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Hotel Cancels Pro life event due to Intimidation.

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  • #662
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    Geuze wrote: »
    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    Some people from People Before Profit taking down & removing posters advertising public meetings by rape victims talking about their real life personal experience, who would of thought that People Before Profit would seek to silence rape victims ?

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    The same thing happened during the SSM campaign.

    Posters against SSM were cut down, and Conor Pope witnessed it.

    He admonished the people doing it.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/no-campaign-posters-defaced-down-damaged-2073076-Apr2015/
    The same thing will likely happen during the referendum campaign some people will want a one sided debate & will seek to silence the other side by contacting hotels to get meetings canceled & take down opposition posters, I don,t think they even realize what a massive own goal they done trying to silence rape victims, if the people taking down posters are so confident in their own arguments, so confident that the majority are on their side why are they so afraid of rape victims telling their own real life personal stories at public meetings ? I have to ask .


  • #663
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    January wrote: »
    I don't advocate this at all, but again, the anti-choice side do the same. Not that it makes it ok to do. Posters in Blanchardstown advertising a pro-repeal meeting were defaced, and they put up their own (illegal) signs on top of some of the defaced posters.
    I condemn people from either side behaving like this.


  • #664
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    I really hate the way people who go around patting themselves on the back for being 'tolerant' and 'broad minded' then think it's okay to bully, intimidate and silence any group who doesn't agree with their view.


  • #665
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    I wasn,t advocating trying to silence anyone, I said I strongly disagree with trying to silence & no platform people .
    If you're against people expressing their dissatisfaction with pro life groups, then you're against freedom of speech and expression. You can't have it both ways.


  • #666
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    Billy86 wrote: »
    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    I wasn,t advocating trying to silence anyone, I said I strongly disagree with trying to silence & no platform people .
    If you're against people expressing their dissatisfaction with pro life groups, then you're against freedom of speech and expression. You can't have it both ways.
    What I actually said in another post the other day

    "" ( 2 ) if they disagree with the group hosting the meeting he/she  A/ can choose to ignore the meeting simply don,t go or B/ peacefully protest outside the meeting . ""  

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104748211&postcount=151

    If some people want to peacefully protest outside pro life meetings, ok fine I have no problem with that, what I do have a problem with is attempts to no platform & silence people & removal of posters seeking to silence rape victims .


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  • #667
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    What I actually said in another post the other day
    "" ( 2 ) if they disagree with the group hosting the meeting he/she A/ can choose to ignore the meeting simply don,t go or B/ peacefully protest outside the meeting . ""
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104748211&postcount=151
    If some people want to peacefully protest outside pro life meetings, ok fine I have no problem with that, what I do have a problem with is attempts to no platform & silence people & removal of posters seeking to silence rape victims .


    or C/ ask the hotel to reconsider in a polite way.


  • #668
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    Peeople also have a right to outline to a hotel on why they have an issue with the particular group speaking at venue. This goes with freedom of speech too.


  • #669
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #670
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    pitifulgod wrote: »
    Peeople also have a right to outline to a hotel on why they have an issue with the particular group speaking at venue. This goes with freedom of speech too.
    If some people don,t want to go to the groups meeting no one is forcing them to go, but what about consideration for other people that wanted to go to the meeting ? what about their rights ? what about their right to freedom of assembly & all that ?


  • #671
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,589 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    Some people from People Before Profit taking down & removing posters advertising public meetings by rape victims talking about their real life personal experience, who would of thought that People Before Profit would seek to silence rape victims ?

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    Wait who do you think the rape victim is?


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  • #672
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    yeah well the other side are being cognitively dissonant too


  • #673
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    If some people don,t want to go to the groups meeting no one is forcing them to go, but what about consideration for other people that wanted to go to the meeting ? what about their rights ? what about their right to freedom of assembly & all that ?


    nobody is stopping them from assembling. a hotel is a business so can refuse who they like once its not on one of the 9 discriminatory grounds.


  • #674
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    If some people don,t want to go to the groups meeting no one is forcing them to go, but what about consideration for other people that wanted to go to the meeting ? what about their rights ? what about their right to freedom of assembly & all that ?

    You can't have it going one way Kira. This has been explained to you. Over and over and over again.


  • #675
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #676
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    If some people don,t want to go to the groups meeting no one is forcing them to go, but what about consideration for other people that wanted to go to the meeting ? what about their rights ? what about their right to freedom of assembly & all that ?

    A private venue which people outlined their concerns to. You do not have a right to speak at a private venue. Their rights have not been infringed.


  • #677
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    What I actually said in another post the other day
    "" ( 2 ) if they disagree with the group hosting the meeting he/she  A/ can choose to ignore the meeting simply don,t go or B/ peacefully protest outside the meeting . ""  
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104748211&postcount=151
    If some people want to peacefully protest outside pro life meetings, ok fine I have no problem with that, what I do have a problem with is attempts to no platform & silence people & removal of posters seeking to silence rape victims .


    or C/ ask the hotel to reconsider in a polite way.
    Im just looking at one of the groups posters, at the very end it says.

    " Hear Shauna,s story " 

    https://twitter.com/UnbrokenLBR/status/912751399984824322

    As to why some people would want a hotel is reconsider hosting a public meeting by a rape victim is beyond me, but reverse the roles lets say it was a public meeting by a rape victim that choose to have an abortion after being raped & a hotel canceled the meeting following pressure, hands up who would be honestly ok with it being canceled ?


  • #678
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    If some people don,t want to go to the groups meeting no one is forcing them to go, but what about consideration for other people that wanted to go to the meeting ? what about their rights ? what about their right to freedom of assembly & all that ?


    nobody is stopping them from assembling. a hotel is a business so can refuse who they like once its not on one of the 9 discriminatory grounds.

    So you think there is nothing wrong with removing posters for meetings that you disagree with?
    If this is the general opinion of both sides it's a spiral to the bottom.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #679
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    So you think there is nothing wrong with removing posters for meetings that you disagree with?
    If this is the general opinion of both sides it's a spiral to the bottom.


    please point to where i have referred to removing posters? pathetic post.


  • #680
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    pjohnson wrote: »
    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    Some people from People Before Profit taking down & removing posters advertising public meetings by rape victims talking about their real life personal experience, who would of thought that People Before Profit would seek to silence rape victims ?

    429051.jpg

    Wait who do you think the rape victim is?
    They boasted about taking down posters, the group has different posters up.

    https://twitter.com/UnbrokenLBR/status/912751399984824322


  • #681
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    Im just looking at one of the groups posters, at the very end it says.

    " Hear Shauna,s story " 

    https://twitter.com/UnbrokenLBR/status/912751399984824322

    As to why some people would want a hotel is reconsider hosting a public meeting by a rape victim is beyond me, but reverse the roles lets say it was a public meeting by a rape victim that choose to have an abortion after being raped & a hotel canceled the meeting following pressure, hands up who would be honestly ok with it being canceled ?

    People can contact the hotel with their displeasure, that a women of was raped doesn't want the rapist baby if they want.

    The hotel can decide. It's a private company.


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  • #682
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    I would seriously question the motives of anyone who goes around telling the world that their child was a product of rape. How the **** does she think the child will feel about that?


  • #683
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    pitifulgod wrote: »
    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    If some people don,t want to go to the groups meeting no one is forcing them to go, but what about consideration for other people that wanted to go to the meeting ? what about their rights ? what about their right to freedom of assembly & all that ?

    A private venue which people outlined their concerns to. You do not have a right to speak at a private venue. Their rights have not been infringed.
    John Lyons of People Before Profit would have a different opinion to you, last year when a Gaa club canceled a repeal the 8th public meeting he was due to chair took to facebook & said 
    " this is a disgraceful denial of free speech " .


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  • #684
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    I couldn't care less about what John Lyons of PBP thinks about the matter. I would view both scenarios as situations where you can get another venue.


  • #685
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    True enough, I mean if someone is against silencing of anyone and completely unfettered free speech, then they cannot have an issue with people expressing their outrage, disappointment or any other negative feeling towards a business for hosting events those people disapprove of.


  • #686
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    pitifulgod wrote: »
    I couldn't care less about what John Lyons of PBP thinks about the matter. I would view both scenarios as situations where you can get another venue.
    And if they get a second venue & if the same people manage to pressure the second venue into canceling the meeting, then say they book a third venue & the meeting at the third venue gets canceled following pressure, where would you suggest they hold their meeting & freely assemble ?


  • #687
    barneystinson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    or C/ ask the hotel to reconsider in a polite way.

    Why though? What's their issue with the hotel renting a space?

    What do you consider "asking the hotel to reconsider in a polite way" to be? Threatening them with a boycott because they have the audacity to let a group pay to use their venue?

    What's next? Campaigns (by either / both sides) against businesses whose owners have been careless enough to express a particular opinion?

    I think I'm pro choice, but the mindset that this carry on is even remotely ok, baffles and concerns me. If you're confident in your argument and its merits, have the argument - give the other side their opportunity to speak and then skewer their inferior arguments.

    I can understand how supposedly closed minded, bigoted people can justify platform denying behaviour, but not how the self-proclaimed progressive, liberal side of the issue can justify it.

    Recent history (Brexit, Trump, France) has repeatedly shown that all the bawling and shouting is actually counterproductive, yet no-one seems to be learning from it yet.


  • #688
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    And if they get a second venue & if the same people manage to pressure the second venue into canceling the meeting, then say they book a third venue & the meeting at the third venue gets canceled following pressure, where would you suggest they hold their meeting & freely assemble ?

    Then that's people repeatedly exercising their free speech by letting those venues know of their disapproval of hosting such events. If the venues wish to proceed with said events, that remains entirely their own decision and their own free choice.


  • #689
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    So you think there is nothing wrong with removing posters for meetings that you disagree with?
    If this is the general opinion of both sides it's a spiral to the bottom.


    please point to where i have referred to removing posters? pathetic post.

    Well do you think it's wrong to remove posters?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #690
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    Billy86 wrote: »
    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    And if they get a second venue & if the same people manage to pressure the second venue into canceling the meeting, then say they book a third venue & the meeting at the third venue gets canceled following pressure, where would you suggest they hold their meeting & freely assemble ?

    Then that's people repeatedly exercising their free speech by letting those venues know of their disapproval of hosting such events. If the venues wish to proceed with said events, that remains entirely their own decision and their own free choice.
    No that,s people trying to shut democratic debate on an upcoming referendum by trying to silence the other side of the argument, nothing more & nothing less.


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  • #691
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    No that,s people trying to shut democratic debate on an upcoming referendum by trying to silence the other side of the argument, nothing more & nothing less.
    So what you're saying is if people's opinion is that they do not like their local venues hosting such events... they should just shut up and keep those opinions to themselves?

    Sounds like an attempt to just shut them down and silence them to be honest, nothing more and nothing less.


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