Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

Donal55 · 19-09-2017 07:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He went 20 yards with one bounce in between, Is Joe blind or what ?

I just fcuking love it. Mayo fans on here have no problem condoning Keegan throwing objects at players, but get their knickers in a twist when a Dublin player takes more than the prescribed steps.

Talk about balance.

Utopia Parkway · 19-09-2017 07:45PM

jr86 wrote: »

But sure most of them will still only be early 30s. Far from too old in this day and age. With s & c nowadays, players will go on far longer with better game management

I don't see who coming through now will usurp these even past their primes.

The top tennis player in the world is 36, Toulon won a European cup a few years back littered with 30 somethings. Paul O'Connell had arguably his best season at 37 years of age

In fairness you are talking about the greatest tennis player in history there. A bonafide tennis genius.

In rugby older lads can still play amongst the forwards to a high level well into their 30's. You don't see it so much in the backs though which is probably a closer comparison to GAA.

Coillte_Bhoy · 19-09-2017 07:45PM

Donal55 wrote: »

I just fcuking love it. Mayo fans on here have no problem condoning Keegan throwing objects at players, but get their knickers in a twist when a Dublin player takes more than the prescribed steps.

Talk about balance.

Who has condoned it?

km79 · 19-09-2017 07:58PM

Donal55 wrote: »

I just fcuking love it. Mayo fans on here have no problem condoning Keegan throwing objects at players, but get their knickers in a twist when a Dublin player takes more than the prescribed steps.

Talk about balance.

It the exact equivalent of throwing the keepers tees away which I'm sure you have no problem with
Did what ye had to do to win which included a lot of gamesmanship !
Now go and enjoy it and stop annoying us

jr86 · 19-09-2017 07:58PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

In fairness you are talking about the greatest tennis player in history there. A bonafide tennis genius.

In rugby older lads can still play amongst the forwards to a high level well into their 30's. You don't see it so much in the backs though which is probably a closer comparison to GAA.

well besides federer so Muller who beat Nadal this year had his most successful season at 34, wawrinka won a major at 32, anderson just made his first final at 31, there's plenty more recent tennis examples and that's an individual sport.

I just don't get why there seems to be this general attitude that once you hit your 30s you're done. Cavanagh won tyrone an ulster last year, Donaghy had an outstanding year this year, remember tomas o'se bombing down the wing at 35 v dublin in 2013, Mickey lindon played an ulster final at 40! Ok these were great players but arguably much less to prove and far more reason to walk away earlier

joe35 · 19-09-2017 08:04PM

You can't blame the ref. All managers talk about controlling what they do and that's all you can do. Definitely the most obvious thing the ref missed was the black card that AOS should of received just after half time. The ref was very poor,for both teams, but that's not the reason mayo lost. They had ample opportunities to win but made bad decisions all day

Tellyium · 19-09-2017 08:08PM

jr86 wrote: »

well besides federer so Muller who beat Nadal this year had his most successful season at 34, wawrinka won a major at 32, anderson just made his first final at 31, there's plenty more recent tennis examples and that's an individual sport.

I just don't get why there seems to be this general attitude that once you hit your 30s you're done. Cavanagh won tyrone an ulster last year, Donaghy had an outstanding year this year, remember tomas o'se bombing down the wing at 35 v dublin in 2013, Mickey lindon played an ulster final at 40! Ok these were great players but arguably much less to prove and far more reason to walk away earlier

It's not the age that's going to take management, this Mayo team have a LOT of football played. 4 finals in 6 years - with the other two years being exits after semi final replays? That's serious mileage and they've shown exceptional durability and character to keep coming back.

jr86 · 19-09-2017 08:09PM

joe35 wrote: »

You can't blame the ref. All managers talk about controlling what they do and that's all you can do. Definitely the most obvious thing the ref missed was the black card that AOS should of received just after half time. The ref was very poor,for both teams, but that's not the reason mayo lost. They had ample opportunities to win but made bad decisions all day

The five key first half misses for me - three of them complete gimmes

I think at 3+ clear at HT would have been enough

ProudDUB · 19-09-2017 08:09PM

PARlance wrote: »

There's only one thing I would ask of the Dubs. Could you have a word with Jim and his merry men. Yet again I've heard the "we didn't perform in a final" line from them... not a whole pile bugs me, but that certainly does.

Kilkenny had 66 possessions against Tyrone. He had 8 against us. He wasn't allowed perform to the best of his ability. It's a small thing and there was plenty of mutual appreciation going around but I do think that line is a kick in the teeth.

I genuinely don't understand the upset over the phrase "under performed". We under performed in this years final, just as we did last years. Just as Kerry did in the 2015 AI final. Just as Mayo did in this years drawn quarter final against the Rossies and, the two Connaught semi final losses to Galway, two years in a row. It happens.

Whether the other team was just so good, they nullified all that makes you great, or you just came out flat and under motivated on the day, or the manager got all his match ups wrong, or complacency sets in... it's probably six of one and half a dozen of the other, depending on which side of the win/loss column you wind up on. Fact is, teams under perform for a variety of reasons. Dublin have under performed in the past and will under perform again in the future. As will Mayo. As will all other teams at some stage or other.

Getting upset over it, serves no purpose, especially if you are expecting the other crowds manager or players to start waxing lyrical about how great you are. That just ain't gonna happen. Not these days. Inter county managers are not going to hand their opponents the mental advantage of admitting they were shyte and the other crowd bate them out the gate, because they were a superior team. It is unrealistic to expect them to, when they are all so careful about what they say, especially as certain sections of the click bait media will blow things all out of proportion, the minute there is a hint of real openness and honesty.

jr86 · 19-09-2017 08:13PM

Tellyium wrote: »

It's not the age that's going to take management, this Mayo team have a LOT of football played. 4 finals in 6 years - with the other two years being exits after semi final replays? That's serious mileage and they've shown exceptional durability and character to keep coming back.

Everyone keeps saying that about "mileage" and so on every year since 2013. Yet this year some had their best ever season, none more so than their oldest player andy Moran.

Blackjack · 19-09-2017 08:24PM

jr86 wrote: »

Everyone keeps saying that about "mileage" and so on every year since 2013. Yet this year some had their best ever season, none more so than their oldest player andy Moran.

The mileage argument is a crock of **** to be honest.

djPSB · 19-09-2017 08:30PM

jr86 wrote: »

well besides federer so Muller who beat Nadal this year had his most successful season at 34, wawrinka won a major at 32, anderson just made his first final at 31, there's plenty more recent tennis examples and that's an individual sport.

I just don't get why there seems to be this general attitude that once you hit your 30s you're done. Cavanagh won tyrone an ulster last year, Donaghy had an outstanding year this year, remember tomas o'se bombing down the wing at 35 v dublin in 2013, Mickey lindon played an ulster final at 40! Ok these were great players but arguably much less to prove and far more reason to walk away earlier

Serena Williams is 35.

jr86 · 19-09-2017 08:31PM

djPSB wrote: »

Serena Williams is 35.

Venus 37 also!

SomethingElse · 19-09-2017 08:32PM

joe35 wrote: »

You can't blame the ref. All managers talk about controlling what they do and that's all you can do. Definitely the most obvious thing the ref missed was the black card that AOS should of received just after half time. The ref was very poor,for both teams, but that's not the reason mayo lost. They had ample opportunities to win but made bad decisions all day

Mayo should have had a free at the restart. Fenton clearly obstructed both Mayo midfielders, initially with a hold of Parsons and then blocks O'Sheas run. In fairness, McQuillan was probably too far away to spot it.

Tellyium · 19-09-2017 08:34PM

Blackjack wrote: »

The mileage argument is a crock of **** to be honest.

Sheesh, I didn't mean to piss on yere flowers, just saying they've a lot of ball played like.
Touched a nerve I think though...,

djPSB · 19-09-2017 08:39PM

There is talk that the unsporting Keegan GPSgate incident could now extend the curse to eternity.

martyos121 · 19-09-2017 08:46PM

Only curse to do with Mayo football is that this thread has to endure stupid shîte like that being posted. Or was it a joke?

Martina1991 · 19-09-2017 08:49PM

Nerdlingr wrote:

Any reason for Mayo to keep on subbing Colm Boyle ?? Thought it was a very poor decision on Sunday.

I've heard that he has a health condition and that when he runs 11km he has to come off. Maybe it's not 11km but when he has his distance done he has to come off.
Its a shame. He had a great year as we.

TCDStudent1 · 19-09-2017 08:55PM

if I was Mayo manager for next year, here are some things I'd do:

- fbd league purely for development panel. Do exactly what dublin did this year. Let this years panel on holiday for a couple of weeks in January. Scully emerged from that Dublin squad. Maybe a player will emerge in same way for Mayo that would make a difference later in the year

- I'd change captain. This is not a criticism of O'Connor. I think it could bring a freshness to Mayo in a small way. Joe canning spoke of being relieved when he wasn't Galway hurling captain any more despite being so honoured to do it. He'd be a player comparable to O'Connor in what he brings to his team. Give it to Keegan or Boyle to shake things up a little. How long has O'Connor been captain? I don't think O'Connor is as good as he was and maybe not having to worry about captaincy might help him.

djPSB · 19-09-2017 09:06PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

if I was Mayo manager for next year, here are some things I'd do:

- fbd league purely for development panel. Do exactly what dublin did this year. Let this years panel on holiday for a couple of weeks in January. Scully emerged from that Dublin squad. Maybe a player will emerge in same way for Mayo that would make a difference later in the year

- I'd change captain. This is not a criticism of O'Connor. I think it could bring a freshness to Mayo in a small way. Joe canning spoke of being relieved when he wasn't Galway hurling captain any more despite being so honoured to do it. He'd be a player comparable to O'Connor in what he brings to his team. Give it to Keegan or Boyle to shake things up a little. How long has O'Connor been captain? I don't think O'Connor is as good as he was and maybe not having to worry about captaincy might help him.

Think Mayo should also give Doherty a go at the frees.

irishgeo · 19-09-2017 09:07PM

I honestly think Rochford will go.

Cillian hasn't been the same since the shoulder op. Can't put his hand above his head now.

Gael85 · 19-09-2017 09:07PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

if I was Mayo manager for next year, here are some things I'd do:

- fbd league purely for development panel. Do exactly what dublin did this year. Let this years panel on holiday for a couple of weeks in January. Scully emerged from that Dublin squad. Maybe a player will emerge in same way for Mayo that would make a difference later in the year

- I'd change captain. This is not a criticism of O'Connor. I think it could bring a freshness to Mayo in a small way. Joe canning spoke of being relieved when he wasn't Galway hurling captain any more despite being so honoured to do it. He'd be a player comparable to O'Connor in what he brings to his team. Give it to Keegan or Boyle to shake things up a little. How long has O'Connor been captain? I don't think O'Connor is as good as he was and maybe not having to worry about captaincy might help him.

O'Connor would be better of concentrating on his football instead of trying to referee games. Maybe he feels as captain he needs to talk to referee? Mayo are not far away from wiining Sam. Prob need a natural full back and another forward to freshen things up. Where did Fergal Boland and Shane Nally go to?

19-09-2017 09:10PM

Gael85 wrote: »

Where did Fergal Boland and Shane Nally go to?

They need to be playing alot more this Winter and any other half decent forward that we can find.
Some of the current subs are not up to it.

PARlance · 19-09-2017 09:16PM

jr86 wrote: »

But sure most of them will still only be early 30s. Far from too old in this day and age. With s & c nowadays, players will go on far longer with better game management

I don't see who coming through now will usurp these even past their primes.

The top tennis player in the world is 36, Toulon won a European cup a few years back littered with 30 somethings. Paul O'Connell had arguably his best season at 37 years of age

The group I mentioned will probably have an average age of 33/34 in 3 years. There aren't too many players playing intercounty football today at that age... and I would guess that a very high % of those older players are keepers or inside forwards.

Ferderer might do a job playing off Andy but I wouldn't stick him on Con O'Callaghan.

Gael85 · 19-09-2017 09:16PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

The likes of Eoghan O'Gara dominate in the Leinster Championship yet are next to useless when facing a proper team.

O'Gara shouldn't have started yesterday but has done the business against Kerry and Mayo in big championship games. He can't be too bad if Keith Higgins stayed marking him in 2013 despite tearing his hamstring

Gael85 · 19-09-2017 09:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They need to be playing alot more this Winter and any other half decent forward that we can find.
Some of the current subs are not up to it.

Mayo played their best football in 2 Kerry games. Was the best kick passing I saw from them as ball was going in quick to inside line. Would AOS be better coming off bench as he slows the ball up too much?

Needles73 · 19-09-2017 09:22PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

I genuinely don't understand the upset over the phrase "under performed". We under performed in this years final, just as we did last years. Just as Kerry did in the 2015 AI final. Just as Mayo did in this years drawn quarter final against the Rossies and, the two Connaught semi final losses to Galway, two years in a row. It happens.

Whether the other team was just so good, they nullified all that makes you great, or you just came out flat and under motivated on the day, or the manager got all his match ups wrong, or complacency sets in... it's probably six of one and half a dozen of the other, depending on which side of the win/loss column you wind up on. Fact is, teams under perform for a variety of reasons. Dublin have under performed in the past and will under perform again in the future. As will Mayo. As will all other teams at some stage or other.

Getting upset over it, serves no purpose, especially if you are expecting the other crowds manager or players to start waxing lyrical about how great you are. That just ain't gonna happen. Not these days. Inter county managers are not going to hand their opponents the mental advantage of admitting they were shyte and the other crowd bate them out the gate, because they were a superior team. It is unrealistic to expect them to, when they are all so careful about what they say, especially as certain sections of the click bait media will blow things all out of proportion, the minute there is a hint of real openness and honesty.

Dublin and Mayo are neck and neck again and you rationalise it as Dublin under performed (as how else could Mayo dare run them so close...)
Dublin are a great team and worthy winners, full stop. But give Mayo the credit they deserve and accept that maybe just maybe Dublin aren't the perfect article and have weaknesses like every team.!

19-09-2017 09:26PM

Gael85 wrote: »

Mayo played their best football in 2 Kerry games. Was the best kick passing I saw from them as ball was going in quick to inside line. Would AOS be better coming off bench as he slows the ball up too much?

He'll likely be replacing his brother in Midfield shortly. He will need to be replaced by a half forward that will contribute to the scoreboard.

OShea could be moved to full forward at 60 minutes when he gets tired.

Blackjack · 19-09-2017 09:30PM

Tellyium wrote: »

Sheesh, I didn't mean to piss on yere flowers, just saying they've a lot of ball played like.
Touched a nerve I think though...,

Don't flatter yourself. You're not the only one trotting out that nonsensical line about mileage.

PARlance · 19-09-2017 09:32PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

I genuinely don't understand the upset over the phrase "under performed". We under performed in this years final, just as we did last years. Just as Kerry did in the 2015 AI final. Just as Mayo did in this years drawn quarter final against the Rossies and, the two Connaught semi final losses to Galway, two years in a row. It happens.

Whether the other team was just so good, they nullified all that makes you great, or you just came out flat and under motivated on the day, or the manager got all his match ups wrong, or complacency sets in... it's probably six of one and half a dozen of the other, depending on which side of the win/loss column you wind up on. Fact is, teams under perform for a variety of reasons. Dublin have under performed in the past and will under perform again in the future. As will Mayo. As will all other teams at some stage or other.

Getting upset over it, serves no purpose, especially if you are expecting the other crowds manager or players to start waxing lyrical about how great you are. That just ain't gonna happen. Not these days. Inter county managers are not going to hand their opponents the mental advantage of admitting they were shyte and the other crowd bate them out the gate, because they were a superior team. It is unrealistic to expect them to, when they are all so careful about what they say, especially as certain sections of the click bait media will blow things all out of proportion, the minute there is a hint of real openness and honesty.

Ah petal, I said it bugs me. I'm not upset or in tears over it. I've laid out the reason why it bugs me.

Dublin didn't perform to their full potential because they weren't allowed to. The performed as much as they could and were flat out at the end of the game like Mayo were. The term "under performed" would commonly be interrupted as they didn't turn up or could have given more. I take that as a slight on Mayo. There was no more to give from a lot of players leaving that field on both sides. Dublin won a great battle.

Don't be getting upset with something that bugs me

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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