Dairy chit chat II

Keepgrowing · 07-10-2017 10:20AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lol.
High maintenance ladies that like their creature comforts!

I certainly wouldn't have the mental capacity or the skill St to manage them. I love a nice and simple system of getting milk out the gate with as little labour input or complications

Gawddawggonnit · 07-10-2017 10:21AM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Be better using more beef bulls and slaughtering or better still selling as calves

I reckon that the drought has lead to a forage shortage so demand is plummeting.

In the last 5-6yrs I've seen, there has only been one year where dairy stock made reasonable money.
We're doing calf to beef and there's much better returns than producing dairy replacements.

Gawddawggonnit · 07-10-2017 10:24AM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

I love a nice and simple system of getting milk out the gate with as little labour input or complications

So do I...

Keepgrowing · 07-10-2017 10:28AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I reckon that the drought has lead to a forage shortage so demand is plummeting.

In the last 5-6yrs I've seen, there has only been one year where dairy stock made reasonable money.
We're doing calf to beef and there's much better returns than producing dairy replacements.

Loads of stock available here for sub €1200 with the exception of well bred Xbreds which are as scarce as hens teeth. This price has seen no inflation. Each heifer calved into our parlour stands at €1324 each and that's not counting the % lost from first to second lactation. For me it's way more profitable to milk these ladies and cull from the bottom of our herd.

We are now aiming for minimal dairy ai, just enough to cover replacement rare and will buy stock if extra are required, it's just too expensive to rear heifers

mahoney_j · 07-10-2017 12:38PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Loads of stock available here for sub €1200 with the exception of well bred Xbreds which are as scarce as hens teeth. This price has seen no inflation. Each heifer calved into our parlour stands at €1324 each and that's not counting the % lost from first to second lactation. For me it's way more profitable to milk these ladies and cull from the bottom of our herd.

We are now aiming for minimal dairy ai, just enough to cover replacement rare and will buy stock if extra are required, it's just too expensive to rear heifers

Agree with most of that ,I take it I weren’t at Lisduff sale last Saturday ????.hol calves making over 1 k in calf heifers and milking heifers up to 2700 well bred hol stock with good records etc will always command a premium and tbf good x bred stock will do but at much lower prices ,seen nice first cross psq heifers from milky hols make 1400 recently

yewtree · 07-10-2017 01:08PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Agree with most of that ,I take it I weren’t at Lisduff sale last Saturday ????.hol calves making over 1 k in calf heifers and milking heifers up to 2700 well bred hol stock with good records etc will always command a premium and tbf good x bred stock will do but at much lower prices ,seen nice first cross psq heifers from milky hols make 1400 recently

Those sales from high profile herds are no reflection of the commerical market though, its the name thats adding to the price.

mahoney_j · 07-10-2017 01:21PM

yewtree wrote: »

Those sales from high profile herds are no reflection of the commerical market though, its the name thats adding to the price.

We’re talking top stock here tho and also on the x bred side .the sale of Lisduff in particular is very top end and attracts buyers from all over my simple point top quality well bred stock will always command a premium and rightly so

blackdog1 · 07-10-2017 01:51PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

That green stuff that they'd have to eat in Ireland would kill them in no time...is it possible that pure hols would consider Ireland a hell hole?

I have alot of French and Dutch bred pure holsteins in my farm and I find them no bother. They're good size animals with great solids not as big as Canadian and US holsteins and suit the Irish system well. I feed them about 1.2-1.5 tonne each.

freedominacup · 07-10-2017 02:54PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

I have alot of French and Dutch bred pure holsteins in my farm and I find them no bother. They're good size animals with great solids not as big as Canadian and US holsteins and suit the Irish system well. I feed them about 1.2-1.5 tonne each.

They're not as tall but they tip the scales at big weights. Weighed two culls yesterday. Still milking. 730kg. Use mainly Dutch and French bulls here also.

Keepgrowing · 07-10-2017 04:35PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

We’re talking top stock here tho and also on the x bred side .the sale of Lisduff in particular is very top end and attracts buyers from all over my simple point top quality well bred stock will always command a premium and rightly so

Lisduff isn't the commercial reality, very far from it. The reality is stock aren't commanding their cost of production in almost all scenarios.

Keepgrowing · 07-10-2017 04:36PM

freedominacup wrote: »

They're not as tall but they tip the scales at big weights. Weighed two culls yesterday. Still milking. 730kg. Use mainly Dutch and French bulls here also.

I love the Dutch stock, great powerful cows. Would that be your average weight and what kgms solids will they sell with adequate feeding?

mahoney_j · 07-10-2017 05:07PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Lisduff isn't the commercial reality, very far from it. The reality is stock aren't commanding their cost of production in almost all scenarios.

That I will agree with ,lads blowing there hole about getting great money for in calf heifers at 1000/1100 etc .lisduff may not be a commercial reality but they and there likes are trendsetters in breeding and managing stock to a very high level

cute geoge · 07-10-2017 05:27PM

lisduff herd might have being trendsetters back in the day but i do not think too many lads get carried away with lisduff records anymore .
That breeding does not fit in with commercial herds nowadays feeding a couple of kg of meal per day at max.

whelan2 · 07-10-2017 05:51PM

Bought 6 nice fr heifer calves 5 weeks old. €275 delivered. They'll do me

K.G. · 07-10-2017 05:54PM

Those stock are grand as long as the ration lorry keeps coming.alot of those sales rely on fellas buying from each other but hoping to suck in a few pound from joe soap.that said if they can make money from these kind a cows drive on.all i know any time i bought a few they never did well here.its like looking at porn-getting all excited about looking at girls that really are nt as good as the figures(pictures) and you probaly have better at home already only to mind them😁😁😁

Mooooo · 07-10-2017 06:28PM

freedominacup wrote: »

They're not as tall but they tip the scales at big weights. Weighed two culls yesterday. Still milking. 730kg. Use mainly Dutch and French bulls here also.

What sires would you use freedom?

mahoney_j · 07-10-2017 06:31PM

K.G. wrote: »

Those stock are grand as long as the ration lorry keeps coming.alot of those sales rely on fellas buying from each other but hoping to suck in a few pound from joe soap.that said if they can make money from these kind a cows drive on.all i know any time i bought a few they never did well here.its like looking at porn-getting all excited about looking at girls that really are nt as good as the figures(pictures) and you probaly have better at home already only to mind themðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

Without offending you ,should u not ask yourself they did not last or even why you bought stock like that .lot of lads incorrectly blaming the cow when in fact it’s the image staring back at them in the mirror .......
I wouldn’t touch stock from a lot of the ihfa herds as a lot just breed for type and milk when it’s milk solids and fertility and good functional traits like feet and unders that should be the aim

freedominacup · 07-10-2017 06:48PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

I love the Dutch stock, great powerful cows. Would that be your average weight and what kgms solids will they sell with adequate feeding?

I was surprised by the weights tbh. I think their fighting weight is probably 50kg lighter iykwim.

Still trying to find their commercial limit. Looking like they'll do 550-560kgs this year. They'll take all the feed you'll throw at them but I'm trying to find the sweetspot where they are staying healthy and delivering a good return from the inputs without starting to "buy" milk from them.

Edit; Average ebi of milking herd is €34 according to latest icbf report. Milk litres in 99% category and milk kg in 97%. Ci reduced by 25 days to 395 in past 12 months. Hoping to cut another bit off it this year. Low hanging fruit definitely been harvested on this plus the fact that we will always give a good cow a second bite at the cherry whether she is a winter or spring calver. Some of the culls calved 13/14 months ago and are still delivering around 20l.

K.G. · 07-10-2017 07:00PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Without offending you ,should u not ask yourself they did not last or even why you bought stock like that .lot of lads incorrectly blaming the cow when in fact it’s the image staring back at them in the mirror .......
I wouldn’t touch stock from a lot of the ihfa herds as a lot just breed for type and milk when it’s milk solids and fertility and good functional traits like feet and unders that should be the aim

No offence taken at all.its just that as quota was scarce ration feeding was at the minimum side and that dosnt suit them.but its not as simple as backing in the ration truck either and thats where kg comes unstuck.but for the future the system for me is maximum grass,maximum ration but minimum silage.at least until the costs change to dictate a different system.alot of nz fr in the herd but now firmly backing ebi from ireland.notice cows seem to be getting smaller but that could be my heifer rearing skills too

Timmaay · 07-10-2017 07:29PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Bought 6 nice fr heifer calves 5 weeks old. €275 delivered. They'll do me

Your pushing up the autumn numbers more? With all this talk about stock, I'm looking out for 25ish Feb calving heifers, ideally xbred, if anyone knows of a group for sale like that.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-10-2017 07:34PM

K.G. wrote: »

No offence taken at all.its just that as quota was scarce ration feeding was at the minimum side and that dosnt suit them.but its not as simple as backing in the ration truck either and thats where kg comes unstuck.but for the future the system for me is maximum grass,maximum ration but minimum silage.at least until the costs change to dictate a different system.alot of nz fr in the herd but now firmly backing ebi from ireland.notice cows seem to be getting smaller but that could be my heifer rearing skills too

That's due to the maintenance figure being used to promote a smaller type of cow.

And your heifer rearing skills:D

whelan2 · 07-10-2017 07:48PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Your pushing up the autumn numbers more? With all this talk about stock, I'm looking out for 25ish Feb calving heifers, ideally xbred, if anyone knows of a group for sale like that.

Only got 4fr heifer calves from my own ones. Fantastic run of bulls. The 6will just make up to what I normally have

K.G. · 07-10-2017 08:00PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

That's due to the maintenance figure being used to promote a smaller type of cow.

And your heifer rearing skills:D

Jayus i wouldnt want to have too much of an ego with you lot around.

Floki · 07-10-2017 08:41PM

There's lads operating flying herds now buying in milky "cull" cows not incalf for 7 - 800. Milking over the winter and fattening the following year.
Granted it'll only work with Holsteins and if the farmer selling them wants a compact calving season.

Not sure how long these buyers will be able to keep going with the swing to smaller high ebi lower volume higher fertility cows?

whelan2 · 07-10-2017 08:44PM

Floki wrote: »

There's lads operating flying herds now buying in milky "cull" cows not incalf for 7 - 800. Milking over the winter and fattening the following year.
Granted it'll only work with Holsteins and if the farmer selling them wants a compact calving season.

Not sure how long these buyers will be able to keep going with the swing to smaller high ebi lower volume higher fertility cows?

See a local farmer with empty cows for sale for 1200 euro !

Floki · 07-10-2017 08:52PM

whelan2 wrote: »

See a local farmer with empty cows for sale for 1200 euro !

There must be more lads and lassies following this business model so if they're
looking for that sort of money.:pac:

kevthegaff · 07-10-2017 08:58PM

Timmaay wrote:

Your pushing up the autumn numbers more? With all this talk about stock, I'm looking out for 25ish Feb calving heifers, ideally xbred, if anyone knows of a group for sale like that.

Looking for similar tim

whelan2 · 07-10-2017 09:07PM

Floki wrote: »

There must be more lads and lassies following this business model so if they're
looking for that sort of money.:pac:

chancing his arm

mahoney_j · 07-10-2017 11:01PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Looking for similar tim

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/16872885
20 In-calf Heifers Cross bred
Kev there’s a local bunch for ya ,don’t know would a toome man deal with a Nenagh man though !!!!

Keepgrowing · 08-10-2017 08:25AM

alps wrote: »

Is that going on ground that will be grazed again before closing?. We're really short of ground to spread on, and just wondering if we could dribble or inject into ground we would be grazing in 15 to 20 days time, would it be ok...

Here's a pic of where slurry was dribbled at 4k 3 days ago. Only for the tractor marks you'd not know it was done

Dairy chit chat II

Comments