All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

OldMrBrennan83 · 10-09-2017 12:03PM

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cosatron · 10-09-2017 12:30PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Wait till you read Joe's book next year, "I am Galway"...

Or ' Rachel and me, a gaa love story'

aidan24326 · 10-09-2017 01:08PM

djPSB wrote: »

He doesn't come across well. Very arrogant and disrespectful. Hard listen to as a pundit too.

Must have forgot about Lar's hat trick.

Lads with a book to sell will say/write any oul' sh1te for a bit of publicity. I wouldn't take much notice of him. His comments about Tipp are pure nonsense.

I said · 10-09-2017 01:18PM

Best publicity ever having lads on here spouting scutter about what goes on in his head.
Read or don't read it who gives a fiddlers he has more all irelands than me or anyone else on here I reckon so he is well entitled to say whatever he wants.

C__MC · 10-09-2017 01:23PM

Joe canning has played the poor mouth a we bit to much this year.

I said · 10-09-2017 01:24PM

C__MC wrote: »

Joe canning has played the poor mouth a we bit to much this year.

Elaborate?

C__MC · 10-09-2017 01:25PM

Jackie has 9 all Ireland's enough said. He wasn't the most skilful hurler but he is the guy you'd want in war. His point in 2009 final summed him up.

Realt Dearg Sec · 10-09-2017 02:52PM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Attaching the word great to Tyrell is beyond belief. Jackie is in the Gerry Quinn bracket of player, take a player's eye out rather than try and out hurl them. That's the measure of the man. His words are his words, and he is advocating what he is advocating.

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Whose eye did he try to take out?

evolving tipperary · 10-09-2017 03:28PM

'Assigned by Brian Cody to shadow Lar Corbett in 2011, Tipp’s rangy and coltish goal machine, Tyrrell took to the task with glee, standing on his opponent’s toes, kicking at his heels, trying to pull down his socks, which Corbett always wore stretched to knee-level.
“At one stage when he tried to dart away from me, I caught his helmet. My fingers edged through the bars on his faceguard and I scraped him below the eye with my fingernails. I’m not sure if I drew blood but when Lar started complaining to the referee I just shrugged my shoulders.”

https://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/p180/Library/SF889/676704.jpg

mickmackey1 · 10-09-2017 03:57PM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

I find it hilarious that some people think the issue is either about being boring or controversial!

Also, Jackie is not or never was or will be a great player. He'll be the first person to tell you that. He was a dog, a hard worker, who gave it everything he got. That doesn't make him great. For example, Tony Browne or Ciaran Carey he was not. Medals or winning don't make the player. If Ollie Canning, Tony Browne or Carey were born in KK, I think it's safe to say Tyrell would not be on the team sheet ahead of them. Surely that's one of the markers of greatness, a player who would make any side of his generation in numerous positions. Tyrell was never good enough to man a central position - like truly great players like Brian Whelehan or Brian Corcoran - who played all over the field. Forwards or backs.

The issue is not controversy or the book. The issue is how Tyrell believes the game should be played and how he played the game. The issue is the example he is setting. The issue is his complete lack of class.

Look how at Joe Canning carried himself over the All-Ireland and years. That's a great player - great players bring something to sport beyond the 'game'. Tyrell doesn't see it as sport or a game. His ego is completely wrapped up in 'winning at any cost'. Joe Canning, Brian Corcoran, Brian Whelehan, or DJ Carey are the type of men and players, Jackie Tyrell couldn't dream of being. Attaching the word great to Tyrell is beyond belief. Jackie is in the Gerry Quinn bracket of player, take a player's eye out rather than try and out hurl them. That's the measure of the man. His words are his words, and he is advocating what he is advocating.

The whole attempt to ape a Roy Keane-style biography is what it is, tasteless and copied. No originality. Say anything at all costs to make a few pound in the market and stay relevant as a pundit a la Joe Brolly's style. That's Tyrell's limit view of winning and 'the game'.

Well-written post, but Tyrell certainly achieved some measure of greatness.

evolving tipperary · 10-09-2017 04:14PM

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Well-written post, but Tyrell certainly achieved some measure of greatness.

I'll concede there is certainly an argument to be made for it considering the medal haul. But, personally, I seem him as a few rungs below a lot of great players.
But, that is the weakness of the argument- It's my own personal perspective.

Was he as good as JJ or Tommy? Not in my book. Noel Hickey? Not in my book. Kavanagh? Not in my book. Brian Hogan? Not in my book.
As a left corner back that will hold his man - excellent. But there are lot more things to it than that before I start throwing around the word great.

But, maybe, there is a difference to things like a great player and just saying 'The Great DJ Carey' or the 'The Great Brian Whelehan'. If you get me - some players go past, go beyond a meaning just on the field of play.

If someone says to me, how do you rate JT? I say, a very good player, beyond tough and tight. A dog. And, as dirty as a prostitute's mattress in the middle of a heatwave in June...

mickmackey1 · 10-09-2017 04:21PM

Not JJ or Tommy but I'd put him on a par with the others. Anyway I'll wait a few months and pick up a copy for 99c.

10-09-2017 06:22PM

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Well-written post, but Tyrell certainly achieved some measure of greatness.

No one is disputing the fact Tyrell was an outstanding hurler in his own right but does he really need to resort to this filth on the field? i mean im all on for a good hard shoulder and the odd ferocious whip on a ball but stamping on toes, grabbing faceguards is really knuckleheaded carry on.

dubcat51 · 10-09-2017 08:53PM

For me he was a great player and leader in a team of leaders.what other teams like cork waterford or galway wouldnt have given for a player like jackie.as for a central role he captained stephens to a county title v ballyhale at centre back.books are made for selling pure and simple and by the q in kk on saturday morning he sold a load.

evolving tipperary · 10-09-2017 09:13PM

dubcat51 wrote: »

For me he was a great player and leader in a team of leaders.what other teams like cork waterford or galway wouldnt have given for a player like jackie.as for a central role he captained stephens to a county title v ballyhale at centre back.books are made for selling pure and simple and by the q in kk on saturday morning he sold a load.

In all fairness, playing center back at club level is not the business end of the inter county championship.

dubcat51 · 10-09-2017 09:18PM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

In all fairness, playing center back at club level is not the business end of the inter county championship.

Agreed but playing corner back is just as important a role.his stoppinf if corbett in 11 was the most important role of the day.so much so that lar tried to mark tommy in 12.

evolving tipperary · 10-09-2017 09:37PM

dubcat51 wrote: »

Agreed but playing corner back is just as important a role.his stoppinf if corbett in 11 was the most important role of the day.so much so that lar tried to mark tommy in 12.

Can't agree that corner back is as important a position as a center back. Potentially, if a corner back has a rotten day a corner forward can go to town. You could lose a game if a 6 is taken to the cleaners. The center back - holds the center - it's key - and his role as a link to midfield and half forwards is crucial. If a center forward or midfielders break through the 6 position the whole backline is in trouble. Good distribution from the 6 can make a forwards day. The 6 will see a lot more ball than a corner back - unless the strategy is a short puck out.

If we get into examples of games we'll be here all day!

We'll have to agree to disagree on Tyrell's greatness. I've made my points on it in a few earlier posts. Don't want to rehash them. But, I'll gladly debate it further if you want to go into details.

Maybe you won't agree with this, but I think Peter Barry was a better center back than Tyrell. Both at their peak like. But, I would concede that Barry would never make a corner back never mind be on the level of Tyrell as a corner back. So overall I'd say Tyrell was a more rounded player. But, I wouldn't say Barry or Tyrell was one of the greats of the game like DJ or Brian Corcoran.

Powerhouse · 10-09-2017 09:56PM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

'Assigned by Brian Cody to shadow Lar Corbett in 2011, Tipp’s rangy and coltish goal machine, Tyrrell took to the task with glee, standing on his opponent’s toes, kicking at his heels, trying to pull down his socks, which Corbett always wore stretched to knee-level.
“At one stage when he tried to dart away from me, I caught his helmet. My fingers edged through the bars on his faceguard and I scraped him below the eye with my fingernails. I’m not sure if I drew blood but when Lar started complaining to the referee I just shrugged my shoulders.”

It says something about the guy that he would consign this to print and probably thinks it reflects well on him. He might have been lucky enough to be born at the right time in the right place so that he won a load of honours, which many people find it hard to get past and his apologists routinely hide behind, but this sort of stuff proves that he is not worthy of any sort of mention when people talk about great hurlers. In fairness to him he head-butted Colin Fennelly in a Kilkenny County final so he was an equal opportunities hit-man. But an out and out hit-man he was, nothing more nothing less. Damned by his own words. The frontal charges when the opponent was most vulnerable was one thing but scraping someone's face through the helmet FFS, could he get much lower? A genuinely great hurler would have relied on his hurling ability rather than scummy carry-on like that.

Powerhouse · 10-09-2017 10:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No one is disputing the fact Tyrell was an outstanding hurler in his own right but does he really need to resort to this filth on the field? i mean im all on for a good hard shoulder and the odd ferocious whip on a ball but stamping on toes, grabbing faceguards is really knuckleheaded carry on.

Plenty would dispute the word "outstanding". Give your own view but don't assume the world agrees with you. And if this is indicative of his reaction when meeting a player whose ability threatens him the strength of the argument that he was not outstanding grows. Outstanding players should not have to resort to that.

jam83 · 10-09-2017 11:47PM

Have to credit Cyril Farrell on the Sunday game. Unparalleled knowledge of camogie and hurling players from big and lesser known counties. He fairly does go off broadway to watch matches. It seems to be a serious addiction for him! The enthusiasm he has for camogie seems to be the same as for hurling.

11-09-2017 03:12AM

Powerhouse wrote: »

Plenty would dispute the word "outstanding". Give your own view but don't assume the world agrees with you. And if this is indicative of his reaction when meeting a player whose ability threatens him the strength of the argument that he was not outstanding grows. Outstanding players should not have to resort to that.

Fair enough i am giving my own view and not forcing anyone to go along with it. Take it or leave it mate its up to you and whoever else

Nettle Soup · 11-09-2017 10:10AM

Nice article

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/comment-if-the-cup-was-galways-the-privilege-was-all-ours-36116607.html

Shurimgreat · 11-09-2017 10:46AM

evolving tipperary wrote: »

'Assigned by Brian Cody to shadow Lar Corbett in 2011, Tipp’s rangy and coltish goal machine, Tyrrell took to the task with glee, standing on his opponent’s toes, kicking at his heels, trying to pull down his socks, which Corbett always wore stretched to knee-level.
“At one stage when he tried to dart away from me, I caught his helmet. My fingers edged through the bars on his faceguard and I scraped him below the eye with my fingernails. I’m not sure if I drew blood but when Lar started complaining to the referee I just shrugged my shoulders.”

https://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/p180/Library/SF889/676704.jpg

He's sounding a bit like the Philly McMahon of hurling with those comments.

djPSB · 11-09-2017 11:58AM

jam83 wrote: »

Have to credit Cyril Farrell on the Sunday game. Unparalleled knowledge of camogie and hurling players from big and lesser known counties. He fairly does go off broadway to watch matches. It seems to be a serious addiction for him! The enthusiasm he has for camogie seems to be the same as for hurling.

He's a Buff Egan wanabee. And you can believe that.

Realt Dearg Sec · 11-09-2017 01:11PM

djPSB wrote: »

jam83 wrote: »

Have to credit Cyril Farrell on the Sunday game. Unparalleled knowledge of camogie and hurling players from big and lesser known counties. He fairly does go off broadway to watch matches. It seems to be a serious addiction for him! The enthusiasm he has for camogie seems to be the same as for hurling.

He's a Buff Egan wanabee. And you can believe that.

Cyril Farrell is a Buff Egan wannabe?
What?

I said · 11-09-2017 01:13PM

Did anyone on here that is a season ticket holder have trouble getting a ticket for the final?
I've heard two incidents that they were near impossible got.

I said · 11-09-2017 01:15PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Cyril Farrell is a Buff Egan wannabe?
What?

Buff is under a lot of strain recently re:snapchat outburst and whatever went on at the 21 final Saturday

jam83 · 11-09-2017 01:55PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Cyril Farrell is a Buff Egan wannabe?
What?

Sarcasm!
The thing with Farrell is you know he'd be at all these games for colleges, camogie, club hurling, club camogie even if he wasn't on tv to talk about it.

greenspurs · 11-09-2017 02:28PM

I said wrote: »

Buff is under a lot of strain recently re:snapchat outburst and whatever went on at the 21 final Saturday

>??

Realt Dearg Sec · 11-09-2017 03:12PM

jam83 wrote: »

Sarcasm!
The thing with Farrell is you know he'd be at all these games for colleges, camogie, club hurling, club camogie even if he wasn't on tv to talk about it.

Sorry, twas early in the morning over here when I read that...

All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

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