Saorview Connect

lsjmhar wrote: »

Looks like the best thing to do here is give this a miss. Sticking with enigma2 box with plugins that increase functionality. Oh well!! We lived in hope!!!

Indeed. Which is better than anything thats been developed for the connect box. They should have stuck to the basics of channel integration, internal HDD functionality, and then the connected part. If a sub €100 box can do it, then a €220 box should.

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Johnboy1951 wrote: »

keribillen wrote: »

Hi! I can't add any specific tech info due to NDA and general commercial sensitivity. But they are market-proven and switchable between T2 and S2. And Nordig compliant!

If the tuners are market proven I guess they are used in other STBs also.
So can you tell us what other STBs have this type of tuner?
Some of your own products?
As I posted earlier I have read some blurb sheets indicating the use of these tuners but they were not very clear and led to some confusion.

What parts of the spec. do you think are flawed? I know that some are unhappy with the absence of Saorsat, 4K, HEVC, Netflix and the deferred PVR.  What else?
To be fair to the customer they wanted PVR from the outset but given the short time involved from Start to October, EKT advised the customer to implement PVR later than initial product launch. The product is a hybrid with three 'spaces' (DVB-T, DVB-S, Connect), so managing the UI, pop-ups and clash management between them all is something best not done in a rush.

Yes, as you have read this thread you get a fair idea of the expectations of those posting.

On the matter of the use of the tuners ....... when switched 'on the fly' from DVB-T to DVB-S and with only one Satellite cable attached what happens? Is the second tuner locked to the same transponder as the first?
Can a second Sat cable be attached to the second connector to allow two independent Sat tuners?

Hello, yes other STBs we have sold include the tuners. The Saorview Connect box is not the first and therefore not taking any risk with them.
As I have said in other replies to others on this forum, the second connector is disabled at the outset. It is there for any future upgrades that might necessitate it. A single connector satisfies the customer's launch requirements but we've left the second connector on it (it is part of our baseline design) in case it is needed in future.

Regards,
Keri

JDxtra wrote: »

The Cush wrote: »

keribillen wrote: »

The specs. a few of you have seen on the EKT website are generic. They’re not specific to the Powerpoint box so I would not speculate too much based on what you see.

EKT started developing the box February 2017. The ambition at the outset was to get a box to market in October this year. This meant that adding PVR was best deferred. PVR functionality on a hybrid box is a significant integration and testing activity, so getting this working on top of everything else in 9mths adds significant risk to the schedule. We have the software ready internally but on top of that there is integration with the user interface and the other functions on the box (clash management etc.). Anyway we’re working on it as planned, with no hurdles or obstacles for you to be concerned about. It’ll be ready in the first half of next year and we can clearly see and feel the demand for it. We’ll bring it in as fast as we can.

First off thanks for joining the conversation.

Regarding the PVR functionality, are we stuck with an external HDD?
What HbbTV version has been included, v2.0.1 is Nordig mandatory from late 2018 I believe.

Asked twice now, separate programme guides for Saorview and FTA satellite?

You say you started this project at the beginning of the year, I assume another company withdrew before that?

Hello,
I'm sorry that you asked twice already but please understand I am doing this voluntarily in my own time. Furthermore the structure of the forum makes it very difficult to see who has replied and when.
Yes, separate UI areas for Saorview and satellite.
Best regards,
Keri
JDxtra;104870161

keribillen wrote: »

The EPG for satellite will be Now/Next only. This is a commercial matter, not because of a technical restriction in the box.
MHEG5 is supported.
Kind regards,

Hi Kerri,

Will the satellite channels be organised in any way automatically, or will the end user have to tune these in and mange it themselves (like you would with a generic receiver today)?

There will be a default listing and ordering provided, and a UI available for manual sorting if the user wishes.

keribillen wrote: »

Hello, yes other STBs we have sold include the tuners. The Saorview Connect box is not the first and therefore not taking any risk with them.
As I have said in other replies to others on this forum, the second connector is disabled at the outset. It is there for any future upgrades that might necessitate it. A single connector satisfies the customer's launch requirements but we've left the second connector on it (it is part of our baseline design) in case it is needed in future.

Regards,
Keri

As I understand what you have posted each tuner can operate either as a DVB-T/2 or DVB-S/2 tuner.
That switching is done 'on the fly' via software as I understand you.

Does each tuner then have two inputs? ..... one for each mode ..... or is there some other arrangement?

keribillen wrote: »

Each tuner has a separate input for S2 and T2.

Thanks ..... so only one tuner in use at any time?

Is there an advantage in doing it this way?
Cost?
Size?

STB. wrote: »

Because of the language used in your spec sheet (multiformat tuner) people here had been speculating as to what you had implemented on this STB. So basically there are two seperate tuners like you would find in any set top box ? Because you had said earlier that



So is this the case ? Is this one of the new Serit NIMS (FTM4862H/FTM4862V)which allows full band capture of either terrestrial or satellite on each input.

You may have missed my other questions here

The implication up to now with 'switching on the fly', was that only one tuner could be used at any one time and not the two together.

Now it might seem it it just a two tuner model, one DVB-T/2 and the other DVB-S/2.

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

The implication up to now with 'switching on the fly', was that only one tuner could be used at any one time and not the two together.

The speculation up to now is that they were full band combo tuners that allowed the reception of dvb-t2 or dvb-s2 on each input and which was configured through the software "on the fly". I hadnt seen one until I came across the new Serit NIMS that allow that, but who knows ? The response you have received is that they are specific NIMS, one for DVB-T2 and one for DVB-S2. These NIMS would capture nothing other than that band which makes the previous statement untrue.

Tuner hopping i.e the ability to view/record one and hop to another (or switch seamlessly within a favourites menu containing both T2 and S2 types) goes without saying. Its implemented on every box off the shelf.

EDIT: However I notice now that the project manager with EKT has mentioned a seperate User Interface for each tuner. I guess that means that there is no combined interface for mixing both sets of channels from DVB-T and DVB-s2 sources. You just couldnt make this stuff up.

Keri. For the box anoraks, can we have a few screenshots of the UI etc

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Astra 2D is tight enough. It only overspills here, Iceland and a bit of France. So only a few % extra viewers at most, it's still cheaper than paying for the encryption and the cards and the handling and support. The previous beam covered lots of Europe where there are 300 million people who have some degree of English, which is why they had to use Free To View cards.

Technically they could put a tighter shaped beam on the next satellite up which would mean we'd have to get bigger dishes. I can't see them moving to the Ka beams like Saorsat because so many people there are already pointing at Astra.

Astra 2D was replaced a long time ago by E F G. The "spot beam" for example containing Freesat stations like the ITVs, BBC's and C4s is 2G. Its EIRP is 52dBw. You could use a 50cm dish (if you could find one that small) with the pattern.

Thats no overspill.



I cant see them moving either but there are references to commercial decisions in relation to epg data being turned down when the streams swamp the country. Sorry its either one or the other.

STB. wrote: »

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

The implication up to now with 'switching on the fly', was that only one tuner could be used at any one time and not the two together.

The speculation up to now is that they were full band combo tuners that allowed the reception of dvb-t2 or dvb-s2 on each input and which was configured through the software "on the fly". I hadnt seen one until I came across the new Serit NIMS that allow that, but who knows ? The response you have received is that they are specific NIMS, one for DVB-T2 and one for DVB-S2. These NIMS would capture nothing other than that band which makes the previous statement untrue.

Tuner hopping i.e the ability to view/record one and hop to another (or switch seamlessly within a favourites menu containing both T2 and S2 types) goes without saying. Its implemented on every box off the shelf.

EDIT: However I notice now that the project manager with EKT has mentioned a seperate User Interface for each tuner. I guess that means that there is no combined interface for mixing both sets of channels from DVB-T and DVB-s2 sources. You just couldnt make this stuff up.

Keri. For the box anoraks, can we have a few screenshots of the UI etc

No, sorry. This is commercially sensitive. The reason for having separate spaces for T and S (in the same UI) is entirely commercial. Technically easy of course but there are good commercials reasons for keeping it separate, which I won’t disclose.

When PVR is enabled then two tuners can be used at once: all combinations of T2 and S2....Record and watch/playback of both/either. This is why switching between T and S on the fly comes into its own

keribillen wrote: »

When PVR is enabled then two tuners can be used at once: all combinations of T2 and S2....Record and watch/playback of both/either. This is why switching between T and S on the fly comes into its own

But are you saying that only one tuner will be available on 1st release - meaning only 1 thing can be done at any one time?

So if a satellite program is recording one can't watch a saorview channel as the tuner is taken up?

The Cush wrote: »

There is no record option at the moment so second tuner not required, external PVR functionality to be added next year.

If that is the case so when you go into the catch up mode will one be able to see any live tv in a small box on the screen? Or does the tuner not revert to c2/catch up tv mode until you actually select a catchup programme?

The Cush wrote: »

Catch-up Tv? On-demand? is the connected broadband part via the Ethernet/WiFi connection, nothing to do with the tuners.

I don't know.
This is the box one presumes it is based on.
DXD7025
Dual Multi-format Tuner HYBRID HD STB
The DXD7025 is a high performance, high definition, Hybrid STB with EKT’s own solidTV software solution. It boasts two Multi-format Tuners allowing for Full HD reception of either DVB-T / T2 / S / S2 / C or C2.

Is the C/C2 only for cable tv?