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Saorview Connect

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  • #782
    Maysa07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Maysa07


    The Cush wrote: »
    IBC interview with Richard Waghorn, Director of Transformation and Technology, RTÉ

    https://www.ibc.org/content-management/interview-richard-waghorn-rte/2258.article

    Saorview Connect


    Reference to Freesat being included



    At IBC2017, Richard Waghorn is one of the speakers at Delivering an Exceptional Consumer Media Experience

    Some clues\clue in there
    One intention is to use those trials to develop our skills base,” he says.
    ;)


  • #783
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Maysa07 wrote: »
    Some clues\clue in there ;)

    I assume there is an NDA for anyone on the trials.


  • #784
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    Do these modern boxes come with bluetooth functionality? I think it would be handy to be able to watch a match or some programme without disturbing others.


  • #785
    FRIENDO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    From reading the above press release, it sounds the launch must be very soon.


  • #786
    The Cush
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    Do these modern boxes come with bluetooth functionality? I think it would be handy to be able to watch a match or some programme without disturbing others.

    Not sure but unlikely, Freesat, the company behind Saorview Connect are developing a next generation Freesat box which appears to include SkyQ like functionality. This might come to the next generation of Saorview boxes

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=104564030


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  • #787
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    The Cush wrote: »
    Not sure but unlikely, Freesat, the company behind Saorview Connect are developing a next generation Freesat box which appears to include SkyQ like functionality. This might come to the next generation of Saorview boxes

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=104564030

    Well even if they came with a 2nd usb port you can add one of those bluetooth adapters.


  • #788
    Maysa07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Maysa07


    The Cush wrote: »
    I assume there is an NDA for anyone on the trials.

    Id say most definitely!!


  • #789
    JDxtra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    Well even if they came with a 2nd usb port you can add one of those bluetooth adapters.

    Forget about Bluetooth. Maybe next generation Freesat boxes will permit streaming of live/recorded content over WiFi - but that's a long way off.


  • #790
    JDxtra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    The article says that they are doing trials for disaster recovery - likely backend transmission. Not for Saorview Connect boxes in peoples homes.


  • #791
    Thurston?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭Thurston?


    The Cush wrote: »
    ... Reference to Freesat being included

    I wonder was this a 'helpful' reference added by the article writer on the basis of 'free satellite must be Freesat', without actually checking properly?


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  • #792
    peking97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭peking97


    FRIENDO wrote: »
    From reading the above press release, it sounds the launch must be very soon.

    Wouldn't be so sure about that....Here's the reply I received just six days ago when I asked if they had a launch target date!

    "Thank you for asking. We are still working on getting the first boxes ready, but we don't have a launch date yet.

    To be among the first to know about the launch of SAORVIEW Connect, we suggest, if you have not already done so, that you sign up for a SAORVIEW ID at https://www.saorview.ie/id. As soon, as the launch date is announced, we will let you know via this."


  • #793
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    The Cush wrote: »
    IBC interview with Richard Waghorn, Director of Transformation and Technology, RTÉ

    https://www.ibc.org/content-management/interview-richard-waghorn-rte/2258.article

    That's bizarre; it's all in the past tense, as though the service is out there being used.


  • #794
    Tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,355 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    There is

    The Cush wrote: »
    I assume there is an NDA for anyone on the trials.

    Owner: satellite.ie



  • #795
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,924 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    “We brought to the market an advanced free offer – a connected box with access to broadband. "

    Strange market ...... no sign of it yet!


  • #796
    funnyname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭funnyname


    I cancelled sky last week so if nothing appears by the 6th of Oct then I'll sign up for another month of sky and so on until it is released.


  • #797
    JDxtra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    funnyname wrote: »
    I cancelled sky last week so if nothing appears by the 6th of Oct then I'll sign up for another month of sky and so on until it is released.

    Don't hold your....


  • #798
    corm500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭corm500


    What a great thread this is. In the last 24 hours I've gone from active resignation the this box would never arrive to an optimistic feeling that it will ��


  • #799
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    JDxtra wrote: »
    The article says that they are doing trials for disaster recovery - likely backend transmission. Not for Saorview Connect boxes in peoples homes.

    He says "we are looking at undertaking a number of proof of concepts for disaster recovery using IP", that number could include to Saorview Connect boxes/TVs in people's homes when you consider the new player will include live transmission of channels and could be used as a backup if the local transmitter/network does down.


  • #800
    One_Of_Shanks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭One_Of_Shanks


    corm500 wrote: »
    What a great thread this is. In the last 24 hours I've gone from active resignation the this box would never arrive to an optimistic feeling that it will ��

    Yep, it's a great thread and fair play to Cush and Gerry and others who have been fantastic with info, and also fairly sound the way it was allowed to wander off topic from the connect box to other saorview stuff and everyone remained patient and helpful. Great thread is right


  • #801
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Thurston? wrote: »
    I wonder was this a 'helpful' reference added by the article writer on the basis of 'free satellite must be Freesat', without actually checking properly?

    Maybe, but not forgetting Richard Waghorn was a Board Director of Freesat (UK) Ltd from 2007 to 2009, overseeing the launch of platform in 2008.


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  • #802
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    If the Connect box is going to allow transmission of saorview channels over iptv does this open the possibility of channels not in HD (TG4 and TV3) transmitting in HD over iptv?


  • #803
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    If the Connect box is going to allow transmission of saorview channels over iptv does this open the possibility of channels not in HD (TG4 and TV3) transmitting in HD over iptv?
    If it doesn't have Freesat EPG then having TG4 in HD is about the only thing that might tempt me.

    Much of what's on TV3 is available in HD on FreeSat anyway.


  • #804
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Irish Times wrote:
    ‘Prohibitive’ costs mean TV3 HD is unlikely to join free-to-air platform before Six Nations.

    RTE is conducting a technical field trial for Saorview Connect, the on-demand upgrade to the Saorview platform that it first announced in January 2016. But no launch date has been set for the service, which was originally supposed to go on the market last year. Saorview Connect, a partnership between RTE transmission subsidiary 2rn and UK television platform Freesat, is designed to offer much greater levels of functionality than the current generation of Saorview set-top boxes.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/no-launch-date-for-rt%C3%A9-s-delayed-saorview-connect-service-1.3226968


  • #805
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Without satellite content what's the point? Dublin 4 still doesn't get the notion that many rural viewers don't have broadband.


  • #806
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,395 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Apogee wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/no-launch-date-for-rt%C3%A9-s-delayed-saorview-connect-service-1.3226968

    I wonder how much does "prohibilitive cost" amount to? Could they not stick €5 on to the licence fee and have the lot in HD or are we walking something crazy like €20 million plus for a years worth?

    This seems absolutely crazy to target the youth market with the current saorview lineup of channels to purchase Saorview connect...
    RTÉ has contracted Thinkhouse, the marketing agency that claims an “innate understanding of youth culture”, to handle the promotion and public relations for Saorview Connect as soon as the launch date is fixed.


  • #807
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,418 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    I wonder how much does "prohibilitive cost" amount to? Could they not stick €5 on to the licence fee and have the lot in HD or are we walking something crazy like €20 million plus for a years worth?

    This seems absolutely crazy to target the youth market with the current saorview lineup of channels to purchase Saorview connect...

    Prohibitive cost means RTE pick up twice the amount that TV3, OTV, and TG4 pay. [€8m instead of €4m for all of the others]. There is no reason that I can see why ComReg and BAI continue to allow the current situation to continue where bandwidth is burnt off while TV3 refuse to go HD. RTE pay for two HD channels and two SD channels while only allowed to advertise on two of them, while TV3 are allowed to advertis on three channels with twice the advertising minutes per hour than RTE are allowed. It is just short changing the licence holders and allowing TV3 a free ride.

    The rules should be changed such that SD means 720 by 576i and HD means either 1044 by 1080i or 1920 by 1080i. Also, if a channel is available in HD, it must be broadcast in HD on Saorview. The transmission charges will not be significantly different if they were to do this. The alternative would be to give Mux1 to RTE, and get the others to pay for Mux2 between them, after all, RTE built and paid for the DTV network from their own resources (our resources).

    However, politicians do not like RTE as they show them in a poor light - justifiably.


  • #808
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    I would have had no problem paying an extra €10/20 per year on the licence fee if it meant all channels were in HD and a proper iptv box was available.

    Will tv3/tg4 players be available on this Connect box if they are not contributing to its financing or is there an obligation for them to be allowed on it?


  • #809
    PabloAndRoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭PabloAndRoy


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Prohibitive cost means RTE pick up twice the amount that TV3, OTV, and TG4 pay. [€8m instead of €4m for all of the others]. There is no reason that I can see why ComReg and BAI continue to allow the current situation to continue where bandwidth is burnt off while TV3 refuse to go HD. RTE pay for two HD channels and two SD channels while only allowed to advertise on two of them, while TV3 are allowed to advertis on three channels with twice the advertising minutes per hour than RTE are allowed. It is just short changing the licence holders and allowing TV3 a free ride.

    The rules should be changed such that SD means 720 by 576i and HD means either 1044 by 1080i or 1920 by 1080i. Also, if a channel is available in HD, it must be broadcast in HD on Saorview. The transmission charges will not be significantly different if they were to do this. The alternative would be to give Mux1 to RTE, and get the others to pay for Mux2 between them, after all, RTE built and paid for the DTV network from their own resources (our resources).

    However, politicians do not like RTE as they show them in a poor light - justifiably.

    I see this comment about the lack of advertising on RTÉJr and RTÉ News Now all the time on this forum. I would like to say that not advertising to children is a GOOD thing, IMHO.

    As for the news channel, does anyone watch it? The format is interesting and could be useful, but the fuzzy vision broadcast makes it a bit crappy (again IMHO). Should be allowed to advertise though...


  • #810
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,418 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    PabloAndRoy wrote: »
    I see this comment about the lack of advertising on RTÉJr and RTÉ News Now all the time on this forum. I would like to say that not advertising to children is a GOOD thing, IMHO.

    As for the news channel, does anyone watch it? The format is interesting and could be useful, but the fuzzy vision broadcast makes it a bit crappy (again IMHO). Should be allowed to advertise though...

    There is a dedicated children's channel - without advertising (proper order). However, afterwards, RTE +1 takes over and although it has advertising, it has a very small audience because it is a repeat of RTE 1 an hour earlier, and nearly no-one watches it. I doubt they get paid any extra for those adverts. Also RTE2 has hours of children's programmes broadcast every day, also with no adverts, so no income from daytime programmes. This time could be used for films or other low cost programmes but able to get advertising income.

    The News Channel is not allowed to carry paid adverts so there is no money to pay journos to provide the news, or production staff to deliver it, so the channel is crap and no-one watches it. A properly resourced news channel would be fantastic and a great asset to the nation - just as the BBC News channel is and as France24 is.

    RTE have to pay transmission charges for both these channels at the same rate as TV3 does for its fuzzy vision channel, which carries up to 12 mins per hour, which is twice that allowed to RTE. This is not a level playing field.


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  • #811
    PabloAndRoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭PabloAndRoy


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    There is a dedicated children's channel - without advertising (proper order). However, afterwards, RTE +1 takes over and although it has advertising, it has a very small audience because it is a repeat of RTE 1 an hour earlier, and nearly no-one watches it. I doubt they get paid any extra for those adverts.

    The News Channel is not allowed to carry paid adverts so there is no money to pay journos to provide the news, or production staff to deliver it, so the channel is crap and no-one watches it. A properly resourced news channel would be fantastic and a great asset to the nation - just as the BBC News channel is and as France24 is.

    RTE have to pay transmission charges for both these channels at the same rate as TV3 does for its fuzzy vision channel, which carries up to 12 mins per hour, which is twice that allowed to RTE. This is not a level playing field.

    I agree that it is not a level playing field. No doubt about it. TV3 have no interest in Saorview* as I would imagine it does not provide a ROI that is meaningful to them.

    Perhaps I was misunderstanding what you meant by 2 channels without advertising.. I thought you meant the Jr & News Now. wrt the the children's channel lack of advertising I think this is down to a regulation/law actually. I have some vague recollection of this being enacted at some point in the past.

    I fully agree that a dedicated news channel would be a great asset and in fairness to RTÉ, they are very good at this sort of thing. RTÉ Radio One is a shining example of a quality radio station, well targeted and superbly executed. It really does shine, even if Marian Finucane is "a little over paid" for the amount of hours she does a week. Oh.. the big exception for me is bloody Tubs. I always turn over when he comes on in the morning. That show does not fit in with the channels overall image. Sorry for discussing radio in a TV forum, but poor old RTÉ get such a bashing in these forums, I thought I would point out that it is not all bad.

    * perhaps a successful Saorview COnnect service might push TV3 into taking the DTT venture seriously.


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