Dairy chit chat II

blackdog1

Buford T. Justice V wrote:

It's good alright but it's a pain in the ass to use. It has to be dissolved first before being given and when there are a good few calves to do, it does get annoying giving a few mls to each calf. Halocur is just squirt and move on.

Halacour is a preventative not a cure parafor is a cure. Get it from your vet. If they don't have it pm me and ill find out the distributors name. My vet has stopped selling halacour.

Buford T. Justice XIX

blackdog1 wrote: »

Halacour is a preventative not a cure parafor is a cure. Get it from your vet. If they don't have it pm me and ill find out the distributors name. My vet has stopped selling halacour.

My vet only gets it for one customer now, everybody else is on Parafor.

visatorro

blackdog1 wrote: »

Halacour is a preventative not a cure parafor is a cure. Get it from your vet. If they don't have it pm me and ill find out the distributors name. My vet has stopped selling halacour.

I thought crypto was a virus with no cure and you just kept calf hydrated etc until it got over the virus?

rangler1

visatorro wrote: »

I thought crypto was a virus with no cure and you just kept calf hydrated etc until it got over the virus?

Crypto is some weird sort of a parasite and it''s very hard killed in sheds, walls etc, not easy to cure as well.
What do people use when disinfecting sheds, was talking about it to someone a few weeks ago, so must be a bit around.....like whelan, I suppose more autumn calvers calving inside because of the weather

jaymla627

This little ladies Halloween costume came today haha

Gawddawggonnit

rangler1 wrote: »

Crypto is some weird sort of a parasite and it''s very hard killed in sheds, walls etc, not easy to cure as well.
What do people use when disinfecting sheds, was talking about it to someone a few weeks ago, so must be a bit around.....like whelan, I suppose more autumn calvers calving inside because of the weather

Crypto has beaten me.
I've fumigated to an industrial level because I've the kit from the chicken houses, but to no avail.

Wet,damp and mild weather really suits it. Very hot weather sends it to cover. Very cold weather (and dry) also helps.

Rotavec vacc of cows with mothers colostrum for 4-5 days helps, but isn't failsafe. I wonder if it would survive a nuclear bomb...

whelan2

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Crypto has beaten me.
I've fumigated to an industrial level because I've the kit from the chicken houses, but to no avail.

Wet,damp and mild weather really suits it. Very hot weather sends it to cover. Very cold weather (and dry) also helps.

Rotavec vacc of cows with mothers colostrum for 4-5 days helps, but isn't failsafe. I wonder if it would survive a nuclear bomb...

It's just there to piss you off when you think everything is running smoothly

Buford T. Justice XIX

visatorro wrote: »

I thought crypto was a virus with no cure and you just kept calf hydrated etc until it got over the virus?

There's a link there on Crypto but it will have to be enlarged when you open it.

http://www.xlvets.ie/sites/xlvets.ie/files/press-article-files/Cryptosporidium%2520Article.pdf

It's a single celled organism that can resist most disinfectants and washing through its eggs being extremely resistant to just about everything. Taking calves off milk will seem to help but they scour again as soon as milk is back in the diet. Horrible, horrible disease. I still have nightmares about a shed full of sick calves scouring together once milk was back in their system:o

Gawddawggonnit

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

There's a link there on Crypto but it will have to be enlarged when you open it.

http://www.xlvets.ie/sites/xlvets.ie/files/press-article-files/Cryptosporidium%2520Article.pdf

It's a single celled organism that can resist most disinfectants and washing through its eggs being extremely resistant to just about everything. Taking calves off milk will seem to help but they scour again as soon as milk is back in the diet. Horrible, horrible disease. I still have nightmares about a shed full of sick calves scouring together once milk was back in their system:o

I've the t-shirt somewhere chief.

But to put a little perspective...I've had an awful lot worse in other lines of farming. Whelan's right, its there just to piss you off.

Wildsurfer

jaymla627 wrote: »

This little ladies Halloween costume came today haha

I wouldn't have had you down as a hipster jay!

Mooooo

rangler1 wrote: »

Crypto is some weird sort of a parasite and it''s very hard killed in sheds, walls etc, not easy to cure as well.
What do people use when disinfecting sheds, was talking about it to someone a few weeks ago, so must be a bit around.....like whelan, I suppose more autumn calvers calving inside because of the weather

I use cyclex here, dear stuff but seemed to work last year anyway. Powerwash first. Disinfect and leave dry. Used a hot washer when washing sheds. Gonna change older feeding equipment as well

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

I use cyclex here, dear stuff but seemed to work last year anyway. Powerwash first. Disinfect and leave dry. Used a hot washer when washing sheds. Gonna change older feeding equipment as well

dept vet told me to source oocide disenfectant from the north

Water John

Crypto is an occyst. Yeah it's like a hard shiny shell. Problem is, one of the buggers is enough. Very hard to get rid of.
Be very careful yourself, not pleasant. Can be risky, for vulnerable people.

blackdog1

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

Crypto has beaten me. I've fumigated to an industrial level because I've the kit from the chicken houses, but to no avail.

In the US they pasteurise all the milk and take the calf straight away. Did you fumigate with formalin?.

Gawddawggonnit

blackdog1 wrote: »

In the US they pasteurise all the milk and take the calf straight away. Did you fumigate with formalin?.

With rotavec, supposedly, the resistance to crypto gets passed from cow through colostrum to calf. After 5-7 days calf has to start to fend for itself to build resistance.
That's the speil here anyhow.

No I didn't fumigate with formalin. I used biocides that claimed to kill crypto. Can't remember the names now.

whelan2

All my cows have been done with rotavec, calves have got biestings

jaymla627

whelan2 wrote: »

All my cows have been done with rotavec, calves have got biestings

Do you still leave calves on cows for a few days, got wiped out here with it in 13, haven't got it since I started snatching calves from cows once their licked and put into individual pens, use halocur for the first 4 days on heifer calves with bulls not treated at all.....
I'd reckon it's when the calf is up looking for its suck of the mother, if crypto is present on the cow it's ingesting and it's game over then

Gawddawggonnit

whelan2 wrote: »

All my cows have been done with rotavec, calves have got biestings

Mild and wet weather?.....Paracur is your only hope.
I'm quite busy but I'll only make a conscious decision to start surveillance on calves when weather's mucky...usually only walk/drive past when calves are roaring and weather is 'clean'....

Gawddawggonnit

jaymla627 wrote: »

Do you still leave calves on cows for a few days, got wiped out here with it in 13, haven't got it since I started snatching calves from cows once their licked and put into individual pens, use halocur for the first 4 days on heifer calves with bulls not treated at all.....
I'd reckon it's when the calf is up looking for its suck of the mother, if crypto is present on the cow it's ingesting and it's game over then

Feck, is that your usual routine??


Sustainable? Good God and they want to ban glyphosate...

blackdog1

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

No I didn't fumigate with formalin. I used biocides that claimed to kill crypto. Can't remember the names now.

Formalin and hydrogen peroxide are the 2 disenfectants recommended by the US disease control centre:for crypto. If I was fumigating I'd use formalin. Problem is you could bring it in with the calf from calving area. I wonder if you dosed the dry cows with parafor would it kill the problem at source?

Gawddawggonnit

blackdog1 wrote: »

I wonder if you dosed the dry cows with parafor would it kill the problem at source?

Had that same thought myself.

Buford T. Justice XIX

blackdog1 wrote: »

Formalin and hydrogen peroxide are the 2 disenfectants recommended by the US disease control centre:for crypto. If I was fumigating I'd use formalin. Problem is you could bring it in with the calf from calving area. I wonder if you dosed the dry cows with parafor would it kill the problem at source?

Doubt it. Calves excrete millions of oocysts each day and only 3 are needed to start an infection.

Then there is the dosing for liveweight problems, would a 1kg bag dose many cows? Milk withdrawal? Meat withdrawal?

jaymla627

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Feck, is that your usual routine??


Sustainable? Good God and they want to ban glyphosate...

Yeah every cow is milked usually within half a hour of calving and calf bottle-fed mothers biestings, takes approximately 20 mins a calf but touchwood haven't lost a calf the past 4 years from scour/pneumonia, the big payback I find is while it's time consuming it pails in comparison to trying to deal with a crypto/Roto outbreak when calving season is in full swing

Gawddawggonnit

jaymla627 wrote: »

Yeah every cow is milked usually within half a hour of calving and calf bottle-fed mothers biestings, takes approximately 20 mins a calf but touchwood haven't lost a calf the past 4 years from scour/pneumonia, the big payback I find is while it's time consuming it pails in comparison to trying to deal with a crypto/Roto outbreak when calving season is in full swing

I just couldn't justify the amount of staff...


Fair dues. I know I wouldn't.

awaywithyou

rangler1 wrote: »

Crypto is some weird sort of a parasite and it''s very hard killed in sheds, walls etc, not easy to cure as well.
What do people use when disinfecting sheds, was talking about it to someone a few weeks ago, so must be a bit around.....like whelan, I suppose more autumn calvers calving inside because of the weather

We used Kenocoxx to disinfect calf pens etc.... Happy enuf wit it...

Parafor has the same active ingredient in it that is used to treat humans for crypto....

Was at a calf rearing open day back in the spring..... A man from the regional vet labs was there to tell us poor simpletons of farmers about crypto and how to prevent it and what to do in event of outbreak which included lots of electrolytes to affected calves... He had a good spiel going.... Parafor got no mention.... So eventually I had to ask why he hadn't mentioned Parafor as a treatment.... He looked at me as if I'd ten heads.... Said he never heard of it..... I told him it was mighty stuff...... He was fair rattled.... His presentation went downhill rapidly after that (that wasn my intention - I just asked a genuine question)

whelan2

Was half afraid checking the calves this morning . Was an ordeal to catch the one that was worst affected. Hopefully that's the end of crypto for a while

visatorro

Just on crypto, when people say feed the calve it's own cows milk for a week, do you store the beistings and give to the calve or just every milking take off some milk for the calf

blackdog1

visatorro wrote:

Just on crypto, when people say feed the calve it's own cows milk for a week, do you store the beistings and give to the calve or just every milking take off some milk for the calf

I like to store beistings from cows calved at grass and who have go rota. So if I ever get an outbreak again I can switch the new calves to this.

Gawddawggonnit

blackdog1 wrote: »

I like to store beistings from cows calved at grass and who have go rota. So if I ever get an outbreak again I can switch the new calves to this.

Why cows calved on grass?

blackdog1

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

Why cows calved on grass?

Cleaner environment. Before I used parafor I had a good disenfectant and I noticed that calves calved in the summer on grass and put into clean pens were fine but calves put into the same pens calved on straw got sick. Told me my problem was in the calving area so I then removed calves straight and put them on pasteurised beistings and I saw a huge improvement. But still the odd one. Pasteurised milk with parafor is the ultimate but very time consuming unless you have a professional pasturiser.... I only had a cheap one so it was hit and miss.