Dairygold discussion thread

Water John · 21-09-2017 05:15PM

Phil will definitely be able to suggest a consultant, on waste water management, to them.

Sam Kade · 22-09-2017 10:04AM

The crowd is gathering for the official opening and the plant is silent maybe they'll fire it up later on in the day.

Farmer Ed · 22-09-2017 10:51AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

The crowd is gathering for the official opening and the plant is silent maybe they'll fire it up later on in the day.

Official opening of a shut down plant? Ah well I suppose its nice to look at and should be a nice day out. Remember when they put in a footpath for the dignitaries to walk on so they wouldn't dirty their shoes when they laid the first brick on the project? Apparently it only cost 10k and was dug up the following week.

Was reading an article earlier where a certain CEO seems to be predicting a return from cheese to the UK of just 16c per litre post Brexit!

Water John · 22-09-2017 02:02PM

Shur he'll take less than half his salary/pension in solidarity with the farmers.

Farmer Ed · 22-09-2017 03:53PM

Ah now lads less of the negativity. Dairygold is the biggest Co Op in the country according to the news. Mallow has been been upgraded to a "state of the art nutritional campus" and cost has risen to 85m and possibly growing. Apparently the more it costs the better it will be! The powder can actually be used for human consumption! Amazing who would have thought such a feat possible! Apparently this also allows it to be sold on to be used in baby food! Who would ever have though such a high standard could be reached!!!

Coming to think of it who has driers that can only make powder that is not fit to be used in baby food? Hmm?

OK now all they have to do is get the thing to work without stinking out the town and pray the price of milk powder increases rapidly!

No steam out of the plant again today. But there appeared to be a lot of hot air on the lunchtime news.

biblio · 22-09-2017 04:32PM

Yeah I thought that "nutritional campus " bit was funny alright. Sure 20 years ago the place was an almost fully integrated facility with SMP ,WMP being produced, Nestle and the Borden company using that powder on the same site in their own products. And a big butter factory too!

farmertipp · 22-09-2017 07:26PM

Hi ed. Still here trotting out the same old speil. A good day was had by all at official opening of dairygolds nutritional campus today..ðŸ˜Š

Mod note: Easy now, you're walking on a very thin line here!

Buford T.Justice.

Sam Kade · 22-09-2017 07:33PM

farmertipp wrote: »

Hi ed. Still here trotting out the same old speil. A good day was had by all at official opening of dairygolds nutritional campus today..��

Were you there?

Farmer Ed · 22-09-2017 11:24PM

biblio wrote: »

Yeah I thought that "nutritional campus " bit was funny alright. Sure 20 years ago the place was an almost fully integrated facility with SMP ,WMP being produced, Nestle and the Borden company using that powder on the same site in their own products. And a big butter factory too!

Well according to the dictionary a campus is a group of buildings belonging to a university or college.

Possibly the smell might be the result of some cutting edge research they are carrying out there?

Either that or its a bit like the guy who cleans the loo describing himself as a sanitary engineer.

Water John · 22-09-2017 11:31PM

Don't know whether they added a few nearby residences to their property portfolio? That might then qualify it, as a campus.

Farmer Ed · 22-09-2017 11:40PM

Water John wrote: »

Don't know whether they added a few nearby residences to their property portfolio? That might then qualify it, as a campus.

Maybe the local residents could be taking part in a study that is collecting important data on their sensory capabilities?

Sam Kade · 22-09-2017 11:43PM

Water John wrote: »

Don't know whether they added a few nearby residences to their property portfolio? That might then qualify it, as a campus.

I can assure you they haven't added to their property portfolio, I know the place well since going to Mallow tech in the 70's jumping the wall for chocolate crumb now and then

Putrid stuff if ate in large quantities but it was free

Water John · 22-09-2017 11:50PM

Sam, I was referring to suggested ways of resolving recent issues. I think they may not have been acted on. Pity, diplomacy seems to be not in the skillset.
Maybe in should be part of the CIP, continuous improvement programme, we are always being told about.

Thomas Davis has you as one of its exceptional Alumni.

Sam Kade · 22-09-2017 11:56PM

Water John wrote: »

Sam, I was referring to suggested ways of resolving recent issues. I think they may not have been acted on. Pity, diplomacy seems to be not in the skillset.
Maybe in should be part of the CIP, continuous improvement programme, we are always being told about.

The waste plant is down by the blackwater near the co op stores, it seems very old as if it's the original waste plant. Surely if they spent 87m that they should have upgraded the waste plant.

Sam Kade · 22-09-2017 11:59PM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Maybe the local residents could be taking part in a study that is collecting important data on their sensory capabilities?

They had a tour for employees and neighbours the week before the shareholders tour maybe they are trying to sweeten them up.

Farmer Ed · 23-09-2017 12:04AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Maybe the local residents could be taking part in a study that is collecting important data on their sensory capabilities?

They had a tour for employees and neighbours the week before the shareholders tour maybe they are trying to sweeten them up.

By all accounts it might take a bit more than a few biscuits to get the locals used to the smell that was there last year.

Water John · 23-09-2017 12:05AM

That was the point of using this 'brown site'. Saving capital cost; electricity, gas, waste treatment and warehouse, all there already.

They only spent €85m. It could have been, so much more.

Farmer Ed · 23-09-2017 12:10AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Water John wrote: »

Sam, I was referring to suggested ways of resolving recent issues. I think they may not have been acted on. Pity, diplomacy seems to be not in the skillset.
Maybe in should be part of the CIP, continuous improvement programme, we are always being told about.

The waste plant is down by the blackwater near the co op stores, it seems very old as if it's the original waste plant. Surely if they spent 87m that they should have upgraded the waste plant.

Anyone question why this started off with a budget of 69m and now its up to 87m?

Sam Kade · 23-09-2017 12:20AM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Anyone question why this started off with a budget of 69m and now its up to 87m?

No, I didn't know that the plant wasn't operating during the summer and most that were on the tour didn't seem to either yet they bluffed away saying how it was operating 24/7. It would have been interesting if we knew beforehand as we could have asked some awkward questions as they were mad for answering questions

I though last year over 100m was mentioned for the project.

Farmer Ed · 23-09-2017 12:28AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Anyone question why this started off with a budget of 69m and now its up to 87m?

No, I didn't know that the plant wasn't operating during the summer and most that were on the tour didn't seem to either yet they bluffed away saying how it was operating 24/7. It would have been interesting if we knew beforehand as we could have asked some awkward questions as they were mad for answering questions I though last year over 100m was mentioned for the project.

100m was for the 2 driers. Be expecting the second one to be announced anytime soon.

All I know is when I passed the road in July there was nothing happening there. And if it is going to take a truck every 90 seconds to keep that place running flat out, I am pretty sure people would notice all these trucks if it were going flat out.

Water John · 23-09-2017 12:40AM

RTE has it at €85m. IFJ and Agriland have it at €86m. What's a mill.
Can I have it please, since it doesn't seem to matter.
Danone spent a lot less in Macroom and they make the infant formula.

The built plant was priced originally at €68m. Later that slid up to €83.5m. Now at €86m. Is bidding closed yet on the final price?

Didn't get to see Mallow. Did see Mitchelstown, on its open days and wasn't knocked down by a delivering truck.
Must arrange a visit to Carbery, to see value for money.
BTW, they had to do a major upgrade on the waste water side, as well.

Farmer Ed · 23-09-2017 07:07AM

Water John wrote: »

RTE has it at €85m. IFJ and Agriland have it at €86m. What's a mill.
Can I have it please, since it doesn't seem to matter.
Danone spent a lot less in Macroom and they make the infant formula.

The built plant was priced originally at €68m. Later that slid up to €83.5m. Now at €86m. Is bidding closed yet on the final price?

Didn't get to see Mallow. Did see Mitchelstown, on its open days and wasn't knocked down by a delivering truck.
Must arrange a visit to Carbery, to see value for money.
BTW, they had to do a major upgrade on the waste water side, as well.

Macroom cost 50m and that included a bigger drier than mallow and bringing a gas line 25 km from Brinny and the up grading of an existing drier to gas. And funnily enough it does not smell either. And yes it is where Danone make actual infant formula that can be fed to babies of all nationalities and not just Chinese babies. Apparently its also very profitable apparently in 2016 alone the amount it had to pay for demineralized whey to the Irish processors was in the region of 20m less than in 2015.
These guys run a business after all and are not obliged to return their profits to the farmer. Even if the powder is produced in a "nutritional campus".

Actually Macroom was once a dairygold plant. Not sure how much they sold it for? Probably a lot less than 68, 83.5, 85 or even 86m.

I guess when it runs in to that type of money bean counters are no longer effective.

Sam Kade · 23-09-2017 09:07AM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Macroom cost 50m and that included a bigger drier than mallow and bringing a gas line 25 km from Brinny and the up grading of an existing drier to gas. And funnily enough it does not smell either. And yes it is where Danone make actual infant formula that can be fed to babies of all nationalities and not just Chinese babies. Apparently its also very profitable apparently in 2016 alone the amount it had to pay for demineralized whey to the Irish processors was in the region of 20m less than in 2015.
These guys run a business after all and are not obliged to return their profits to the farmer. Even if the powder is produced in a "nutritional campus".

Actually Macroom was once a dairygold plant. Not sure how much they sold it for? Probably a lot less than 68, 83.5, 85 or even 86m.

I guess when it runs in to that type of money bean counters are no longer effective.

So macroom was another one of Henchey's victims.

Farmer Ed · 23-09-2017 09:40AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Macroom cost 50m and that included a bigger drier than mallow and bringing a gas line 25 km from Brinny and the up grading of an existing drier to gas. And funnily enough it does not smell either. And yes it is where Danone make actual infant formula that can be fed to babies of all nationalities and not just Chinese babies. Apparently its also very profitable apparently in 2016 alone the amount it had to pay for demineralized whey to the Irish processors was in the region of 20m less than in 2015.
These guys run a business after all and are not obliged to return their profits to the farmer. Even if the powder is produced in a "nutritional campus".

Actually Macroom was once a dairygold plant. Not sure how much they sold it for? Probably a lot less than 68, 83.5, 85 or even 86m.

I guess when it runs in to that type of money bean counters are no longer effective.

So macroom was another one of Henchey's victims.

No can't blame him for that. To be fair that predated him. Dairygold still have a small office there. Not sure is it some kind of ego thing or what? Trucks form other co ops are in and out of the Danone plant all the time, but some are still under the impression Dairygold still have a stake in the place. Local milk samples can be taken in to the DG office to do a snap test. Why they can't use one of the local co op branches I have no idea? Apart from that I am not sure what purpose the office serves?

Water John · 23-09-2017 09:44AM

So Dairygold sold a business/plant that would need material that they could supply but did not stitch it into the sales contract?

Wonderful business acumen.

Farmer Ed · 23-09-2017 09:55AM

Water John wrote: »

So Dairygold sold a business/plant that would need material that they could supply but did not stitch it into the sales contract?

Wonderful business acumen.

Ah well at least they got to keep an office there for old times sake. Its a bit like still using CMP milk from Glanbia and Dairygold butter made by Kerry in their offices.

Perception is very important as we all know.

Water John · 23-09-2017 09:58AM

Indeed perception, just to correct one thing, Dairygold Spread made now by Kerry doesn't TMK qualify as butter. It's got palm oil in it.

And yet some liquid suppliers sat on the Board that sold CMP off. I don't see the West Cork boys, offloading Clona anytime soon.

Farmer Ed · 23-09-2017 10:15AM

You can still find small squares of Dairygold real butter served in Dairygold offices. So either A they have been storing it in a bog since before the brand was sold to Kerry or B it is made by Kerry. Dairygold don't own as much as a butter churn the last I heard. They do sell cream to Ornua along with most other Co Ops.

K.G. · 23-09-2017 10:32AM

Water John wrote: »

Indeed perception, just to correct one thing, Dairygold Spread made now by Kerry doesn't TMK qualify as butter. It's got palm oil in it.

And yet some liquid suppliers sat on the Board that sold CMP off. I don't see the West Cork boys, offloading Clona anytime soon.

Clona could be gone in flash.

biblio · 23-09-2017 01:44PM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

You can still find small squares of Dairygold real butter served in Dairygold offices. So either A they have been storing it in a bog since before the brand was sold to Kerry or B it is made by Kerry. Dairygold don't own as much as a butter churn the last I heard. They do sell cream to Ornua along with most other Co Ops.

Those Dairygold mini butters are made by either Arrabawn or Lakeland. I can't remember which .The plant code is on the back of the wrapper .

The Dairygold spread is made by Kerry. They have changed the ingredients and manufacturing method though, the texture is completely different from when it was made in the original plant.

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