Eir rural FTTH thread

oscarBravo · 05-10-2017 11:24AM

addict wrote: »

Your ONT will be changed for digiweb one

Nope. The ONT is open eir's, it has nothing to do with the retail provider.

bfa1509 · 05-10-2017 02:33PM

oscarBravo wrote: »

Nope. The ONT is open eir's, it has nothing to do with the retail provider.

Hm, I had lads from Openeir in the house the other day fixing a phone fault. I asked them who installs the ONT and they told me it was KN. Maybe they were telling fibs out of fear of me asking them to do it for me.

The Cush · 05-10-2017 03:56PM

bfa1509 wrote: »

Hm, I had lads from Openeir in the house the other day fixing a phone fault. I asked them who installs the ONT and they told me it was KN. Maybe they were telling fibs out of fear of me asking them to do it for me.

KN working on behalf of open-eir.

oscarBravo · 05-10-2017 03:58PM

bfa1509 wrote: »

Hm, I had lads from Openeir in the house the other day fixing a phone fault. I asked them who installs the ONT and they told me it was KN. Maybe they were telling fibs out of fear of me asking them to do it for me.

KN are the installation contractors. They install the ONT for open eir.

A retail operator (like Digiweb) places an order with open eir, who subcontract the actual installation to KN. KN run the fibre to the house and install the ONT. The customer plugs the Digiweb router into the ONT and gets service.

If the customer switches to another retail operator, open eir will make the configuration changes required to connect the ONT to the new operator's network. The ONT doesn't change, just the router.

rob808 · 05-10-2017 08:27PM

My install date got bump up to this coming monday hope everything go well is there anything I need to know before the install thanks.

Gonzo · 05-10-2017 09:24PM

rob808 wrote: »

My install date got bump up to this coming monday hope everything go well is there anything I need to know before the install thanks.

the possibility you may have a sleepless night on Sunday!

rob808 · 05-10-2017 10:14PM

Gonzo wrote: »

the possibility you may have a sleepless night on Sunday!

I made a mistake still Wednesday but not to long to go

Jpmarn · 06-10-2017 02:17AM

rob808 wrote: »

I made a mistake still Wednesday but not to long to go

Contacted Eir through web chat and I am down for the same day 11 October. My brother has ordered the ftth in the last week and he's down for next Thursday 12th.
Is there still a restriction on the amount of fibre cable that can come into the house. I'm hoping to get in under the stairs off the hallway where I have the router and network center there?

plodder · 06-10-2017 08:18AM

Jpmarn wrote: »

Contacted Eir through web chat and I am down for the same day 11 October. My brother has ordered the ftth in the last week and he's down for next Thursday 12th.
Is there still a restriction on the amount of fibre cable that can come into the house. I'm hoping to get in under the stairs off the hallway where I have the router and network center there?

1 metre inside the house is the farthest they'll go apparently.

Jpmarn · 06-10-2017 08:52AM

I have other options as I have Ethernet cables wired from nearly every room to the location under the stairs. Unfortunately to my preferred location requires 4 to 5m of cable inside the house. Don't have power sockets convenient in the hallway to convert the fibre to Ethernet on it's way to the network center. I am thinking of creating a 2nd center in my study where the minimum amount of Fibre cable is required but there would be a good length pinned outside my house after it flies in along the existing copper from the pole.

Jpmarn · 06-10-2017 09:35AM

OpenEir has just rang me for an installation tomorrow morning between 9am and 1pm. A report will be posted on this thread afterwards.

Pangea · 06-10-2017 10:10AM

So can anyone on ftth change to digiweb? I'm in Donegal and haven't heard of them here. Also if I switch would that mean I would lose my telephone number?

plodder · 06-10-2017 10:18AM

Just got a call myself from Eir offering installation, even though the Openeir site doesn't have a go live date for the area. The neighbouring village has just gone live. I'm tempted to let them go ahead even just to get a chance to talk to a KNN/Openeir guy about what I need to do to prepare for it..... Would that be worth doing?

cnocbui · 06-10-2017 10:26AM

I gather they don't run cable to a chimney?

I have a pole. The existing phone line is through 13mm conduit from the foot of the pole with some bends in it, so I doubt that is usable. What radii can the cable be bent?

Would the installers leave a roll on the poll and be prepared to come back and finish the installation after the cable mysteriously found it's way to the chimney , through the attic and out the wall where the existing phone socket and router are located in the middle of the house?

Not sure why I am even asking. The map shows Autumn and not the slightest sign of anyone doing anything in the vicinity.

plodder · 06-10-2017 11:14AM

cnocbui wrote: »

I gather they don't run cable to a chimney?

Apparently not. Not sure whether that's elf-n-safety or because it results in sharp bends in the cable.

I have a pole. The existing phone line is through 13mm conduit from the foot of the pole with some bends in it, so I doubt that is usable. What radii can the cable be bent?

They want 32mm internal diameter minimum. There's a reference also to wanting 1 metre radius "slow bends" to ease drawing the cable through, but that doesn't sound like a hard requirement.

Would the installers leave a roll on the poll and be prepared to come back and finish the installation after the cable mysteriously found it's way to the chimney , through the attic and out the wall where the existing phone socket and router are located in the middle of the house?

Ha, Don't know but I doubt it.

Decoda · 06-10-2017 12:28PM

Installation depends on the KN technician that you get. I've heard locally of lads just willing to drill a hole in wall and 1m maximum all they'll come into the house. Then you have the lad who called to me and allowed an attic installation. By the way, as can be seen in the photo of where the cable enters the air vent, it seems pretty flexible considering.

D.

Decoda wrote: »

So after a long wait Fibre has finally arrived. When it was first mooted, I was extremely skeptical. I live in an isolated part of the country by the coast on a cul de sac road with 10 houses, the majority being holiday homes. I just couldn't see how it would ever make financial sense for any supplier to bring fibre broadband to my locality and yet here we are.

At the moment the modem is temporarily left in the attic until I decide whether to permanently leave it there or relocate downstairs. If I do decide to leave it there then I will add a mains smoke alarm up there along with an additional power point to run a TP Link power-line system from. (At the moment there is the EIR Hardware box plugged direct into a socket and the Eir Modem and a TPLink plugged into a double adapter - temp measure until my electrician gets here)

I've been a thread lurker for a long time so many thanks for all the information along the way and the best of luck to those of you waiting for connection.

D.

Set up in the attic

Final Speed Test taken downstairs in the hallway....:P

External Shots of Installation

Its kind of hard to make out but the fitter brought the fibre approx halfway down the pole before bringing it across to the house. I plan on running some form of steel cable maybe??? to reinforce or provide some additional protection to it as I feel that it is sort of exposed.

Where the fibre enters the house through an air vent.

Schorpio · 06-10-2017 12:44PM

The Cush wrote: »

No, they will only connect your house if it's on the rollout plan.

Check your eircode on the fibre-rollout site and have a look at the fibre-rollout map, does your house have a blue planned icon on it?

Hi all,

Just stumbled on this thread and looked my eircode up on the link. As I suspected, I'm amber on the rollout map, and thus included on the National Broadband Plan. I gave up on eir years ago and have been using fixed wireless in the meantime.

Forgive my ignorance, but being on the National Broadband Plan, I presume I can't do/receive anything fibre related at the moment and just have to play the waiting game?

Gipo3 · 06-10-2017 02:53PM

plodder wrote: »

They want 32mm internal diameter minimum. There's a reference also to wanting 1 metre radius "slow bends" to ease drawing the cable through, but that doesn't sound like a hard requirement.

What are you basing that off?

plodder · 06-10-2017 03:17PM

Gipo3 wrote: »

What are you basing that off?

Openeir's "Guidelines for Customers when laying Ducting (Hydrodare) for Telecom Networks on their private property"

Gipo3 · 06-10-2017 04:25PM

plodder wrote: »

Openeir's "Guidelines for Customers when laying Ducting (Hydrodare) for Telecom Networks on their private property"

Is there a link?

plodder · 06-10-2017 04:35PM

Gipo3 wrote: »

Is there a link?

Attached.

The Cush · 06-10-2017 05:05PM

plodder wrote: »

Attached.

So 32mm O.D./25mm I.D. (1" hydrodare), they don't specify standard or heavy gauge hydrodare. 50mm "hockey stick" from ETU to hydrodare.

Gooser14 · 06-10-2017 05:47PM

Page 5 states minimum internal diameter of 32 mm so 25 mm I.D. won't do.

Peppa Cig · 06-10-2017 06:23PM

Gooser14 wrote: »

Page 5 states minimum internal diameter of 32 mm so 25 mm I.D. won't do.

My FTTH installed via existing 1/2” hydro pipe so it’s not a must.

If they can pull the cable through what’s there thats all that matters imo.

That said if someone installing new duct I would certainly install bigger diameter. I’d go 50mm if doing it again

The Cush · 06-10-2017 06:25PM

Gooser14 wrote: »

Page 5 states minimum internal diameter of 32 mm so 25 mm I.D. won't do.

Conflict between page 5 and the diagram on page 9.

Open-eir themselves are using 20/16 mm ducting between poles on the rural routes for 36 fibre cable so I think 25mm should be OK for the 2 fibre cable to the house.

I_HAVE_NO_NAME · 06-10-2017 07:24PM

I hate to reignite the FUP chat on this thread but I just got off the phone with a man from Regional Broadband after seeing an advert earlier today. Their website says 'No hidden charges, Unlimited Broadband'. The assistant on the other end of the phone when asked bluntly "do they enforce a FUP of any sort like the other ISP's?" said 'No we most certainly do not. We understand that if you are receiving speeds of 1000Mb/s then you could theoretically reach your cap in under a day of use. We provide fully unlimited service.'
That being said from what i can see on the openeir site, they're not yet listed as a FTTH reseller. Has anyone heard any stories regarding this ISP?

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/5769/MCtPCK.jpg

Johnboy1951 · 06-10-2017 07:28PM

I_HAVE_NO_NAME wrote: »

I hate to reignite the FUP chat on this thread but I just got off the phone with a man from Regional Broadband after seeing an advert earlier today. Their website says 'No hidden charges, Unlimited Broadband'. The assistant on the other end of the phone when asked bluntly "do they enforce a FUP of any sort like the other ISP's?" said 'No we most certainly do not. We understand that if you are receiving speeds of 1000Mb/s then you could theoretically reach your cap in under a day of use. We provide fully unlimited service.'
That being said from what i can see on the openeir site, they're not yet listed as a FTTH reseller. Has anyone heard any stories regarding this ISP?

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/5769/MCtPCK.jpg

whose cap was being referred to?

I_HAVE_NO_NAME · 06-10-2017 07:33PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

whose cap was being referred to?

I assume Eir, Digiweb etc. I assume....

tsue921i8wljb3 · 06-10-2017 07:43PM

The Cush wrote: »

Conflict between page 5 and the diagram on page 9.

Open-eir themselves are using 20/16 mm ducting between poles on the rural routes for 36 fibre cable so I think 25mm should be OK for the 2 fibre cable to the house.

Most of that 20/16 is being pulled through larger preexisting duct whether concrete or plastic.

I've seen them do new ducting under trees. What they did was dig a trench and use lengths of the radius HDPE twin wall duct. Then they pulled the 20/16 through the twin wall. The KN guy said the 20/16 is pre roped so the fibre can then be pulled through.

http://www.radiustelecoms.com/products/telecoms-ducting-systems/hdpe-twin-wall-ducting/

I think the danger of using too small a diameter duct is it getting crushed by vehicular traffic.

The Cush · 06-10-2017 08:45PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Most of that 20/16 is being pulled through larger preexisting duct whether concrete or plastic.

I've seen them do new ducting under trees. What they did was dig a trench and use lengths of the radius HDPE twin wall duct. Then they pulled the 20/16 through the twin wall. The KN guy said the 20/16 is pre roped so the fibre can then be pulled through.

Around my area they simply dug a trench, dropped in the 20/16, no rope. In one particular section they ended up not using the duct at all, simply ran the cable from one pole to the next bypassing the duct, probably due to the fact the hedging had been cut after the duct was installed which cleared the path for the aerial cable.

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I think the danger of using too small a diameter duct is it getting crushed by vehicular traffic.

The new open-eir document posted above doesn't mention standard or heavy gauge hydrodare, if I was going this route I'd opt for the heavy gauge for that very reason, the danger of it being crushed by potentially heavy traffic above.

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