Hotel Cancels Pro life event due to Intimidation.

Skylinehead

Mod: this is rapidly turning into yet another abortion thread. I know it's relevant but try to keep it to the hotel?

Will I Am Not

pjohnson wrote: »

Not really. I trust a woman to decide what do with her body. I wouldnt be celebrating or demanding an abortion. I just trust the woman to decide. Its her body.

Most people seem to think if someone is for repeal they automatically have some kind of baby bloodlust. Quite amusing.

Yet you just stated that people that are "Pro life" just want control over a woman's body.
Do you not see the hypocrisy?

ohnonotgmail

is there really more we can say about the hotel? There are unsubstantiated claims about intimidation and harassment from a biased observer. what else is there to discuss?

keano_afc

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

is there really more we can say about the hotel? There are unsubstantiated claims about intimidation and harassment from an impartial observer. what else is there to discuss?

Well, we could discuss the Gibson Hotel, who have allegedly done the same thing.

https://www.buzz.ie/news/life-institute-dublin-hotel-silence-women-255490

Outlaw Pete

ELM327 wrote: »

You are against others having the choice to do what they with their bodily autonomy,

But YOU are also against others having the choice to do what they with their bodily autonomy though.

Unless of course you support Sarah Catt's right to do what she did.

....and instead wish to impose your choice on them.

What about the choice imposed on the baby in the womb? The baby that will have their heartbeat stilled and their skull often broken to pieces? What about their body autonomy? Why is it always ignored?

That makes you inherently anti-choice in this discussion.

Not all choices should be legal. Nothing wrong with being against the odd one.

January

Yes the Gibson have cancelled an event too. It has been moved to a different hotel in the IFSC.

Grayson

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

is there really more we can say about the hotel? There are unsubstantiated claims about intimidation and harassment from an impartial observer. what else is there to discuss?

I don't think that's the word you're looking for.

ohnonotgmail

Grayson wrote: »

I don't think that's the word you're looking for.

well spotted.

Skylinehead

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

But YOU are also against others having the choice to do what they with their bodily autonomy though.

Unless of course you support Sarah Catt's right to do what she did.



What about the choice imposed on the baby in the womb? The baby that will have their heartbeat stilled and their skull often broken to pieces? What about their body autonomy? Why is it always ignored?



Not all choices should be legal. Nothing wrong with being against the odd one.

Did you hear me?

ohnonotgmail

keano_afc wrote: »

Well, we could discuss the Gibson Hotel, who have allegedly done the same thing.

https://www.buzz.ie/news/life-institute-dublin-hotel-silence-women-255490

so another one-sided view. no mention of intimidation or harassment this time.

Outlaw Pete

Skylinehead wrote: »

Did you hear me?

Hadn't read that far :P

Skylinehead

Fair :pac:

keano_afc

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so another one-sided view. no mention of intimidation or harassment this time.

So you think they just cancelled the event for no reason?

ohnonotgmail

keano_afc wrote: »

So you think they just cancelled the event for no reason?

i'm not willing to jump to conclusions. you are seemingly very keen to do so.

ohnonotgmail

for a group that are supposedly being censored they dont seem to have much trouble getting their views aired in the media.

keano_afc

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i'm not willing to jump to conclusions. you are seemingly very keen to do so.

I havent jumped to any conclusions, hence my use of the word "allegedly" in my original post.

Hotels dont just cancel events like this for no reason. Why do you think they did?

ohnonotgmail

keano_afc wrote: »

I havent jumped to any conclusions, hence my use of the word "allegedly" in my original post.

Hotels dont just cancel events like this for no reason. Why do you think they did?

i dont have enough information to say why. do you?

keano_afc

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i dont have enough information to say why. do you?

Well, the Silver Springs in Cork received emails from "pro-choice" advocates asking them to cancel the event being held by Unbroken. Wouldn't be too hard to envisage the same thing happening to the Gibson.

The Legend Of Kira

_Dara_ wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

An observation- this past saturday there was a repeal the 8th protest march + rally afterwards in Waterford,  there was only 100 people I counted at the rally while I walked past it, it was a fine day an all no bad weather or rain they advertised their rally well enough online + loads of posters around town for it etc & yet the most they got was 100 people out for their rally, 1/11/2014 the day of local protests around the country against water charges, it was very rainy day that day but yet thousands came to protest in opposition to water charges in Waterford , compare that a sec thousands come for a protest on a rainy day vs around 100 people come out for a repeal the 8th protest on a fine day with no bad weather, you can always kinda gauge how much support a cause has by how many turn out for a protest/rally, if repeal the 8th/abortion on demand had widespread public support then surely more then around 100 people would of come to support it last saturday ?

There was many multiples of 100 people at the March for Choice in Dublin last September.

January wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

An observation- this past saturday there was a repeal the 8th protest march + rally afterwards in Waterford,  there was only 100 people I counted at the rally while I walked past it, it was a fine day an all no bad weather or rain they advertised their rally well enough online + loads of posters around town for it etc & yet the most they got was 100 people out for their rally, 1/11/2014 the day of local protests around the country against water charges, it was very rainy day that day but yet thousands came to protest in opposition to water charges in Waterford , compare that a sec thousands come for a protest on a rainy day vs around 100 people come out for a repeal the 8th protest on a fine day with no bad weather, you can always kinda gauge how much support a cause has by how many turn out for a protest/rally, if repeal the 8th/abortion on demand had widespread public support then surely more then around 100 people would of come to support it last saturday ?

The annual March for choice in Dublin is this Saturday. Count how many are at that.

_Dara_ wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

An observation- this past saturday there was a repeal the 8th protest march + rally afterwards in Waterford,  there was only 100 people I counted at the rally while I walked past it, it was a fine day an all no bad weather or rain they advertised their rally well enough online + loads of posters around town for it etc & yet the most they got was 100 people out for their rally, 1/11/2014 the day of local protests around the country against water charges, it was very rainy day that day but yet thousands came to protest in opposition to water charges in Waterford , compare that a sec thousands come for a protest on a rainy day vs around 100 people come out for a repeal the 8th protest on a fine day with no bad weather, you can always kinda gauge how much support a cause has by how many turn out for a protest/rally, if repeal the 8th/abortion on demand had widespread public support then surely more then around 100 people would of come to support it last saturday ?

There was many multiples of 100 people at the March for Choice in Dublin last September.

Being a national demo I have no doubt it will get better numbers, last years demo got 25.000 that,s a figure from one of the main groups involved with the demo.



Ok 25.000 is a good number for a national demo, but its not a great number compare that number last years national repeal the 8th demo got vs the numbers some of national anti water charges demos got,  11/10.2014 over 100.000 took to the streets - 10/12/2014  between 40.000 to 50.000 took to the streets on a wednesday weekday - 21/3/2015; 80.000 took to the streets, if repealing the 8th/abortion on demand has the mass support  that some may think it has, why hasn,t their past demos got the same mass numbers out on the streets like the protests against water charges got ?

ohnonotgmail

keano_afc wrote: »

Well, the Silver Springs in Cork received emails from "pro-choice" advocates asking them to cancel the event being held by Unbroken. Wouldn't be too hard to envisage the same thing happening to the Gibson.

if that is the case when what is the problem?

pitifulgod

keano_afc wrote: »

Well, the Silver Springs in Cork received emails from "pro-choice" advocates asking them to cancel the event being held by Unbroken. Wouldn't be too hard to envisage the same thing happening to the Gibson.

You do know that wouldn't constitute intimidation?

Grayson

keano_afc wrote: »

Well, the Silver Springs in Cork received emails from "pro-choice" advocates asking them to cancel the event being held by Unbroken. Wouldn't be too hard to envisage the same thing happening to the Gibson.

They were doing them a favor. That hotel is a sh1t hole.

January

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Being a national demo I have no doubt it will get better numbers, last years demo got 25.000 that,s a figure from one of the main groups involved with the demo.



Ok 25.000 is a good number for a national demo, but its not a great number compare that number last years national repeal the 8th demo got vs the numbers some of national anti water charges demos got,  11/10.2014 over 100.000 took to the streets - 10/12/2014  between 40.000 to 50.000 took to the streets on a wednesday weekday - 21/3/2015; 80.000 took to the streets, if repealing the 8th/abortion on demand has the mass support  that some may think it has, why hasn,t their past demos got the same mass numbers out on the streets like the protests against water charges got ?

Suppose it's better than lying and saying 70,000 attended a march when only 5,000 actually did... like the March for Life this year...

January

Grayson wrote: »

They were doing them a favor. That hotel is a sh1t hole.

Silversprings haven't cancelled the event.

SafeSurfer

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

for a group that are supposedly being censored they dont seem to have much trouble getting their views aired in the media.

It isn't their views that the media is reporting. I is the fact that Dublin hotels are fearful of hosting pro life events for fear of a backlash from pro choice advocates.

Can you not see that?

It's not their views that are being reported but their silencing.

freshpopcorn

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Being a national demo I have no doubt it will get better numbers, last years demo got 25.000 that,s a figure from one of the main groups involved with the demo.



Ok 25.000 is a good number for a national demo, but its not a great number compare that number last years national repeal the 8th demo got vs the numbers some of national anti water charges demos got,  11/10.2014 over 100.000 took to the streets - 10/12/2014  between 40.000 to 50.000 took to the streets on a wednesday weekday - 21/3/2015; 80.000 took to the streets, if repealing the 8th/abortion on demand has the mass support  that some may think it has, why hasn,t their past demos got the same mass numbers out on the streets like the protests against water charges got ?

I have being following the 8th amendment in the media a little bit. I notice online that it's mainly the same people online commenting/tweeting on articles on social media. Same on here. They are a few repeal people who are always posting and a few pro-life people.
In reality I am a male in my twenties and never really hear anybody male or female discuss the matter online or in person. At a stretch I'd know more pro-life people nearly. I honestly don't hear a lot of discussion on the matter to be honest.

keano_afc

January wrote: »

Suppose it's better than lying and saying 70,000 attended a march when only 5,000 actually did... like the March for Life this year...

I'll be expecting the same at the weekend when the Journal and others bump up the figures for the March for Choice.

pitifulgod

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It isn't their views that the media is reporting. I is the fact that Dublin hotels are fearful of hosting pro life events for fear of a backlash from pro choice advocates.

Can you not see that?

It's not their views that are being reported but their silencing.

Pro life groups regularly hold events in hotels. A handful of hotels cancelling on them is perfectly within hotel's rights. Added on to this, there are numerous pro life columnists in national newspapers who have weekly columns which are more often than not raving about the evils of abortion. They are regularly on TV and the radio. They are not being silenced.

January

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It isn't their views that the media is reporting. I is the fact that Dublin hotels are fearful of hosting pro life events for fear of a backlash from pro choice advocates.

Can you not see that?

It's not their views that are being reported but their silencing.

You could say the exact same thing about venues being fearful of hosting pro-choice events for fear of a backlash from anti-choice advocates.

Can you not see that?

(Funny thing is, notice all these anti-choice events taking place in hotels, yet the pro-choice ones being held in cafe's and community centres... grassroots movement my ass.)

ohnonotgmail

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It isn't their views that the media is reporting. I is the fact that Dublin hotels are fearful of hosting pro life events for fear of a backlash from pro choice advocates.

Can you not see that?

It's not their views that are being reported but their silencing.

the newspaper reports for the gibson and the hotel in the OP consist entirely of quotes from the Life Institute. I dont see any attempt to contact people who contacted the hotels in question and get their views. for the hotel in the OP this would have been very simply to do as people asked the hotel publicly on FB.