Croke park tickets, entering and leaving

obi604 wrote: »

Hi,

here is the scenario, my friend has 2 tickets for the hurling final on Sunday. 1 for him and 1 for me.
He is going in early to get the minor match at 1:15pm

Due to work, I wont make it to croker until about 2:45pm


Is it possible for my friend to enter the stadium, then leave to give me my ticket and then for him to re enter again?

Either get the ticket for him today or tomorrow, or have him give it to someone you can get it off. There's no way of being sure any plan involving meeting near the stiles or handing it in at a hotel will work, and every reason to think it could go wrong.

Aren't All Ireland's great. Lads who haven't been within an asses roar of Croker in years with tickets who can't even be bothered collecting their tickets from their friend before hand

obi604 wrote: »

Hi,

here is the scenario, my friend has 2 tickets for the hurling final on Sunday. 1 for him and 1 for me.
He is going in early to get the minor match at 1:15pm

Due to work, I wont make it to croker until about 2:45pm


Is it possible for my friend to enter the stadium, then leave to give me my ticket and then for him to re enter again?

No

obi604 wrote: »

what makes you think I haven't been to croke park in years, where did I say this. it just happens to be my first time time in this particular situation, so was unsure about the ticket scenario.

It's common knowledge you can't re-enter sports stadium's. Sorry if I've misjudged you. Just how it appeared to me.

kala85 wrote: »

Big time.

Lads who did nothing all year and in no way deserve a ticket bullying their way into one.

Pisses me off big time.

Lads who wouldn't go to this game only it's a, final.

A whole load of tickets going out to sponsors and probably free ones as well.

Centra getting loads of seats and a good few appearing on done deal.you will see them with centra all ireland on the bottom of the ticket.

Sorry op and to the poster who was trying to re enter the stadium.

I was making a general point on people who add not entitled to tickets getting one.

Did the ticket for the cusack scan on the hill

kala85 wrote: »

Did the ticket for the cusack scan on the hill

No it didn't. But I just told the turnstile lad that 'John the head steward said you'd let me in cause the hill is not seated so tickets don't matter'. The steward then said he'd have to ask someone else and I said 'sound but try and ask for John the head steward'. At that stage the turnstile lad just pressed the button and let me through!

Literally passed 5 sets of stewards before that with the cusack ticket and I either blocked the word Cusack on the ticket with my thumb or if anyone questioned me just repeated the 'John the steward' line as I walked away from them.


The last steward before the turnstile pointed me into a slip road which takes you away from the hill so I walked up the slip road slightly then just done a u-turn when he wasn't watching.

Literally felt like Indiana Jones after the whole thing!

Had a great view and got to be with a group of 10 of my mates and my Dad. I would take that any day instead of sitting by myself in the Cusack...

How about the bag searches on the way in? Are they legal?

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Why? Because they don't wear hats or because you've no contract with them?

He's right though, tell them you live down the road there and you're going home. Or visiting someone. Who's to say you're not?

Fattes wrote: »

There is zero requirement to present your ticket at the ticket checks on the road. The roads are not closed to the public, the stewards have no legal right to request your ticket anywhere other than the entrance to the stadium

I'm just giving info to the thread, advising the OP that the Croke Park hotel is not the best place because of the ticket checks.

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

In fairness that's a bit much. Quite frankly you'd want your head examined to be doing that. It's closer to a 6hr return journey

OP I'd suggest your matter put the ticket in a small bag and used one of the left luggage facilities in the city. Get him to explain to the staff that another person will be collecting and get him to send you a picture of the left luggage ticket

Well then you should stop posting in a GAA thread because we're all mad.:D
I'm actually doing a 6 hour round trip to get tickets for myself, a friend and (unfortunately) my father in law

17togo wrote: »

All residents living in the cordoned off areas are issued with resident passes. So if someone is genuinely visiting a friend they would have to meet them at the cordon with a pass. If not it'll depend what mood the steward or garda are in if they believe your story.

And it is legal to be asked for a ticket on the roads entering Croke Park. On events such as this under section 21 of the public order act an area around the stadium can be cordoned off and entry regulated. So I would not recommend telling the they have no right to ask you for a ticket!

Section 21.2 "Where a barrier has been erected in accordance with subsection (1), a member of the Garda Síochána in uniform"

Section 21.3 "(3) A member of the Garda Síochána shall not prohibit a person from crossing or passing a barrier erected under this section save for the purpose of diverting the person to another means of access to the event, if it appears to the member that the person is seeking to do so for the purpose only of—

(a) going to his dwelling or place of business or work in the vicinity of the event, or

(B)going for any other lawful purpose to any place in the vicinity of the event other than the place where the event is taking place or is about to take place."

Simply put only a member of the Gardai can ask you to present your ticket the stewards have no right to do so. Secondly a Garda can not deny you access if you have a lawful purpose to be in the vacinity, that would include going to a public house, hotel or other business.

The Gardai never step in well once with me in 15 years and I never show my ticket the once a Garda stepped in was to tell a steward to take his hands off me after he grabbed me. Garda asked did I have a ticket I said yes he waved me through, didn't ask to see it.

Bag searches are volunteery technically, you could request a Garda does the search if you wanted to be really fussy. But to be honest in the current climate it is a pretty reasonable and sensible request

siobhan1983 wrote: »

Is it true that if you have cusack stand tickets you will be not left down the road to jurys before the game? Apparently this happened last weekend. We had no issue for semi final. Supposed to be meeting family there but I'm in the cusack

See above ultimately you can not be denied access to any public street of you have lawful business.

In fairness to the GAA/Gardai Joneses road has been a big problem when CP is full, to many people in a confined space personally if I didn't need to be down there I would avoid it on March day

siobhan1983 wrote: »

Is it true that if you have cusack stand tickets you will be not left down the road to jurys before the game? Apparently this happened last weekend. We had no issue for semi final. Supposed to be meeting family there but I'm in the cusack

Tell them your going to the elverys store or meeting somebody at the hotel and they will let you through.
Done it a few times myself no hassle when I often had to meet somebody at the hotel or at elverys to collect tickets.

Forget the Croke Park Hotel idea. It can take 30 mins to get in there on match day as they only let people in when one is going out. And they've heard every excuse under the sun.

If you want to drop the ticket somewhere I'd recommend Mayes Pub on the corner of Frederick St Nth and Dorset St. It's a traditional Roscommon pub and they'll be supporting Galway on the day. I've left tickets there before and the price of a pint for the barman. Print your name ane and phone number on it so they can check it's you.

17togo wrote: »

But you can, lawful business doesn't include going to a pub for a pint cos you like it there, or arranging to meet people at a specific location. Croke Park Hotel falls into this category. Telling a guard that you can't be stopped heading down the street would result in you being stopped heading down that street, unless you have a ticket of course, or explained the situation to them. You probably will be let through if you explain the scenario but I wouldn't try demanding it.
You can also be diverted to a specific entrance for the ticket you hold.

Google Section 21 of the public order act (I would copy and paste it here myself, but every time I leave this page I lose whatever I've already typed)

I posted it above already about 6 posts back including section 2 &3
Going to a pub to meet someone is lawful business! I never said you demand anything of the Gardai I did point out you have no legal obligation to engage with a steward attempting to block a public street. Simply explaining to a guard that you require access to point x for purpose y will be enough. Of the Garda deny you, they are in breach of the public order act themselves unless your request for access is not for lawful or meaningful purpose .

17togo wrote: »

I've a feeling we're going to have agree to disagree on this one. IMO going for a pint in a pub that's inside a cordon without a ticket doesn't constitute lawful business.
And I didn't mean you demanded anything I was just elaborating on your point when you said you can't be stopped if you have lawful business.

Act is below, lawful business includes any activity that would be protected via the constitution or legislation. It is legal to arrange to meet people at a public place of your choosing, ergo under 21.3 the phrase that is most important is a "Garda Síochana shall not prohibit"

The legislation specifically designates circumstances where the Garda can not impede you crossing a barrier erected under the relevant section of the act. You may wish to disagree. It the interpretation is well tested and the Gardai will rarely stop someone with a genuine reason around Croke park

Section 21.3 "(3) A member of the Garda Síochána shall not prohibit a person from crossing or passing a barrier erected under this section save for the purpose of diverting the person to another means of access to the event, if it appears to the member that the person is seeking to do so for the purpose only of—

(a) going to his dwelling or place of business or work in the vicinity of the event, or

(B)going for any other lawful purpose to any place in the vicinity of the event other than the place where the event is taking place or is about to take place."

Simply put only a member of the Gardai can ask you to present your ticket the stewards have no right to do so. Secondly a Garda can not deny you access if you have a lawful purpose to be in the vacinity, that would include going to a public house, hotel or other business.

The Gardai never step in well once with me in 15 years and I never show my ticket the once a Garda stepped in was to tell a steward to take his hands off me after he grabbed me. Garda asked did I have a ticket I said yes he waved me through, didn't ask to see it.

Bag searches are volunteery technically, you could request a Garda does the search if you wanted to be really fussy. But to be honest in the current climate it is a pretty reasonable and sensible request

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I don't see any function for the Gardai in bag searches. Someone buying a ticket to attend a venue is partaking in a commercial transaction subject to contract law. If the ticket seller sets a condition that excludes certain items being brought in or certain types of bags for example, then they would have the right to deny admission to anyone refusing to abide by those conditions. Someone doing that would not be breaking any law, so why would the Gardai have to be involved?

I fail to see the logic for your objection to stewards checking tickets when you are so relaxed about having your private property examined. But you are correct that legally they have no right to do so on the public highway.

Under Irish law only the Gardai can perform personal searches, unless the person consents to a civilian performing the search. There is a reason there is a Garda stationed beside every search station at concerts and now at CP. The searches performed by civilians would not be upheld under any law. Amazingly even the Gardai powers of search without consent are limited without reasonable suspicion that you have committed an offence.

I never bring a bag to Croke park, but in light of recent events in Europe and having witnessed the searches at CP they are not a big deal, also you are asked can they check your bag, and you can request a Garda search.

As for being stopped bye a steward, they have no right to stop or question you. It's a much bigger issue on a public street than a request for a cursory glance inside a bag at the entrance to a venue

dxhound2005 wrote: »

What about car drivers? Have they not got the same right to proceed to any destination they wish, just like a pedestrian? What is the legal basis for the barriers where the stewards are stationed being set up on the public highway hundreds of yards away from the venue?

The legal basis is section 21 Public order act. It is a number of subsections 2 & 3 in particular that allow right of access and subject the Gardai to restrictions on denial of access.

Yep cars drivers have the same rights. However if the Gardai can provide an alternative route they must take it so using roads for through access just isn't going to happen.

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Get your friend to meet you in athlone tonight, 2 hr round trip for you both. It will save you the price of a solicitor to explain all this legal stuff to the stewards tomorrow too

Stewards won't argue with you, if they refuse you, simoly ask to speak to the Garda standing behind them, they will let you through simple really

I've always been fine going down Jones road to meet family in the hotel the day of the final even though my ticket was always for the Cusack. I always just say I'm meeting family or collecting a ticket (the truth), I'm sure as long as you're polite about it that's no problem.