasn't sure. A man who has just been shot isn't going to be reliable for details.
Connolly, does not believe the same bullet could have hit him and Kennedy.
The Zaprauder home video,, appears to show a second or two delay between the rifle shots. Kennedy was hit first then a pause then Connolly was hit.
End of the day, we know for a fact he does not believe in the single bullet theory explanation, the cornerstone of this case against Oswald.
If a bullet missed and two bullets hit Kennedy and one bullet hit Connolly. This means literally, no dispute can be made there was 4 shots, 2 guns and 2 shooters? Connolly said he reacted to the sound, the noise of hearing a rifle shot! Disingenuous of you to say he was not sure his always confident he was not shot with the same bullet. Please don’t be saying things that are not true!Explain a couple of things to me:
1. The bullet wipe on the rear of JFKs jacket. Impossible unless its the first surface hit.
2. The entry wound to Connollys back (and jacket) from a bullet in yaw. Impossible unless its the 2nd object hit. Bullets don't enter sideways unless they've just exited something. Thats when they tumble.
3. The squeeze on CE399 which is consistent with above, entering Connolly going sideways, slightly pancaking the bullet.
The four policemen first on the scene find a Mauser 7.65 rifle. There is no reports of finding a Carcano Italian made rifle at the scene. The rifle change occurred many hours (24 hours later) after Oswald was captured as a suspect.
The Warren Commission own ballistic experts could not at any time replicate the magic bullet damage. The WC ballistic experts strongly disagreed the bullet found suspiciously on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital (with no blood on the bullet) was the bullet that caused the damage to Connolly and Kennedy.
We even have photographs of the tests and the damage to the bullets. So the bullet that was recovered at Parkland Hospital was not fired that day.
Warren Commission bullet Tests/ Exhibit.
This is a picture of a Carcano bullet when it impacted a wrist with bone.
The fragments you posted alongside the Magic bullet. Those fragments did not come from the Magic bullet they are fragments removed from Connolly body.
The Magic bullet that allegedly hit Kennedy and Connolly is pictured here. Pristine condition.
Warren Commission never interviewed key witnesses and never called them to testify. We also know they have ignored what their experts told them about the magic bullet theory..Never mind their denial Jack Ruby knew Oswald. Eyewitnesses have come forward even Oswald best friend revealed Oswald knew Jack Ruby and was seen hanging out with Guy Bannister, David Ferrie and Ruby at local hangouts.
Next we have the Doctors at Parkland Hospital who operated on Kennedy. All observed a wound near the throat of Kennedy. Years later even after the Warren Commission report came out, Dr Crenshaw still maintains the wound he saw can only came from the front not the back. This clearly is true. When we know the Warren Commission deliberately moved the back wound from its original position/autopsy lower back to a higher position near the neck area. This is clear tampering with evidence.
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Cheerful Spring wrote: »The percentage you have come up with too high. I have watched numerous JFK tv and documentary films over the years. Saw Eyewitnesses interviewed by newsman and reporters, and many of them were asked,’ how many shots you hear? While I agree the majority of eyewitnesses heard at least 3 shots,’ about 40 per cent of the eyewitnesses heard 4 shots or more. I would say the statistic is lot closer to 60%-40%
Its been compiled. By people who have examined every witness. Not just someone whos watched a few documentaries. The number is 81%. The number of people who heard 4 shots is 5%.Cheerful Spring wrote: »Disingenuous of you to say he was not sure his always confident he was not shot with the same bullet. Please don’t be saying things that are not true!
Where did I say that? I said he wasn't sure about the number of shots or which one he was hit with.
Did you not watch his interviews? Like the ones I posted? Or his testimony to the WC? He says hes not sure, repeatedly.Cheerful Spring wrote: »Connolly, does not believe the same bullet could have hit him and Kennedy.
The Zaprauder home video,, appears to show a second or two delay between the rifle shots.
So we're taking the opinion of a man who had his back to the president (the worst view in the plaza) and was shot himself over hard facts. They react at the same time.
And just to really prove the point, heres Myers model being proof tested.
Hint - hes spot on.Cheerful Spring wrote: »The four policemen first on the scene find a Mauser 7.65 rifle. There is no reports of finding a Carcano Italian made rifle at the scene. The rifle change occurred many hours (24 hours later) after Oswald was captured as a suspect.
Ill ask again, how do you explain the Carcano being held up in the TSBD on TV and the Carcano being paraded through the police station within a couple of hours of the shooting? Some sort of time travel or Men in Black thing?
Here it is. This is not a Mauser. This is a Carcano. A couple of hours after the assassination. Are you saying thats a Mauser?!
Cheerful Spring wrote: »The Warren Commission own ballistic experts could not at any time replicate the magic bullet damage. The WC ballistic experts strongly disagreed the bullet found suspiciously on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital (with no blood on the bullet) was the bullet that caused the damage to Connolly and Kennedy.
We even have photographs of the tests and the damage to the bullets. So the bullet that was recovered at Parkland Hospital was not fired that day.
The Warren Commission is gospel when it suits you isnt it? :rolleyes:
Its been replicated several times since and comes out close to pristine. As below, something else Ive posted that you haven't bothered to watch.
From 25 mins.Cheerful Spring wrote: »Never mind their denial Jack Ruby knew Oswald. Eyewitnesses have come forward even Oswald best friend revealed Oswald knew Jack Ruby and was seen hanging out with Guy Bannister, David Ferrie and Ruby at local hangouts.
More Jim Garrison madness. The wackiest of the wacky. Even Mark Lane said that. Really not even worth discussing.
You've still ignored the JFK bullet wound pic, the bullet wipe, the bullet yaw wound to Connolly amongst other things. You have no interest in acknowledging anything that doesn't fit in with your tremendously broad and vague conspiracy theories. You're literally ignoring fact to suit yourself.0 -
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Cheerful Spring wrote: »You're a person who is clearly in denial. You can't even accept Connolly testimony you're a lost cause. There is no timeline when the rifle was shown to the News Reporters and onlookers. Do you not know a Carcano rifle and Mauser resemble each other on first look to a layman. We would have to look over this rifle over to be sure it was not a Mauser they are showing off, anyways either way you have yet to explain how Police officers can mistake identifying markings on the rifle they found? The Warren Commission own ballistic experts disagree with their findings, but this is the fault of Mark Lane and conspiracy minded people is this your belief. Nobody has replicated the magic bullet theory. You're peddling lies. According to you doctors who operated on Kennedy, the Ballistic experts, the eyewitnesses and police officers got it wrong, we should just trust the panel of politicians who wrote the Warren Commission report instead?
a blind man wouldn't confuse them
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ohnonotgmail wrote: »a blind man wouldn't confuse them
This is a Mauser 7.65 top and Oswald rifle alleged rifle below.
Now look at the rifle the guy at the police station is holding up in the air. If you put a scope on the Mauser it would resemble the gun shown.0 -
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