Hotel Cancels Pro life event due to Intimidation.

_Dara_ · 26-09-2017 04:42PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

"Skin in the game" an unfortunate use of words in the abortion debate.

If you like!

Sofiztikated · 26-09-2017 04:43PM

January wrote: »

Yes the Gibson have cancelled an event too. It has been moved to a different hotel in the IFSC.

It's moved to the Spencer. It's the same hotel group. It's literally a 15 minute walk, and it's closer to the city.

It's quite possible there's a more innocent reason for the move, such as a double booking.

EDIT: This is incorrect. It's The Spencer and The Morgan were the hotels I was thinking of.

January · 26-09-2017 04:51PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Like the "posters and pints" meetings. Making pro abortion posters and drinking at the same time. You may call that grassroots some may just call it bad taste.

Alcohol and abortion don't need to be associated.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

SafeSurfer · 26-09-2017 04:57PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

January wrote: »

Yes the Gibson have cancelled an event too. It has been moved to a different hotel in the IFSC.

It's moved to the Spencer. It's the same hotel group. It's literally a 15 minute walk, and it's closer to the city.

It's quite possible there's a more innocent reason for the move, such as a double booking.

Is the Spencer hotel and the Gibson hotel in the same hotel group, Dalata or did you just make that up?

January · 26-09-2017 04:58PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

It's moved to the Spencer. It's the same hotel group. It's literally a 15 minute walk, and it's closer to the city.

It's quite possible there's a more innocent reason for the move, such as a double booking.

Really? I thought they were owned by different groups, the Gibson is owned by Dalata, same as the Clayton? The Spencer is owned by Lalco?

Sofiztikated · 26-09-2017 05:04PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Is the Spencer hotel and the Gibson hotel in the same hotel group, Dalata or did you just make that up?

January wrote: »

Really? I thought they were owned by different groups, the Gibson is owned by Dalata, same as the Clayton? The Spencer is owned by Lalco?

Actually, apologies, it's The Spencer and The Morgan I was thinking of.

I'll correct my post now.

SafeSurfer · 26-09-2017 05:05PM

Dalata quick to condemn the victim blaming of rape victims for some cheap publicity. Pulling the sponsorship of George Hooks show 4 weeks before the end of the contract.
Not so quick to allow rape victims tell their stories in their hotels.
Will anyone in the media ask them why? Of course not.

AryaStark · 26-09-2017 07:16PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

AryaStark wrote: »

What kind of research are you looking for here. If somebody has no opinion on something it is because they have no experience of it.

Is that why straight people were allowed to vote in the marriage equality referendum?

This doesn't even make sense... not sure what point you are trying to make.
Everyone who voted had an opinion.. I didn't say that you need to experience something to have an opinion.
But if somebody has no opinion on a certain subject then it is because they are not educated on the subject or they have had no experience of said subject.

One eyed Jack · 26-09-2017 07:35PM

AryaStark wrote: »

But if somebody has no opinion on a certain subject then it is because they are not educated on the subject or they have had no experience of said subject.

That's kinda the fun thing about people and their opinions - they don't have to either have education nor experience to have an opinion on the subject, and more often than not, people simply don't care about issues they don't feel they are or will ever be affected by. That's the whole point I suppose of various groups who try to educate people on particular issues from their perspective, in order to influence peoples opinions.

I don't think people objecting to people trying to have opinions shut down are actually doing themselves any favours, and I'm beginning to wonder if trying to deny these people a platform is actually doing them a favour, because more than a few times in this thread the question has been asked - what are the people trying to shut them down afraid of?

Do they not trust that people are perfectly capable of forming their own opinions? In the same way as I believe we should trust women to make decisions for themselves, we should trust people to make decisions for themselves regarding peoples opinions too.

Grayson · 26-09-2017 08:45PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Alcohol and abortion don't need to be associated.

Which is strange because for years women who needed an abortion would resort to Gin and a hot bath.

SafeSurfer · 26-09-2017 08:52PM

Grayson wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Alcohol and abortion don't need to be associated.

Which is strange because for years women who needed an abortion would resort to Gin and a hot bath.

Seems much more civilised than what occurs now but more dangerous for the women involved.
It is such a difficult and divisive issue.

Will the Irish people trust politicians to decide?

frag420 · 26-09-2017 09:31PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Seems much more civilised than what occurs now but more dangerous for the women involved.
It is such a difficult and divisive issue.

Will the Irish people trust politicians to decide?

I'm pretty sure the Irish people will decide no?

Unless they have changed the meaning of a referendum?

SafeSurfer · 26-09-2017 09:40PM

frag420 wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Seems much more civilised than what occurs now but more dangerous for the women involved.
It is such a difficult and divisive issue.

Will the Irish people trust politicians to decide?

I'm pretty sure the Irish people will decide no?

Unless they have changed the meaning of a referendum?

The Irish people will decide whether to repeal the eight or not. The politicians will decide through legislation what abortion regime comes into force after it is repealed.

The Legend Of Kira · 26-09-2017 10:36PM

The meeting by ( Unbroken ) that was booked & got canceled & got moved elsewhere, the attempt to no platform this group has kinda backfired as one of the main speakers has a lot more media requests for interviews now after the publicity no platformers have given them = own goal on their part, would they of gotten more interview requests if they of being simply ignored ?

https://www.facebook.com/Savethe1/videos/1415123085273814/?hc_ref=ARSlLf0F2R83S5mfWK3c7UC_lG7hAFtRYluTDDYpuHEfnZNLuQEqybjOGXdlGTTKuP8

Annasopra · 26-09-2017 10:45PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I find it's because lots of people don't really care about it. They are not pushed either way.

I find that a lot of people are very strongly passionate about both sides.

freshpopcorn · 26-09-2017 10:53PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I find that a lot of people are very strongly passionate about both sides.

I agree with you regarding this that the people who are interested in it are passionate about it but in my experience the majority of people I encounter don't seem to care.

Will I Am Not · 26-09-2017 11:06PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I agree with you regarding this that the people who are interested in it are passionate about it but in my experience the majority of people I encounter don't seem to care.

It's something a lot of people won't like to talk about so maybe that's just the impression you get.

freshpopcorn · 26-09-2017 11:11PM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

It's something a lot of people won't like to talk about so maybe that's just the impression you get.

These people would gladly say anything in my opinion. Stuff that wouldn't go down well here on Boards. I am a young guy from rural Cork and it's just my experience that a lot of people don't care about it. They'd prefer the government to put money into roads or something instead of a referendum.

Annasopra · 27-09-2017 03:59AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I agree with you regarding this that the people who are interested in it are passionate about it but in my experience the majority of people I encounter don't seem to care.

Fair enough. I have the oppposite experience in that most people that I know as friends and acqcuaitances do care strongly. It is a very emotive and both sides make it very black and white when it isn't. I suspect many peoole in Ireland have an opinion on it but feel afraid to talk about this issue because they feel intimidated by 1 or both sides. There is also I find a huge lack of education/knowledge about the 8th amendment and also sexual healthcare generally I find.

rainbow kirby · 27-09-2017 07:40AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

These people would gladly say anything in my opinion. Stuff that wouldn't go down well here on Boards. I am a young guy from rural Cork and it's just my experience that a lot of people don't care about it. They'd prefer the government to put money into roads or something instead of a referendum.

You are a young male, the effect it has on you is minimal compared to the effect it has on women in a similar and slightly older age group so would naturally not be as big a topic of discussion.

lazybones32 · 27-09-2017 09:39AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I agree with you regarding this that the people who are interested in it are passionate about it but in my experience the majority of people I encounter don't seem to care.

In the 80's, when the 8th was voted on, 53% of the electorate actually voted and it passed by 60something.
I don't think that the 47% who didn't vote had all emigrated.

It never ceases to surprise me how many people don't vote.

freshpopcorn · 27-09-2017 02:06PM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

You are a young male, the effect it has on you is minimal compared to the effect it has on women in a similar and slightly older age group so would naturally not be as big a topic of discussion.

I'd say the majority of my friends especially the one's I made in college are female. I've stated my opinion on vibes/feelings these people gave to me regarding the 8th amendment.

The Legend Of Kira · 27-09-2017 02:49PM

Some people from People Before Profit taking down & removing posters advertising public meetings by rape victims talking about their real life personal experience, who would of thought that People Before Profit would seek to silence rape victims ?

Billy86 · 27-09-2017 02:53PM

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Some people from People Before Profit taking down & removing posters advertising public meetings by rape victims talking about their real life personal experience, who would of thought that People Before Profit would seek to silence rape victims ?

If they were taking them down illegally they will be hearing from the Gardai no doubt, and would make it odd to have them in hi-vis jackets doing so.

Still find this kind of rich though, given that just yesterday you were advocating for silencing people who have issues with the pro-life movement.

SafeSurfer · 27-09-2017 02:55PM

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Some people from People Before Profit taking down & removing posters advertising public meetings by rape victims talking about their real life personal experience, who would of thought that People Before Profit would seek to silence rape victims ?

Heroes one and all. This is the spirit of 1916.
"No free speech to traitors".

The Legend Of Kira · 27-09-2017 03:10PM

Billy86 wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Some people from People Before Profit taking down & removing posters advertising public meetings by rape victims talking about their real life personal experience, who would of thought that People Before Profit would seek to silence rape victims ?

If they were taking them down illegally they will be hearing from the Gardai no doubt, and would make it odd to have them in hi-vis jackets doing so.

Still find this kind of rich though, given that just yesterday you were advocating for silencing people who have issues with the pro-life movement.

I wasn,t advocating trying to silence anyone, I said I strongly disagree with trying to silence & no platform people .

keano_afc · 27-09-2017 03:15PM

I challenged those two Communists to show pictures of the posters after they were taken down and immediately got blocked. No harm in pretending to cut a cable tie with a scissors.

Geuze · 27-09-2017 03:35PM

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Some people from People Before Profit taking down & removing posters advertising public meetings by rape victims talking about their real life personal experience, who would of thought that People Before Profit would seek to silence rape victims ?

The same thing happened during the SSM campaign.

Posters against SSM were cut down, and Conor Pope witnessed it.

He admonished the people doing it.

http://www.thejournal.ie/no-campaign-posters-defaced-down-damaged-2073076-Apr2015/

Geuze · 27-09-2017 03:39PM

What's worse is these are university students, who are meant to become educated to be rounded individuals.

January · 27-09-2017 03:47PM

I don't advocate this at all, but again, the anti-choice side do the same. Not that it makes it ok to do. Posters in Blanchardstown advertising a pro-repeal meeting were defaced, and they put up their own (illegal) signs on top of some of the defaced posters.

Hotel Cancels Pro life event due to Intimidation.

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