Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781

wp_rathead · 27-10-2017 08:30AM

Ahh i do get the argument with no Bowe, Zebo, Trimble in the back 3 that Joe wants "experience" in regards the Kearney's but I'll be lying if I say i don't bit disheartening regardless.
Sweetnam, Conway and especially Stockdale are all really exciting inclusions - I have my reservations about Byrne but if I'm proved wrong all the better for Ireland
And yes, probably I am biased in my feeling that TOH should be in the squad- he seems to just not be what Joe looks for in a FB and I'll have to live with that

connachta wrote: »

The bias is the other way. McCartney/Heff aren't perfect but tell me what Herring did better? I can accept debate about Cronin, or Scannell (the hooker), but there, it's an anti-Connacht bias (because the overall resuts aren't good, but those hookers are not responsible for that).

Please stop

irishbucsfan · 27-10-2017 08:31AM

irishfan9 wrote: »

When Murray heads off after the next world cup, his understudies should be entering their prime years -> Cooney(29), Marmion(27), McGrath(26)

He'll be 4th choice by then, obviously! :cool:

Yeah_Right · 27-10-2017 09:18AM

irishfan9 wrote: »

When Murray heads off after the next world cup, his understudies should be entering their prime years -> Cooney(29), Marmion(27), McGrath(26)

I would have thought 29 is getting on for a halfback. If they haven't become a regular international by 29, they probably aren't going to be. I'm not saying they are over the hill at that stage. Just that they will be emergency cover only.

irishfan9 · 27-10-2017 09:52AM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I would have thought 29 is getting on for a halfback. If they haven't become a regular international by 29, they probably aren't going to be. I'm not saying they are over the hill at that stage. Just that they will be emergency cover only.

depends on how early that 9 starting getting regular playing time IMO.

Erik Shin · 27-10-2017 10:04AM

As long as Dave is only there to be a tackle bag I'll be happy

prawnsambo · 27-10-2017 10:19AM

Erik Shin wrote: »

As long as Dave is only there to be a tackle bag I'll be happy

I suspect that requires the alternatives to out-Dave Dave. Are they up for the challenge?

Former Former · 27-10-2017 10:54AM

Erik Shin wrote: »

As long as Dave is only there to be a tackle bag I'll be happy

With Bowe finished, the dreamboat quotient is getting dangerously low.

It would be madness to leave out someone as handsome as Dave Kearney and leave Rob to shoulder all the burden.

Bazzo · 27-10-2017 11:03AM

I have it on good authority that Rob Kearney personally sabotaged O'Halloran's place in the squad because he was threatened by his handsomeness.

connachta · 27-10-2017 11:04AM

You can all find "good reasons" or "live with it" but McCartney ahead of Herring and TOH ahead of Keaney(s)/Byrne is common sense. Considereing Farrell (Chris) as limited is, too

Noboby will change his mind, and that's ok, enough said, we agree to disagree

27-10-2017 11:08AM

Former Former wrote: »

the dreamboat quotient is getting dangerously low

I have it on good authority that James Ryan's left nutsack bares a startling resemblance to a young Marlon Brando...

Burkie1203 · 27-10-2017 11:09AM

connachta wrote: »

You can all find "good reasons" or "live with it" but McCartney ahead of Herring and TOH ahead of Keaney(s)/Byrne is common sense. Considereing Farrell (Chris) as limited is, too

Noboby will change his mind, and that's ok, enough said, we agree to disagree

But you are not offering anything to back that up. Why is what you suggest common sense?

prawnsambo · 27-10-2017 11:13AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

But you are not offering anything to back that up. Why is what you suggest common sense?

Because they're 'better'. Have you not been paying attention?

connachta · 27-10-2017 11:24AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

You can all find "good reasons" or "live with it" but McCartney ahead of Herring and TOH ahead of Keaney(s)/Byrne is common sense. Considereing Farrell (Chris) as limited is, too

Noboby will change his mind, and that's ok, enough said, we agree to disagree

But you are not offering anything to back that up. Why is what you suggest common sense?

Because I can't find any crocked throw, and have seen very rare knock-ons, stable scrum, good carries, 90+% tackling rate, runs etc. on a constant basis for 3 years. Their counterparts (Herr/Byrne), assuming they have the same stats, have these for 3 months...
They should not prevail

Quintis · 27-10-2017 11:31AM

It's funny that O'Halloran isn't in, especially that he is part of the new Vodafone campaign as part of their Ireland sponsorship

Former Former · 27-10-2017 11:34AM

connachta wrote: »

You can all find "good reasons" or "live with it" but McCartney ahead of Herring and TOH ahead of Keaney(s)/Byrne is common sense. Considereing Farrell (Chris) as limited is, too

Noboby will change his mind, and that's ok, enough said, we agree to disagree

McCartney?

So, you drop a guy with 50-caps as a way of building for the future... and you replace him with an uncapped guy who's a year older?

Do you see the problem?

The TOH thing is done to death. When he learns how to defend, he'll be back. [For the same reasons, I wouldn't have picked Adam Byrne]

irishbucsfan · 27-10-2017 11:36AM

Adam Byrne's defense has actually been improved this season up to the Monty game. People are letting one single game colour their opinions of him, whereas the Irish coaching staff won't do that. The same was true of Dave Kearney who was constantly referred to as a bad defender because of one game, despite the opposite being true.

Buer · 27-10-2017 11:38AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Adam Byrne's defense has actually been improved this season up to the Monty game. People are letting one single game colour their opinions of him

I don't think he covered himself in glory against Munster either.

errlloyd · 27-10-2017 11:40AM

Buer wrote: »

I don't think he covered himself in glory against Munster either.

He did absolutely embarrass one of the Munster wingers in the air that day. Can't' remember if it was Earls or Conway.

27-10-2017 11:42AM

errlloyd wrote: »

He did absolutely embarrass one of the Munster wingers in the air that day. Can't' remember if it was Earls or Conway.

It was Earls. Conway ended up covering his wing in defence in the second half when Leinster were in position to put in a contestable kick.

connachta · 27-10-2017 11:42AM

Former Former wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

You can all find "good reasons" or "live with it" but McCartney ahead of Herring and TOH ahead of Keaney(s)/Byrne is common sense. Considereing Farrell (Chris) as limited is, too

Noboby will change his mind, and that's ok, enough said, we agree to disagree

McCartney?

So, you drop a guy with 50-caps as a way of building for the future... and you replace him with an uncapped guy who's a year older?

Do you see the problem?

The TOH thing is done to death. When he learns how to defend, he'll be back. [For the same reasons, I wouldn't have picked Adam Byrne]

Herring has 50 caps?:O

irishbucsfan · 27-10-2017 11:42AM

Buer wrote: »

I don't think he covered himself in glory against Munster either.

Maybe for that try, apart from that did well. Which is an improvement.

He's improving though which is important, I reckon it'll be a strength of his before we know it. Coachable guys are extremely valuable and always end up getting the benefit of the doubt, we saw the same with Earls.

dub_skav · 27-10-2017 11:49AM

errlloyd wrote: »

He did absolutely embarrass one of the Munster wingers in the air that day. Can't' remember if it was Earls or Conway.

It was Peter O'Mahony :P

thomond2006 · 27-10-2017 11:53AM

dub_skav wrote: »

It was Peter O'Mahony :P

Cork Con and Ireland winger extraordinaire!

Former Former · 27-10-2017 11:53AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Adam Byrne's defense has actually been improved this season up to the Monty game. People are letting one single game colour their opinions of him, whereas the Irish coaching staff won't do that.

I'm certainly not.

As noted above, he was poor against Munster too, roasted against Montpelier and then dropped against Glasgow... and this was continuing on a theme from last season.

He did look to have improved and I'm delighted he's been called up but he has to keep improving or he won't get many caps.

27-10-2017 11:54AM

dub_skav wrote: »

It was Peter O'Mahony :P

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irishbucsfan · 27-10-2017 12:14PM

Former Former wrote: »

I'm certainly not.

As noted above, he was poor against Munster too, roasted against Montpelier and then dropped against Glasgow... and this was continuing on a theme from last season.

He did look to have improved and I'm delighted he's been called up but he has to keep improving or he won't get many caps.

Poor against Munster? Nah

One moment in a match does not make a poor performance. He was solid, and that was continuing on a theme from this season. And now he's been rewarded for that improvement. If he was as poor this season as you're suggesting he would continue to be ignored by national selectors.

Burkie1203 · 27-10-2017 12:56PM

connachta wrote: »

Herring has 50 caps?:O

Cronin

connachta · 27-10-2017 01:02PM

I know, Former Former pretends not to understand who I pointed out

27-10-2017 01:25PM

Former Former wrote: »

The TOH thing is done to death. When he learns how to defend, he'll be back.

How have you come to this opinion?

mfceiling · 27-10-2017 01:38PM

Former Former wrote: »

With Bowe finished, the dreamboat quotient is getting dangerously low.

It would be madness to leave out someone as handsome as Dave Kearney and leave Rob to shoulder all the burden.

Have you seen the shoulders on rob though?

They carry the weight of the ladies admiration on them.

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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781