Testing exemption for all vintage vehicles

PanhardPL · 29-09-2017 8:32pm #1

Minister Shane Ross has signed the S.I's exempting all pre 1980 Vehicles including Commercial Vehicles which are being used solely for non-commercial purposes from testing and from May 2018 there will be a 2 year test for Vehicles between 30 and 40 years. From 2020 there will be a move to a rolling 40 year exemption.

unkel · 29-09-2017 8:57pm

PanhardPL wrote: »

from May 2018 there will be a 2 year test for Vehicles between 30 and 40 years. From 2020 there will be a move to a rolling 40 year exemption.

So you are saying that from January 2nd 2020, a car first registered on January 1st 1980 no longer needs an NCT?

And that from May 2nd 2018, a car registered on or before May 1st 1988 gets a 2 year NCT?

Any link?

kadman · 29-09-2017 9:27pm

Does that meant that an 87 camper that now does a yearly DOE, will automatically get a 2 year CVRT??

PanhardPL · 29-09-2017 9:46pm

S.I.413 of 2017 Commercial Vehicle Roadworthiness (Vehicle Testing) (Amendment) Regulations 2017

S.I.414 of 2017 Authorisation of Comercial Vehicle Roadworthiness Test Operators And Testes (Amendment) Regulations 2017

S.I.415 of 2017 Road Traffic (National Car Test) Regulations 2017

Details of above to be found on http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/statutory.html

unkel · 29-09-2017 9:54pm

S.I.415 alone is 75 pages :eek:

elperello · 29-09-2017 10:00pm

Thanks for the link Panhard PL

Lots to take in there

Looks like a reasonable advance

Testacalda · 29-09-2017 11:53pm

Got an email from the VVTA (truck association) about this this evening. A rolling exemption is good news for us. I must say I think that this is a very reasonable, common sense approach, which is rare nowadays!

So its a test every 2 years between 30 and 40 years old, and exempt after 40 years? Good!

Isambard · 30-09-2017 10:56am

kadman wrote: »

Does that meant that an 87 camper that now does a yearly DOE, will automatically get a 2 year CVRT??

it seems to be the case,which is good as my camper is 1987. Exempt from 2027

Dades · 30-09-2017 2:08pm

Super news. I'm actually amazed they softened the regulations. Great news for 80s and 90s cars that might well have otherwise be destined for the scrappers.

My 1983 is due its annual NCT at the end of October this year. I guess I'll have to wait till October 2018 to get a two year cert? That is somewhat annoying that someone who's NCT date is six months later will get 24 months.

elperello · 30-09-2017 6:42pm

Probably timely to propose a vote of thanks to all the organisations, clubs and individuals who helped to bring about this result. Not forgetting the folks at Irish Vintage Scene who kept us updated.
Well done everyone!!

Silvera · 30-09-2017 10:22pm

Now if only they would apply the same common sense by allowing (unissued) pre-1987 registrations to be issued to classic and vintage vehicles?!

kadman · 01-10-2017 11:49am

Isambard wrote: »

it seems to be the case,which is good as my camper is 1987. Exempt from 2027

Me too:)

Isambard · 01-10-2017 12:12pm

all i have to do is keep it going until then and then it can gently crumble away into dust, as indeed might I too by then

w124man · 01-10-2017 12:38pm

So for a short period of time a 1979 reg vehicle will need an NCT. Between May and December 2018

hi5 · 01-10-2017 3:29pm

w124man wrote: »

So for a short period of time a 1979 reg vehicle will need an NCT. Between May and December 2018

No. The existing regulations stand until May 2018 (NCT exempt), and then....

(9) Subject to paragraphs (4) and (7), section 18 and these Regulations do
not apply to a vehicle—
(a) which has reached the fortieth anniversary of its first registration,
(b) first registered prior to 1 January 1980, or
(c) which is used solely on an off-shore island,
(d) on the day on which a test certificate in respect of the vehicle had
been refused,
(e) in the 24 hour period prior to a test appointment in the case of a
vehicle heretofore used solely on an off-shore island attending for a
first test provided evidence of the appointment is produced, or
(f) which is owned or operated by the Garda Síochána or the Defence
Forces.

Statute 415, page 9, section 9,(b)

But you will need a CVRT until May 2018 and then.....

(d) the introduction of an exemption for vehicles first registered prior to 1
January 1980 which are being used solely for non-commercial purposes
which will move to a rolling 40 year exemption in 2020 with vehicles
between 30 and 40 years of age (used solely for non-commercial purposes)
being required to undergo compulsory roadworthiness testing biennially
(every second year) instead of annually from 20 May 2018.

Statute 413, page 16, section (d).

choppermutt · 02-10-2017 9:29pm

I must be a bit slow but i Didn't follow the last comment....

Does a 1979 reg car need an NCT between May and December of 2018?

Isambard · 02-10-2017 10:23pm

no

see 9b

elperello · 19-10-2017 10:40pm

Item about this in the November Irish Vintage Scene Magazine.
Apparently there were over 2000 submissions to the RSA consultation and a similar exercise in the UK attracted 2217 submissions.
Quite an effort given the difference in population.

By the way there is a good article about Aston Martins in Ireland with some lovely pics.

(No connection just a happy subscriber.)

corglass · 20-10-2017 11:50am

Ok so I've a 1980 Landcruiser that's classed as passenger and currently subject to annual NCT. Do I now go to 2 yearly NCT? When is this effective from?

elperello · 20-10-2017 11:56am

corglass wrote: »

Ok so I've a 1980 Landcruiser that's classed as passenger and currently subject to annual NCT. Do I now go to 2 yearly NCT? When is this effective from?

It's in this thread.

Dades · 20-10-2017 3:27pm

corglass wrote: »

Ok so I've a 1980 Landcruiser that's classed as passenger and currently subject to annual NCT. Do I now go to 2 yearly NCT? When is this effective from?

From my reading of it is the next time you do an NCT after May 2018, you will get 2 years as your car is between 30 & 40 years old.

From 2020 onwards it will be exempt (I guess when it hits the 40 year mark from the date of registration).

corglass · 20-10-2017 7:09pm

Dades wrote: »

corglass wrote: »

Ok so I've a 1980 Landcruiser that's classed as passenger and currently subject to annual NCT. Do I now go to 2 yearly NCT? When is this effective from?

From my reading of it is the next time you do an NCT after May 2018, you will get 2 years as your car is between 30 & 40 years old.

From 2020 onwards it will be exempt (I guess when it hits the 40 year mark from the date of registration).

Thanks, that's a much more helpful reply than the first one I got.

commited · 20-10-2017 9:28pm

Dades wrote: »

From my reading of it is the next time you do an NCT after May 2018, you will get 2 years as your car is between 30 & 40 years old.

From 2020 onwards it will be exempt (I guess when it hits the 40 year mark from the date of registration).

Oh man, my NCT is due in Feb :(If I hold out (no big deal as it will be off road until May), I wonder would I get a 2 year NCT?

Isambard · 20-10-2017 9:32pm

I mentioned in my CVRT centre yesterday that next time I'd be getting a two year cert and they had not heard about the changes.

elperello · 20-10-2017 9:40pm

corglass wrote: »

Thanks, that's a much more helpful reply than the first one I got.

Sorry I was in a hurry at the time and only had time to send you a quick pointer.
It was intended to be helpful.

Skatedude · 20-10-2017 9:54pm

Just for clarification, cars that are between 10 and 29 years old will still have to have a yearly nct?

Dades · 20-10-2017 10:19pm

commited wrote: »

Oh man, my NCT is due in Feb :(If I hold out (no big deal as it will be off road until May), I wonder would I get a 2 year NCT?

I would be thinking that too in your position!

Mine is due this month and considering I got penalty points last year for being out of date, I can't wait till May.

unkel · 02-11-2017 11:06pm

My '87 passed the NCT this evening. Valid until 10/2018. The good thing is that it then will only ever need an NCT in '18 / '20 / '22 / '24 / '26 and then is forever NCT free?

Happy days so

Tazio · 03-11-2017 1:06am

My 81 passed a few weeks ago too..I've mixed feelings.... playing devil's advocate here but as a car nut I do see the benefits of some formal testing..(bring on the hate..

).. 55quid for brake / suspension / structural integrity check is good value imo... maybe not every year.. but maybe on first registration or every say 2 to 4 years? It'll just keep owners on there toes and it's good to have a 2ns set of eyes....

I've a 72 too that I'd like to put through next spring just for a sheet with numbers... it's a cheap test for the testing involved imo....

I've legallyone more test on the 81... but I'll still run it through every 24 months just for the hell of it. And get some numbers on a sheet to let my inner amateur mechanic know how good or bad I am..

unkel · 03-11-2017 1:53am

I couldn't agree more. Putting the car through the NCT every year might be a pain in the hole, but it is great value for money for a very thorough test. My car had a brand new MOT, but obviously the NCT is so strict and thorough, that it didn't pass until all brake lines were replaced and one side of a sill was welded.

Pretty sure you can put a car through voluntarily though, even when it doesn't need a test. You might want to check that out.

Isambard · 03-11-2017 9:02am

and if you did put it through in a year it didn't need testing and it failed on something trivial, it wouldn't need to be off the road as it would still have a valid cert.

unkel · 03-11-2017 9:53am

Isambard wrote: »

and if you did put it through in a year it didn't need testing and it failed on something trivial, it wouldn't need to be off the road as it would still have a valid cert.

That's the very reason I always try and put my cars through 3 months early. There is no problem scheduling any NCT early, so there really is not much of an excuse running out of NCT while waiting for a part or trying to sort an issue out.

commited · 03-11-2017 10:13am

Dades wrote: »

I would be thinking that too in your position!

Mine is due this month and considering I got penalty points last year for being out of date, I can't wait till May.

I wonder if it would work or would I just end up with a Feb 19 expiry date regardless

Assuming I pass, that is... :pac:

Dades · 03-11-2017 10:37am

Tazio wrote: »

My 81 passed a few weeks ago too..I've mixed feelings.... playing devil's advocate here but as a car nut I do see the benefits of some formal testing..(bring on the hate.. ).. 55quid for brake / suspension / structural integrity check is good value imo... maybe not every year.. but maybe on first registration or every say 2 to 4 years? It'll just keep owners on there toes and it's good to have a 2ns set of eyes....

It is for the best that there is some formal testing, but for vintage cars they really need to move a bunch of stuff from the "fail" column into the "advisory" column.

I'm looking at you, "weak washer spray" and "rear fog light indicator lamp". It's that type of anal nit-picking that has people going NOPE and driving around with no test at all.

unkel · 03-11-2017 10:55am

My car failed on corroded brake lines and structural weakness in one part of one sill - fair enough. Professionally fixed.

And indeed, the third thing it failed on "insufficient washer spray". My comment to the tester was: "really?" :rolleyes: Made it a little bit better myself by poking into the sprayer holes with a thick needle and twisting the tubes to turn their direction. It improved a bit and it passed.

ht9zni1gs28crp · 03-11-2017 11:07am

Had my 85 in recently and immediately I got off to a bad rapport with the guy testing it. I mentioned out of love for my car that its a dog leg manual before he took the keys. Talk about looking at you as if you had forty heads, then asked was it petrol. My heart sank at that moment....

Four other cars passed through from start to finish in the time he took going over mine. Ive never seen a car in for test as long and I put three cars each year personally through let alone travel with mates cars too. I've since heard a couple of others had bad run ins with him. Just general attitude of laughing at ''my car is precious and not an tee diddly eye please look after it''

I wonder is there anything to be said for trained 'vintage' testers in each NCT centre? Lads with experience of older cars etc....

SmartinMartin · 03-11-2017 11:07am

My car failed the nct for a hairline crack in a rear brake light. I covered it with red electrical tape and twenty minutes later it passed.

Silvera · 03-11-2017 11:08am

Have to agree with most of the comments here. My Monza just passed her second NCT which will now make her more appealing to potential buyers

(will be sad to see her go)

elperello · 03-11-2017 2:51pm

Jennifer Drab Nutrient wrote: »

Had my 85 in recently and immediately I got off to a bad rapport with the guy testing it. I mentioned out of love for my car that its a dog leg manual before he took the keys. Talk about looking at you as if you had forty heads, then asked was it petrol. My heart sank at that moment....

Four other cars passed through from start to finish in the time he took going over mine. Ive never seen a car in for test as long and I put three cars each year personally through let alone travel with mates cars too. I've since heard a couple of others had bad run ins with him. Just general attitude of laughing at ''my car is precious and not an tee diddly eye please look after it''

I wonder is there anything to be said for trained 'vintage' testers in each NCT centre? Lads with experience of older cars etc....

Hard to be sure when the vintage guy would be on when you are booking.

I'd recommend Sunday morning testing. More relaxed atmosphere.

Tazio · 03-11-2017 6:12pm

^^ agreed with weekend testing. I've used Little Island in Cork and found the testers very careful and sympathetic to the cars idiosyncrasies... or lack of syncromesh!

they were happy for a 3 min chat before test to find out how the control's worked. I was also allowed to accompany car for part of test when cleared with supervisor. Just my experience..

A formal test for critical safety systems is good idea.. and advisories for the rest. I'd guess most classic cars see sunny Sunday spins not heavy motorway traffic on a winter's night..

elperello · 03-11-2017 6:17pm

Silvera wrote: »

Have to agree with most of the comments here. My Monza just passed her second NCT which will now make her more appealing to potential buyers (will be sad to see her go)

I guess the new sweet spot to sell will be just on the 40 year mark with a string of NCT history.

unkel · 04-11-2017 12:24am

No such thing as relaxed / informal testing in Fonthill. The busiest NCT centre in the country by a long shot! The good thing is that it seems to be open from 7AM to 10PM 7 days a week or something like that. 6 lanes in continuous use (usually 2 cars in every lane at any given time). So booking in is easy.

elperello · 04-11-2017 12:29am

unkel wrote: »

No such thing as relaxed / informal testing in Fonthill. The busiest NCT centre in the country by a long shot! The good thing is that it seems to be open from 7AM to 10PM 7 days a week or something like that. 6 lanes in continuous use (usually 2 cars in every lane at any given time). So booking in is easy.

One of the testers in my local centre told me they had a guy in with a classic Porsche who booked in to them specifically to get away from Fonthill. Apparently he enjoyed the run down the country and the more personal service.

tom petty · 04-11-2017 1:14pm

Jennifer Drab Nutrient wrote: »

Had my 85 in recently and immediately I got off to a bad rapport with the guy testing it. I mentioned out of love for my car that its a dog leg manual before he took the keys. Talk about looking at you as if you had forty heads, then asked was it petrol. My heart sank at that moment....

Four other cars passed through from start to finish in the time he took going over mine. Ive never seen a car in for test as long and I put three cars each year personally through let alone travel with mates cars too. I've since heard a couple of others had bad run ins with him. Just general attitude of laughing at ''my car is precious and not an tee diddly eye please look after it''

I wonder is there anything to be said for trained 'vintage' testers in each NCT centre? Lads with experience of older cars etc....

I have used the same test centre for 12 years now and have never had a tester that would engage with me , they are truly a sullen lot.
When I took my E24 to them I very politely showed him that the bonnet catch has to be manually re engaged when closing and that it would not latch like other cars by dropping it from a height. He still managed to slam it with some force twice before I got to him and just stared at me with utter disregard for the damage he was about to inflict when I asked him wtf he was doing.........
I absolutely despise them and hate trusting them with my cars.
I would travel a great distance for a caring tester.

Isambard · 04-11-2017 1:27pm

earlier in the year my CVRT tester for my camper failed it because it wouldn't rev for the smoke test and the engine was knocking..... 2 litre pinto...rolleyes smilie (Tesco yellow pack version)....

Dades · 04-11-2017 10:29pm

elperello wrote: »

One of the testers in my local centre told me they had a guy in with a classic Porsche who booked in to them specifically to get away from Fonthill. Apparently he enjoyed the run down the country and the more personal service.

My classic Porsche just had torrid time at Fonthill.

I'll be off elsewhere for the retest.

Once or twice I've had a decent tester who'd say something human or do something like test the handbrake a couple of times to pass it, but mostly they're a robotic bunch.

I wonder are they on quotas or something to catch a certain amount of things....

elperello · 04-11-2017 10:52pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

My BEAT normally gets a good reaction from most people but not the NCT crowd. Lots of grumbles and complaints despite the fact its fine. Lots of disgruntled/angry people in the NCT centres I visit...

They are not all bad.

A couple of years ago the day I had to go for the test it was pouring rain.
I never usually take it out in the rain.
When the guy testing was finished he came to the door and called me in.
I thought oh **** it's failed.
He smiled and handed me my pass cert and brought me out through the test lane where he had left it just inside the door.

Nice car, says he, take her straight home out of the rain!

gavman1 · 06-11-2017 12:27pm

Cant really say ive had very bad experiences with testers although some of them are drunk with power but if a guy starts slamming my bonnet shut continuously im afraid thats vandalism not a safety check.i am very protective of my bmer and would prob get arrested it that were to happen to me.they just dont have the right to damage my car,dont care who they are

commited · 06-11-2017 6:05pm

tom petty wrote: »

I have used the same test centre for 12 years now and have never had a tester that would engage with me , they are truly a sullen lot.
When I took my E24 to them I very politely showed him that the bonnet catch has to be manually re engaged when closing and that it would not latch like other cars by dropping it from a height. He still managed to slam it with some force twice before I got to him and just stared at me with utter disregard for the damage he was about to inflict when I asked him wtf he was doing.........
I absolutely despise them and hate trusting them with my cars.
I would travel a great distance for a caring tester.

I've had a mixed bag. My Golf GTI brought a lot of positive comments from the testers (both on failure and the successful NCT), but my Mini years ago got abused and left damaged by an indignant *******.

unkel · 07-11-2017 1:22am

Dades wrote: »

I wonder are they on quotas or something to catch a certain amount of things....

I mostly can't fault the NCT test, but I have been getting the impression more than once that they are extremely "thorough" when it comes to nicer / older / more exotic cars.

kadman · 07-11-2017 9:41am

Even when a car passes all the stringent computer checks, the tester is able to use the old

"visual refusal" stinger in the tail excuse to fail a perfectly roadworthy car, and get you to

comeback with more money.

I,ve never had a computer related failure on 5 family cars for over the last 10 years, doing yearly

tests.

Most recent " visual fail" was for a new suspension bush that had less than 2k miles on a laguna.

Axle slip test said it was 100%.

Nct is a money making scam, using laptop mechanics.

Some of my visual fails.......possible worn petrol filler cap seal.......number plate letter ink run......6mm hole in bottom

edge of rear wheel arch.

But in fairness i did test a car with a long split silencer in a seicento for devilment.....it passed.

Testing exemption for all vintage vehicles

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