Kids on Flights

Tell me how · 03-09-2017 11:51AM

caniask86 wrote:

If your child is special needs then they should sit far away in a little corner with sound proof walls and out of sight.

I think you're being overly dramatic. Common consensus is a need for understanding "on all sides" which is where things are falling apart.

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 11:59AM

Tell me how wrote: »

caniask86 wrote:

If your child is special needs then they should sit far away in a little corner with sound proof walls and out of sight.

I think you're being overly dramatic. Common consensus is a need for understanding "on all sides" which is where things are falling apart.

I think other posters are being over dramatic about children.

dr.fuzzenstein · 03-09-2017 12:18PM

Bitches Be Trypsin wrote: »

Not for tapping someone's chair, for repeatedly kicking a person in the leg. That's violence in public and it's illegal. If you cared to properly read my previous post you'd know that.

I did. I think the children are not your issue...

mewe · 03-09-2017 12:27PM

This thread :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1hcc1QvM2Q

El Horseboxo · 03-09-2017 12:32PM

I don't get why you'd put your child through that. Go on a local holiday. I traveled with my autistic nephew on a 4 hour flight before and it was a horrific experience for him. Right from the moment we stepped into the airport. All the lining up, the amount of people rushing by, the announcements on the intercom, the security checks, the boarding, then the noise of the plane. The feeling on his ears, his parents getting stressed when others were visibly pissed off. It wasn't his fault but to an outsider he was being extremely unruly. Then the same process when landing in the airport. Then the strange or different smells and language agitated him. Not to mention the heat. And then everything was repeated on the way home. The poor child had a horrible time. This was about 6 years ago and all their trips have been close by with no flying since. I think sometimes you need to make some unfortunate sacrifices if you have a child that may not react well to flying.

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 01:53PM

If you know one child with autism you know one child with autism.

irishmoss · 03-09-2017 02:17PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

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It's the same with air travel. Some people do it once a year and pay a lot to do it and seem to think they're in some sort of 1950's avantegard jetset elite group and any minor (again) perceived annoyance is eating in to their moment of affluence and prestige.

You can see it down through this thread. Normal folk taking a flight or a dinner in a restaurant thinking their highfalutin, affluent people attending the height of culture and worldliness.

When really... they're on a Ryanair flight or in a family friendly Bistro. Not at the opera.

They're just not used to it. And it shows when they start tut-tuting at families with kids that are most likely more used to dining out and traveling abroad.

Sounds like "Old money" versus "new money" were the old stock look down on the man made wealth with disdain. Disdain also for the hardworking person who has saved up to go on a flight or a meal out and what's going through your head is "here's the pigs out of the parlour for the day, the're just not used to it like us who dine out all the time and fly more than them"

I'd be ashamed if I thought I reared my son with those values and his perceptions of the older generation

Bitches Be Trypsin · 03-09-2017 02:36PM

caniask86 wrote: »

I think other posters are being over dramatic about children.

Honestly if a child, regardless of autistic or not, repeatedly kicked me, I wouldn't be long sorting them out and kicking them back.

Tell me how · 03-09-2017 02:36PM

caniask86 wrote:

If you know one child with autism you know one child with autism.

What do you mean by this?

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 02:37PM

Tell me how wrote: »

caniask86 wrote:

If you know one child with autism you know one child with autism.

What do you mean by this?

That no child with Autism is alike. It's a huge spectrum with no child having the same issues. Not all children with autism have meltdowns etc

osarusan · 03-09-2017 02:39PM

Bitches Be Trypsin wrote: »

Honestly if a child, regardless of autistic or not, repeatedly kicked me, I wouldn't be long sorting them out and kicking them back.

Strong contender for the Keyboard Warrior of the Year award here.

Bitches Be Trypsin · 03-09-2017 02:41PM

osarusan wrote: »

Strong contender for the Keyboard Warrior of the Year award here.

Not necessarily. As I previously said, I have a condition which means I live in chronic pain. If I was kicked multiple times I could lose the ability to walk for days on end

If kicking a child (admittedly not full force) would stop them, of course I would.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 03-09-2017 02:47PM

Bitches Be Trypsin wrote: »

Not necessarily. As I previously said, I have a condition which means I live in chronic pain. If I was kicked multiple times I could lose the ability to walk for days on end

If kicking a child (admittedly not full force) would stop them, of course I would.

I presume you could be arrested for that?

Tell me how · 03-09-2017 02:49PM

caniask86 wrote:

That no child with Autism is alike. It's a huge spectrum with no child having the same issues. Not all children with autism have meltdowns etc

Completely understand but I don't think anybody reasonable is suggesting that one size fits all with respect to preparing for, how it might play out or handling a situation that may be difficult.

What is hoped for is conscious/reasonable consideration of all people sharing a public space. Not defacto expectation of complete support and understanding from just one side.

For the record, my heart goes out to everyone on the original flight being discussed, the child, parents other passengers and staff. Nobody had an enjoyable experience.

Bitches Be Trypsin · 03-09-2017 02:49PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

I presume you could be arrested for that?

Not in an act of self defence. It's the law. Regardless of the age of the attacker, you have the right to defend yourself.

Tell me how · 03-09-2017 02:50PM

Bitches Be Trypsin wrote:

Not in an act of self defence. It's the law. Regardless of the age of the attacker, you have the right to defend yourself.

"Reasonably" defend yourself. Don't know if kicking a child would be viewed as reasonable.

Allinall · 03-09-2017 02:51PM

Bitches Be Trypsin wrote: »

Not in an act of self defence. It's the law. Regardless of the age of the attacker, you have the right to defend yourself.

That's a contender for funniest post of the year.

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 02:53PM

Tell me how wrote: »

caniask86 wrote:

That no child with Autism is alike. It's a huge spectrum with no child having the same issues. Not all children with autism have meltdowns etc

Completely understand but I don't think anybody reasonable is suggesting that one size fits all with respect to preparing for, how it might play out or handling a situation that may be difficult.

What is hoped for is conscious/reasonable consideration of all people sharing a public space. Not defacto expectation of complete support and understanding from just one side.

For the record, my heart goes out to everyone on the original flight being discussed, the child, parents other passengers and staff. Nobody had an enjoyable experience.

I agree with you and as I've stated many times that I do everything possible to avoid meltdowns and make my son comfortable so that everyone can have a stress free flight. I'll I'm staying is that sometimes I might not be possible despite all the effort we put in and if my son kicks off one time out of a 100 I think I am entitled to fly and go all holidays. Other people would disagree and think we should stay in Ireland.

Bitches Be Trypsin · 03-09-2017 02:55PM

Tell me how wrote: »

"Reasonably" defend yourself. Don't know if kicking a child would be viewed as reasonable.

Under normal circumstances no. However if I can't walk for a week, I'm at income loss on top of severe pain. That's a risk I'm not willing to take, so I will (and do) self defend regardless of age. Obviously, I'd tell them to stop a few times first, tell the parent etc. But ultimately I'm not willing to make my chronic pain any worse over a bratty child.

Allinall wrote: »

That's a contender for funniest post of the year.

I'm glad my illness is funny to you. It's certainly not funny to me.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 03-09-2017 02:56PM

Bitches Be Trypsin wrote: »

Not in an act of self defence. It's the law. Regardless of the age of the attacker, you have the right to defend yourself.

You'd have a job proving a need for defence I'd say.

You could move, ask to be moved or speak to the parent/ flight attendants first?

Bitches Be Trypsin · 03-09-2017 02:57PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

You'd have a job proving a need for defence I'd say.

You could move, ask to be moved or speak to the parent/ flight attendants first?

I would absolutely, this would be a last resort of course!

Tell me how · 03-09-2017 02:58PM

caniask86 wrote:

I agree with you and as I've stated many times that I do everything possible to avoid meltdowns and make my son comfortable so that everyone can have a stress free flight. I'll I'm staying is that sometimes I might not be possible despite all the effort we put in and if my son kicks off one time out of a 100 I think I am entitled to fly and go all holidays. Other people would disagree and think we should stay in Ireland.

If the likelihood of your son kicking off is a 1 in 100 chance of happening then absolutely you're entitled to fly without undue planning or apologizing.
But, if the likelihood of the child kicking off for an extended period is 99 in 100 then it's not unreasonable to suggest that flying should be avoided.

super_furry · 03-09-2017 03:00PM

There's a reason God invented noise-cancelling headphones. If you're going on a long haul flight, invest in a pair you won't care how many kids are bawling.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 03-09-2017 03:01PM

Tell me how wrote: »

If the likelihood of your son kicking off is a 1 in 100 chance of happening then absolutely you're entitled to fly without undue planning or apologizing.
But, if the likelihood of the child kicking off for an extended period is 99 in 100 then it's not unreasonable to suggest that flying should be avoided.

Flying the only option to get some places tho. I've family abroad and there is no boat to get there.

Tell me how · 03-09-2017 03:02PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote:

Flying the only option to get some places tho. I've family abroad and there is no boat to get there.

Then it is unavoidable.

Larbre34 · 03-09-2017 03:04PM

On a flight back from Dubai i was in an exit seat across the aisle from what i gather were a couple of Kinahan/Hutch accolytes on the way back from a meeting, with their families.

After the fat kids were filled sufficiently with sugar based stimulants they began to get a bit feral and so they were putting wrestling and wailing on the open section of floor in front of me and beside the exit door. For 5 hours.

And do you know what I did about it? Not the slightest thing.

Oops69 · 03-09-2017 03:12PM

Sedatives for all kids Under 12 , theyre all headmelters on flights , especilly the spoilt ones so ubiquitous nowadays .

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 03:35PM

Oops69 wrote: »

Sedatives for all kids Under 12 , theyre all headmelters on flights , especilly the spoilt ones so ubiquitous nowadays .

Where do you think all these under 12s will get sedatives? GPs are reluctant to hand them over to adults never mind children.

Bitches Be Trypsin · 03-09-2017 03:41PM

caniask86 wrote: »

Where do you think all these under 12s will get sedatives? GPs are reluctant to hand them over to adults never mind children.

Lots of people are sedated when flying. Both my parents are.

JayRoc · 03-09-2017 03:42PM

Two things that drive me mad on public transport, especially long-distance public transport such as flights;

One. The judgemental arseholes who sit there passive-aggressively tutting while some poor parent of a baby or very small child is clearly mortified and stressed to their eyeballs by the baby crying their eyes out.

Babies cry. Not their fault, nor the parents.
Sometimes, if I'm sat beside an obviously stressed mother of a crying babby I find that they can be almost pathetically grateful for the slightest bit of support, ie my distracting the child or even just a smile to the mother to show that not everyone is pissed off.

Two. The kind of inconsiderate twat who is happy to let their children (who are old enough to know how to behave) act like spoiled brats, running riot and being a constant disturbance to other passengers. If you take children into a public place it's your responsibility to make them behave.

The common theme here is that it's always adults who are actually the problem.

Kids act like spoiled brats because they are let. It's not their fault. It's their parent's.
Babies cry because they are babies. It's not their fault. It's not anybody's.

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