Kids on Flights

02-09-2017 11:36PM

caniask86 wrote: »

I must look into them. Exactly i know myself that i am prepared for each flight with everything i possible can bring, i do to help my son and keep him comfortable so he is happy and content on a flight. it's not always possible and those earphones would come in handy for other people. it would be a great idea actually if the airline rented them.

They're standard in business class. I wonder if they'd be a money spinner for the airlines if they rented them for a few euro per flight though, that might be something they could think about if there was enough demand.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 02-09-2017 11:37PM

anewme wrote: »

I don't tut at all, if you read my posts throughout this thread, I think it's unhelpful.

But don't let that stop your rant.

I tut, I can't help it. My mother must have indulged me as a child

John_Rambo · 02-09-2017 11:38PM

caniask86 wrote: »

Sometimes it's hard see the progress but thanks for the reminder. it's easy to look at the negativity and miss the positive side of things.

I'm with you.. Look, since I've had kids I've rarely dined out without then and I've rarely traveled without them. Although they're in the minority unfortunately the luddites make a bigger impression than the well traveled, more educated people appreciate the kids that will grow up used to travel and dining.

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 11:40PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I'm with you.. Look, since I've had kids I've rarely dined out without then and I've rarely traveled without them. Although they're in the minority unfortunately the luddites make a bigger impression than the well traveled, more educated people appreciate the kids that will grow up used to travel and dining.

We also frequently dine out and fly regularly as my husband isn't from Ireland. it's a lovely experience to bond as a family and we want our son to know his family who are abroad.

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 11:42PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I tut, I can't help it. My mother must have indulged me as a child

I think it's up to each person to take responsibility of how they behave as adults

John_Rambo · 02-09-2017 11:43PM

caniask86 wrote: »

We also frequently dine out and fly regularly as my husband isn't from Ireland. it's a lovely experience to bond as a family and we want our son to know his family who are abroad.

Same here, don't forget for every fool, there's at least 100 people that understand, appreciate, acknowledge and like kids involved in travel and food. They just don't resonate as much as the tutters!!!

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 11:44PM

anewme wrote: »

I don't tut at all, if you read my posts throughout this thread, I think it's unhelpful.

But don't let that stop your rant.

I was also referring to other posters on this thread. i'm am sorry if i miss quoted you. i also don't go out of my way to stress people on flights.

anewme · 02-09-2017 11:44PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I'm with you.. Look, since I've had kids I've rarely dined out without then and I've rarely traveled without them. Although they're in the minority unfortunately the luddites make a bigger impression than the well traveled, more educated people appreciate the kids that will grow up used to travel and dining.

You must be living in the past...EVERYONE, educated or not, can travel. Call it the Ryanair effect.

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 11:44PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Same here, don't forget for every fool, there's at least 100 people that understand, appreciate, acknowledge and like kids involved in travel and food. They just don't resonate as much as the tutters!!!

That is very true and we have had some nice experience too. Deep breath and carry on with life

John_Rambo · 02-09-2017 11:48PM

anewme wrote: »

You must be living in the past...EVERYONE, educated or not, can travel. Call it the Ryanair effect.

Yes. I'm aware of that, and it's fantastic, but you missed my point altogether. I avail of Ryanair flights all the time! But, it's a Ryanair flight, there's going to be kids, they might talk out loud, cry or shout. That's ok. Some people think on this thread think that's unacceptable. It's not.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 02-09-2017 11:51PM

It's only the uneducated oafs with no money that expect kids to learn manners

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 11:56PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

It's only the uneducated oafs with no money that expect kids to learn manners

No but maybe people who think they're experts on how children should or shouldn't behave.

anewme · 03-09-2017 12:00AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Yes. I'm aware of that, and it's fantastic, but you missed my point altogether. I avail of Ryanair flights all the time! But, it's a Ryanair flight, there's going to be kids, they might talk out loud, cry or shout. That's ok. Some people think on this thread think that's unacceptable. It's not.

screaming , screeching, head banging, pulling hair for an hour and forty five minutes at high decibels might upset people.

That does make them low class or uneducated.

It does not make them bad people.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 03-09-2017 12:03AM

I think it's fairly reasonable to assume you aren't expected to be subjected to someone else's child scream hysterically for close on two hours in a confined space. I can't imagine expecting reasonable behaviour is an outlandish demand, unless the parents are the type to think their child is the only one on the flight and thecrest of the passengers should smile and look encouraging as tantrum is in full swing, smiling for all 105 mins of screaming and seat kicking

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 12:04AM

anewme wrote: »

screaming , screeching, head banging, pulling hair for an hour and forty five minutes at high decibels might upset people.

That does make them low class or uneducated.

It does not make them bad people.

It's ok to be upset,that was never in debate. Most people who seen this behavior would conclude that something else is going on with the child. It's ok to be upset by the noise but it's not ok to make the situation worse by going on like a child yourself.

That one hour and forty minutes is what parents might be going through every day for hours. It does not mean the parent is not trying to calm the child just because the screaming does not stop.

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 12:07AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I think it's fairly reasonable to assume you aren't expected to be subjected to someone else's child scream hysterically for close on two hours in a confined space. I can't imagine expecting reasonable behaviour is an outlandish demand, unless the parents are the type to think their child is the only one on the flight and thecrest of the passengers should smile and look encouraging as tantrum is in full swing, smiling for all 105 mins of screaming and seat kicking

The parent was trying to calm the child. The child had Autism and couldn't calm down. How in the world does tutting and rolling your eyes help the situation. The point being grow up and deal with it and if you can't deal with then put on earphones. Are you more annoyed that the child is throwing a tantrum and you don't agree with the parents parenting style or because a precious snowflake can't understand that some situations can't be avoided.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 03-09-2017 12:10AM

caniask86 wrote: »

The parent was trying to calm the child. The child had Autism and couldn't calm down. How in the world does tutting and rolling your eyes help the situation. The point being grow up and deal with it and if you can't deal with then put on earphones. Are you more annoyed that the child is throwing a tantrum and you don't agree with the parents parenting style or because a precious snowflake can't understand that some situations can't be avoided.

Other people's children are not my problem

anewme · 03-09-2017 12:10AM

caniask86 wrote: »

It's ok to be upset,that was never in debate. Most people who seen this behavior would conclude that something else is going on with the child. It's ok to be upset by the noise but it's not ok to make the situation worse by going on like a child yourself.

That one hour and forty minutes is what parents might be going through every day for hours. It does not mean the parent is not trying to calm the child just because the screaming does not stop.

Agreed I think I would know when it is something more than just a bold child and leave it at that.

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 12:11AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Other people's children are not my problem

Exactly, they are not. What exactly do you feel should of happened with this situation on the plane?

John_Rambo · 03-09-2017 12:11AM

anewme wrote: »

screaming , screeching, head banging, pulling hair for an hour and forty five minutes at high decibels might upset people.

That does make them low class or uneducated.

It does not make them bad people.

No, of course not, a bad choice of words on my behalf. I didn't mean uneducated in a classical or scholarly sense.

I'd say if someone feels selfishly put out by a child's negative reaction to an unusual situation and feels that they're feeling more pain than the child and the parents of the child I'm with you 100%. They are neither uneducated, lower class (don't know where you got that one from) nor bad people.

They are obviously morons. It's a very short hour and forty five minutes of their lives.

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 12:15AM

anewme wrote: »

Agreed I think I would know when it is something more than just a bold child and leave it at that.

Not everyone is like you though unfortunately.

anewme · 03-09-2017 12:15AM

caniask86 wrote: »

Exactly, they are not. What exactly do you feel should of happened with this situation on the plane?

If the mother wanted to thank aer lingus for their help, why did she not send a card and a box of chocs, or a private message to aer lingus.

Instead, while admitting her child screamed for an hour and 45 mins, she called other people ignorant for not wanting to put up with it on Facebook.

This approach was creating additional drama.

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 12:17AM

anewme wrote: »

If the mother wanted to thank aer lingus for their help, why did she not send a card and a box of chocs, or a private message to aer lingus.

Instead, while admitting her child screamed for an hour and 45 mins, she called other people ignorant for not wanting to put up with it on Facebook.

This approach was creating additional drama.

I took it as she was trying to create awareness for Autism and showing how kind words and reactions can make all the difference. Matter of perspective maybe.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 03-09-2017 12:18AM

caniask86 wrote: »

Exactly, they are not. What exactly do you feel should of happened with this situation on the plane?

The parent had no right to try shame other people for not being enthralled with her child. Their reactions to her child's disruptive behaviour is their own personal reactions. She has no right to demand people show tolerance and not ask to be moved away because her child kicked off. I understand the child can't help it, that's fair enough but she put the child (for whatever reason, it doesn't matter) in a situation that was uncomfortable for everyone. At worst it was annoying, nobody died, nobody was injured, everyone will get over it, but to call for people NOT to show a reaction to a disturbance shows how intolerant of other people she is so it's very ironic she's pleading for tolerance

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 12:20AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

The parent had no right to try shame other people for not being enthralled with her child. Their reactions to her child's disruptive behaviour is their own personal reactions. haShe s no right to demand people show tolerance and not ask to be moved away because her child kicked off. I understand the child can't help it, that's fair enough but she put the child (for whatever reason, it doesn't matter) in a situation that was uncomfortable for everyone. At worst it was annoying, nobody died, nobody was injured, everyone will get over it, but to call for people NOT to show a reaction to a disturbance shows how intolerant of other people she is so it's very ironic she's pleading for tolerance

I'm not sure what to say to be honest. I don't think she was demanded tolerance but rather upset people didn't show it. She had told the airline that her child had special needs so I am sure when people complained they were made aware of the situation. Most people this would be enough for them to understand it's unavoidable and the mother was trying.

She brought the child on a holiday Lexie, she didn't leave the child behind because it might make 'people uncomfortable' imagine if we kept people inside or away from combined spaces because they make people uncomfortable.

Honestly you need to have a word with yourself with your attitude.

anewme · 03-09-2017 12:20AM

caniask86 wrote: »

I took it as she was trying to create awareness for Autism and showing how kind words and reactions can make all the difference. Matter of perspective maybe.

Maybe.

I took it as passive aggression.

I don't agree with her approach.

Sh failed to take anyone feelings or reasons for travelling into account. It was all about her and her family, fck the rest of the passengers, who might have God Knows what going in in their lives.

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 12:22AM

anewme wrote: »

Maybe.

I took it as passive aggression.

I don't agree with her approach.

Sh failed to take anyone feelings or reasons for travelling into account. It was all about her and her family, fck the test of the passengers, who might have God Knows what going in in their lives.

It's like you think it was premeditated. There is no predictor that says a child will throw a tantrum or behave. We cannot stay indoors with fear in case it happens and affect other people.

anewme · 03-09-2017 12:27AM

caniask86 wrote: »

It's like you think it was premeditated. There is no predictor that says a child will throw a tantrum or behave. We cannot stay indoors with fear in case it happens and affect other people.

No I didn't think it was premeditated, but I think she should have concentrated on her holiday and family instead of writing that post after the event. There was nothing to be gained, only drama. She failed to see anything from any perspective only her own.

Agree about trying sto shame other people, there was no need at that point.

deandean · 03-09-2017 12:27AM

Hopefully the parents of the kid will have learnt from this flight. There is a straightforward remedy for this which will help the child, the parents and all the passengers on the plane. Mum goes to her friendly GP and gets a couple of little tablets, one for the outward journey and one for the return. The kid will relax / sleep. Happy days all round.

caniask86 · 03-09-2017 12:32AM

deandean wrote: »

Hopefully the parents of the kid will have learnt from this flight. There is a straightforward remedy for this which will help the child, the parents and all the passengers on the plane. Mum goes to her friendly GP and gets a couple of little tablets, one for the outward journey and one for the return. The kid will relax / sleep. Happy days all round.

No this is not a simple solution for many reason in fact if you did a little bit of research some children with autism can have the opposite reaction with sedative as we have experienced with our own child during a procedure, also GPs don't hand out sedatives for children. Most sedatives aren't safe for adults let along children under 12.

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