Kids on Flights

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 09:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You serious?

I think the opposite. I grew up in a society where bad behaviour by children was met by a whack across the head by parents, teachers...and in certain cases the belt, or even a lot worse. I should say in fairness to my own parents they never laid a hand, I remember getting slaps at school and going home back in the 80s and my Dad bristling with anger that anyone would slap his child. I think we have become far more accepting and understanding that children behave badly for many reasons that are not their fault.

I am very serious. This has been my experience in the last five years. it has been a real eye opener having a child with special needs as well.

John_Rambo · 02-09-2017 09:24PM

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

No. Some people are annoyed just by a child being in their presence. They don't even have to be distressed or annoying, just breathing!

I had some GAA jersey wearing, tutting stranger in Dublin Airport tell me my kid shouldn't be allowed on the plane until he could afford the ticket himself. My little boy was sitting on his trunkie watching the planes take off. Not a peep out of him.

He was that person on the flight that stood up when the seatbelt sign was on, had to be specifically told to turn off his device on take off and landing, blocked the food cart, drank too much before the flight, pulled the blind down when he shouldn't have, had to be told to fasten his seatbelt, pulled his table down when he shouldn't have...

You know the type. I have a feeling there's a few on this thread.

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 09:26PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I had some GAA jersey wearing, tutting stranger in Dublin Airport tell me my kid shouldn't be allowed on the plane until he could afford the ticket himself. My little boy was sitting on his trunkie watching the planes take off. Not a peep out of him.

He was that person on the flight that stood up when the seatbelt sign was on, had to be specifically told to turn off his device on take off and landing, blocked the food cart, drank too much before the flight, pulled the blind down when he shouldn't have, had to be told to fasten his seatbelt, pulled his table down when he shouldn't have...

You know the type. I have a feeling there's a few on this thread.

Meet those types all the time! Maybe we should complain more about adults behaviors

02-09-2017 09:27PM

caniask86 wrote: »

I am very serious. This has been my experience in the last five years. it has been a real eye opener having a child with special needs as well.

We evidently grew up in different times...I'm measuring it over a longer period. Take it from me, treatment of kids was a whole lot worse in the 70s and 80s, I can't pretend to have noticed a change between 2012 and 2017...

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 02-09-2017 09:28PM

caniask86 wrote: »

This was one of the posts I was referring too.

Yeah, I'm not seeing your issue to be honest.

anewme · 02-09-2017 09:28PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not seeing your issue to be honest.

Don't see anything negative in it either.

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 09:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We evidently grew up in different times...I'm measuring it over a longer period. Take it from me, treatment of kids was a whole lot worse in the 70s and 80s, I can't pretend to have noticed a change between 2012 and 2017...

In your experience maybe. I was born in the 80s, remember playing on the streets with friends, being loud and noisy. Never did anyone complain, now I when I hear children playing happily outside someone always shouts at them to shut up or move along.

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 09:30PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not seeing your issue to be honest.

Sorry Lexie but overall your posts and tones is pretty much what I have an issue with on this thread and other people too. We obviously see things very differently.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 02-09-2017 09:32PM

caniask86 wrote: »

Sorry Lexie but overall your posts and tones is pretty much what I have an issue with on this thread and other people too. We obviously see things very differently.

We certainly do. If you feel my "tone" isn't inline with the thread, there's a report post function. Knock yourself out with it

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 09:34PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

We certainly do. If you feel my "tone" isn't inline with the thread, there's a report post function. Knock yourself out with it

Can you report people that you think aren't nice people in real life? I didn't know that was possible.

anewme · 02-09-2017 09:49PM

caniask86 wrote: »

Can you report people that you think aren't nice people in real life? I didn't know that was possible.

Sorry but that's unfair and totally judgemental.

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 09:54PM

anewme wrote: »

Sorry but that's unfair and totally judgemental.

That's exactly my point.

iamwhoiam · 02-09-2017 10:00PM

caniask86 wrote: »

In your experience maybe. I was born in the 80s, remember playing on the streets with friends, being loud and noisy. Never did anyone complain, now I when I hear children playing happily outside someone always shouts at them to shut up or move along.

My kids happily played out in the 80's too .loud and noisy and happy
Today on the same street I watched kids out playing , loud and noisy and happy . No one batted and eye or asked them to shut up or to move on .

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 10:01PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

My kids happily played out in the 80's too .loud and noisy and happy
Today on the same street I watched kids out playing , loud and noisy and happy . No one batted and eye or asked them to shut up or to move on .

That's great to hear, it's the way it should be.

dr.fuzzenstein · 02-09-2017 10:16PM

caniask86 wrote: »

I am very serious. This has been my experience in the last five years. it has been a real eye opener having a child with special needs as well.

Don't worry too much, people like to spout off a bit and huff and puff. Let them piss and moan, smile and nod politely and when you're bored, turn around and ignore them. They'll eventually hop off again muttering under their breath.
What counts is you and your child. Most people are friendly and alright and the rest are tossers and safely ignored.
They might spout sh*te on the internet, but in the end they are an unimportant nuisance and safely ignored. Children won't be banned, they'll piss and moan a bit, but in the end they don't matter.

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 10:34PM

I am going on a flight in December with my Autistic son, might be noisy he might not. I advise poster who don't like to avoid the plane.

anewme · 02-09-2017 11:00PM

caniask86 wrote: »

I am going on a flight in December with my Autistic son, might be noisy he might not. I advise poster who don't like to avoid the plane.

Lots of other people will need to take flights in December. Some will be happy journeys, some will be sad.

Some don't even know about it yet.

It's not just about you.

We all have our challenges.

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 11:03PM

anewme wrote: »

Lots of other people will need to take flights in December. Some will be happy journeys, some will be sad.

Some don't even know about it yet.

It's not just about you.

We all have our challenges.

The difference is I have no problem with anybody else flying. You're are right, it's not all about me or one person. Each person pays for a a plane ticket. I don't discriminate or make a fuss about who I share a flight with. It's called PUBLIC transport for a reason.

anewme · 02-09-2017 11:11PM

caniask86 wrote: »

The difference is I have no problem with anybody else flying. You're are right, it's not all about me or one person. Each person pays for a a plane ticket. I don't discriminate or make a fuss about who I share a flight with. It's called PUBLIC transport for a reason.

Well I hope my flight does not have me seated next to a screaming child for an hour and forty five minutes. I've enough going on and I don't think I could cope with that at the minute.

That does not make me a bad person.

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 11:17PM

anewme wrote: »

Well I hope my flight does not have me seated next to a screaming child for an hour and forty five minutes. I've enough going on and I don't think I could cope with that at the minute.

That does not make me a bad person.

If you are not prepared for unpredictable circumstance which flying is unpredictable and you have no control over noise on a flight then maybe you shouldn't fly.

There are also medication you can take prescribed by your doctor.

anewme · 02-09-2017 11:24PM

caniask86 wrote: »

If you are not prepared for unpredictable circumstance which flying is unpredictable and you have no control over noise on a flight then maybe you shouldn't fly.

Well maybe circumstances like a death in the family might make that decision for me.

You don't care about anyone else's circumstances only your own.

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 11:26PM

anewme wrote: »

Well maybe circumstances like a death in the family might make that decision for me.

You don't care about anyone else's circumstances only your own.

Actually it's you who doesn't care for anyone else situation except if they are quiet and that's ok then.

I know when i flew i can't choose who i fly with and i try to be as positive as possible and get through the flight. i don't roll my eyes and tut tut because how does that help!

02-09-2017 11:26PM

anewme wrote: »

Well maybe circumstances like a death in the family might make that decision for me.

You don't care about anyone else's circumstances only your own.

I genuinely recommend noise cancelling headphones. Seriously, if you're sensitive about noise and find it hard to cope with, it's not just kids that would disturb you. They're well worth the money if you have trouble flying. You don't have to listen to anything, you can have silence.

John_Rambo · 02-09-2017 11:28PM

caniask86 wrote: »

It seems to me that patience for children is an all time low here. In my husbands home country Children are celebrated and welcomed and encouraged. In Ireland I don't really feel that happens. Mostly, people are impatient, irritated and have the opinion that children should sit still and be quiet. I experience this in supermarkets, cafes, trains buses. I do feel that an airplane and its limited spaces is being solely blamed on people angered. and stress from a child screaming but I've been in the city of Dublin with my son have a meltdown and getting similar reactions.

Regards to another poster who wrote about their cousin who was Autistic, I just couldn't help feel that their attitude about Autism was such a inconvenience for everybody and the 'poor child is better of in the car where they want'
Children without special needs want to eat ice cream all day long but the parent makes sure that doesn't happen. Its the same with special needs or not, we need to encourage and teach etc.

Anyway we were all children once, without children there would be no adults.
It scares me the attitudes on this thread to be honest. It scares me for my sons future and just proves that Ireland has a long long way to go.

It's actually got better here Canaisk. I know it's hard to believe.. but a lot of people in Ireland come from a pub culture where kids wouldn't be the norm. We're slowly moving to a cafe and restaurant culture, but in days gone by a restaurant for some people would be a very special event, a mature, grown up adult affair with money spent that could be "saved" from eating at home so people have an unrealistic expectancy of dining. Basically they think they should be treated like royalty and any perceived (I use perceived specifically) disturbance is met with disapproval and frowns.

It's the same with air travel. Some people do it once a year and pay a lot to do it and seem to think they're in some sort of 1950's avantegard jetset elite group and any minor (again) perceived annoyance is eating in to their moment of affluence and prestige.

You can see it down through this thread. Normal folk taking a flight or a dinner in a restaurant thinking their highfalutin, affluent people attending the height of culture and worldliness.

When really... they're on a Ryanair flight or in a family friendly Bistro. Not at the opera.

They're just not used to it. And it shows when they start tut-tuting at families with kids that are most likely more used to dining out and traveling abroad.

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 11:28PM

Candie wrote: »

I genuinely recommend noise cancelling headphones. Seriously, if you're sensitive about noise and find it hard to cope with, it's not just kids that would disturb you. They're well worth the money if you have trouble flying. You don't have to listen to anything, you can have silence.

I found a great pair on amazon very reasonable too for my son, they're called ear defenders but they also come in adult sizes. I wear then sometimes too

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 11:32PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

It's actually got better here Canaisk. I know it's hard to believe.. but a lot of people in Ireland come from a pub culture where kids wouldn't be the norm. We're slowly moving to a cafe and restaurant culture, but in days gone by a restaurant for some people would be a very special event, a mature, grown up adult affair with money spent that could be "saved" from eating at home so people have an unrealistic expectancy of dining. Basically they think they should be treated like royalty and any perceived (I use perceived specifically) disturbance is met with disapproval and frowns.

It's the same with air travel. Some people do it once a year and pay a lot to do it and seem to think they're in some sort of 1950's avantegard jetset elite group and any minor (again) perceived annoyance is eating in to their moment of affluence and prestige.

You can see it down through this thread. Normal folk taking a flight or a dinner in a restaurant thinking their highfalutin, affluent people attending the height of culture and worldliness.

When really... they're on a Ryanair flight or in a family friendly Bistro. Not at the opera.

They're just not used to it. And it shows when they start tut-tuting at families with kids that are most likely more used to dining out and traveling abroad.

Sometimes it's hard see the progress but thanks for the reminder. it's easy to look at the negativity and miss the positive side of things.

anewme · 02-09-2017 11:32PM

Candie wrote: »

I genuinely recommend noise cancelling headphones. Seriously, if you're sensitive about noise and find it hard to cope with, it's not just kids that would disturb you. They're well worth the money if you have trouble flying. You don't have to listen to anything, you can have silence.

I don't think it would normally bother me, as I travel ok but we all have journeys that we don't want to face and there is nothing wring with wanting those particular journeys to go as smoothly as possible.

02-09-2017 11:32PM

caniask86 wrote: »

I found a great pair on amazon very reasonable too for my son, they're called ear defenders but they also come in adult sizes. I wear then sometimes too

I have fancy Bose ones now but I used to take an aviation headset with me before I got them, just in case there was noise when I wanted to sleep. There are things you can do, people can be proactive in assuring their own comfort. If you're genuinely distressed by noise and don't want to take chances, then it's worth forking out for the noise canceling headsets.

anewme · 02-09-2017 11:34PM

caniask86 wrote: »

Actually it's you who doesn't care for anyone else situation except if they are quiet and that's ok then.

I know when i flew i can't choose who i fly with and i try to be as positive as possible and get through the flight. i don't roll my eyes and tut tut because how does that help!

I don't tut at all, if you read my posts throughout this thread, I think it's unhelpful.

But don't let that stop your rant.

caniask86 · 02-09-2017 11:35PM

Candie wrote: »

I have fancy Bose ones now but I used to take aviation headphones with me before I got them, just in case there was noise when I wanted to sleep. There are things you can do, people can be proactive in assuring their own comfort. If you're genuinely distressed by noise and don't want to take chances, then it's worth forking out for the noise canceling headsets.

I must look into them. Exactly i know myself that i am prepared for each flight with everything i possible can bring, i do to help my son and keep him comfortable so he is happy and content on a flight. it's not always possible and those earphones would come in handy for other people. it would be a great idea actually if the airline rented them.

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