Croke park tickets, entering and leaving

obi604

Hi,

here is the scenario, my friend has 2 tickets for the hurling final on Sunday. 1 for him and 1 for me.
He is going in early to get the minor match at 1:15pm

Due to work, I wont make it to croker until about 2:45pm


Is it possible for my friend to enter the stadium, then leave to give me my ticket and then for him to re enter again?

Motivator

obi604 wrote: »

Hi,

here is the scenario, my friend has 2 tickets for the hurling final on Sunday. 1 for him and 1 for me.
He is going in early to get the minor match at 1:15pm

Due to work, I wont make it to croker until about 2:45pm


Is it possible for my friend to enter the stadium, then leave to give me my ticket and then for him to re enter again?

Just get him to leave the ticket behind reception in the Croke Park hotel.

ProudDUB

The hotel won't always agree to do that. They are a hotel, not Ticketmaster.

Your friend can not leave and get back in again. His ticket will only scan once. If he leaves, he won't be able to get back in again, as he won't have a scannable ticket.

Tell your friend to enter via a specific turnstile. Get him to text you the number of it. When you get there, head to the same turnstile and have him meet you on the opposite side of it and, he hands you out you out your ticket. They should allow you do that, if you explain what you are doing.

Make sure he brings his own ticket with him to show the stewards. If he doesn't, they may very well think the two of you are trying to pull a fast one and that you are trying to enter the stadium on his already scanned ticket. They get all kinds of chancers on All Ireland final day. The turnstiles will be pretty busy at that time, so expect to have to queue and for the stewards to be a bit frazzled, so be patient.

Realt Dearg Sec

obi604 wrote: »

Hi,

here is the scenario, my friend has 2 tickets for the hurling final on Sunday. 1 for him and 1 for me.
He is going in early to get the minor match at 1:15pm

Due to work, I wont make it to croker until about 2:45pm


Is it possible for my friend to enter the stadium, then leave to give me my ticket and then for him to re enter again?

Either get the ticket for him today or tomorrow, or have him give it to someone you can get it off. There's no way of being sure any plan involving meeting near the stiles or handing it in at a hotel will work, and every reason to think it could go wrong.

Fr Tod Umptious

Motivator wrote: »

Just get him to leave the ticket behind reception in the Croke Park hotel.

There are ticket checks entering Clonliffe Rd and Jones Rd so you can't actually get as far as the Croke Park Hotel without a ticket as it is.

As others have said, get it sorted before Sunday.

LeinsterDub

Aren't All Ireland's great. Lads who haven't been within an asses roar of Croker in years with tickets who can't even be bothered collecting their tickets from their friend before hand

kala85

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Aren't All Ireland's great. Lads who haven't been within an asses roar of Croker in years with tickets who can't even be bothered collecting their tickets from their friend before hand

Big time.

Lads who did nothing all year and in no way deserve a ticket bullying their way into one.

Pisses me off big time.

Lads who wouldn't go to this game only it's a, final.

A whole load of tickets going out to sponsors and probably free ones as well.

Centra getting loads of seats and a good few appearing on done deal.you will see them with centra all ireland on the bottom of the ticket.

km79

obi604 wrote: »

Hi,

here is the scenario, my friend has 2 tickets for the hurling final on Sunday. 1 for him and 1 for me.
He is going in early to get the minor match at 1:15pm

Due to work, I wont make it to croker until about 2:45pm


Is it possible for my friend to enter the stadium, then leave to give me my ticket and then for him to re enter again?

No

obi604

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Aren't All Ireland's great. Lads who haven't been within an asses roar of Croker in years with tickets who can't even be bothered collecting their tickets from their friend before hand

what makes you think I haven't been to croke park in years, where did I say this. it just happens to be my first time time in this particular situation, so was unsure about the ticket scenario.

sorry for having a job that I have to work in that does not me allow to take time off. im working saturday also. I am in Galway, my friend is in Dublin, what do yo expect me to do , drive up tonight and drive home again to be back for work tomorrow, then go up agian on Sunday.

I was there in 2001, 2005, 2012, (twice) 2015

been to 3 league games this year and 3 championship games. been supporting them over the years and spent a lot of money traveling to matches etc

so stop assuming things without knowing facts.

LeinsterDub

obi604 wrote: »

what makes you think I haven't been to croke park in years, where did I say this. it just happens to be my first time time in this particular situation, so was unsure about the ticket scenario.

It's common knowledge you can't re-enter sports stadium's. Sorry if I've misjudged you. Just how it appeared to me.

obi604

LeinsterDub wrote: »

It's common knowledge you can't re-enter sports stadium's. Sorry if I've misjudged you. Just how it appeared to me.

Grand. I've never had to re enter a stadium so was never in the situation before etc so was not entirely sure.

kala85

kala85 wrote: »

Big time.

Lads who did nothing all year and in no way deserve a ticket bullying their way into one.

Pisses me off big time.

Lads who wouldn't go to this game only it's a, final.

A whole load of tickets going out to sponsors and probably free ones as well.

Centra getting loads of seats and a good few appearing on done deal.you will see them with centra all ireland on the bottom of the ticket.

Sorry op and to the poster who was trying to re enter the stadium.

I was making a general point on people who add not entitled to tickets getting one.

tacofries

Tells the initial stewards blocking the road way your situation and they will let you pass all the way to the turnstiles of Croker. Then get your mate to hand your ticket out to you through the turnstile. Be confident as if you come across as weak then you wont get past the first set of stewards.

I managed to talk my way past 5 sets of stewards and a lad on the turnstile to get into Hill16 for the final last year even though my ticket was for the cusack. Its just all about the confidence!

kala85

Did the ticket for the cusack scan on the hill

independent11

There is a reception area to the right of the hogan stand premium entrance. You could ask if they will hold the ticket for your friend to collect. They often distribute tickets in cases where people are collecting on the day. You still have to go through security at the entrance roads but explain the situation and they should let tou through.

tacofries

kala85 wrote: »

Did the ticket for the cusack scan on the hill

No it didn't. But I just told the turnstile lad that 'John the head steward said you'd let me in cause the hill is not seated so tickets don't matter'. The steward then said he'd have to ask someone else and I said 'sound but try and ask for John the head steward'. At that stage the turnstile lad just pressed the button and let me through!

Literally passed 5 sets of stewards before that with the cusack ticket and I either blocked the word Cusack on the ticket with my thumb or if anyone questioned me just repeated the 'John the steward' line as I walked away from them.


The last steward before the turnstile pointed me into a slip road which takes you away from the hill so I walked up the slip road slightly then just done a u-turn when he wasn't watching.

Literally felt like Indiana Jones after the whole thing!

Realt Dearg Sec

tacofries wrote: »

kala85 wrote: »

Did the ticket for the cusack scan on the hill

No it didn't. But I just told the turnstile lad that 'John the head steward said you'd let me in cause the hill is not seated so tickets don't matter'. The steward then said he'd have to ask someone else and I said 'sound but try and ask for John the head steward'. At that stage the turnstile lad just pressed the button and let me through!

Literally passed 5 sets of stewards before that with the cusack ticket and I either blocked the word Cusack on the ticket with my thumb or if anyone questioned me just repeated the 'John the steward' line as I walked away from them.


The last steward before the turnstile pointed me into a slip road which takes you away from the hill so I walked up the slip road slightly then just done a u-turn when he wasn't watching.

Literally felt like Indiana Jones after the whole thing!

Yeah but all that to end up standing with a **** view that costs half the price of the ticket you had.

tacofries

Had a great view and got to be with a group of 10 of my mates and my Dad. I would take that any day instead of sitting by myself in the Cusack...

Fattes

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

There are ticket checks entering Clonliffe Rd and Jones Rd so you can't actually get as far as the Croke Park Hotel without a ticket as it is.

As others have said, get it sorted before Sunday.

There is zero requirement to present your ticket at the ticket checks on the road. The roads are not closed to the public, the stewards have no legal right to request your ticket anywhere other than the entrance to the stadium

dxhound2005

How about the bag searches on the way in? Are they legal?

GhostyMcGhost

Fattes wrote: »

There is zero requirement to present your ticket at the ticket checks on the road. The roads are not closed to the public, the stewards have no legal right to request your ticket anywhere other than the entrance to the stadium

Why? Because they don't wear hats or because you've no contract with them?

DuffleBag

obi604 wrote: »

what makes you think I haven't been to croke park in years, where did I say this. it just happens to be my first time time in this particular situation, so was unsure about the ticket scenario.

sorry for having a job that I have to work in that does not me allow to take time off. im working saturday also. I am in Galway, my friend is in Dublin, what do yo expect me to do , drive up tonight and drive home again to be back for work tomorrow, then go up agian on Sunday.

I was there in 2001, 2005, 2012, (twice) 2015

been to 3 league games this year and 3 championship games. been supporting them over the years and spent a lot of money traveling to matches etc

so stop assuming things without knowing facts.

To be honest with you, if my county was in the final, and for galways example it was the first time they're favourites in a long time, i would have no qualms about doing what i've highlighted in bold above. You can work and have your early nights in bed for the rest of the winter

Drumpot

For an all Ireland final ticket I would personally do anything to get the ticket myself to leave zero room for issues....

Why would I want to have to worry about being able to convince stewards to let me pass certain barriers or even just allow me to grab a ticket from a friend in the ground ? You just need one thick bollox (with a thick Garda) and your day is ruined. .

Suppose its just me, but I wouldn't leave my entrance to chance like the OP seems to be doing.

fullstop

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Why? Because they don't wear hats or because you've no contract with them?

He's right though, tell them you live down the road there and you're going home. Or visiting someone. Who's to say you're not?

GhostyMcGhost

fullstop wrote: »

He's right though, tell them you live down the road there and you're going home. Or visiting someone. Who's to say you're not?

I'm sure it probably is correct but going around arguing with stewards that they've no right to stop you or see a ticket blah blah is a sure fire way for them to tell you to take a hike, or worse yet, get the guards to move you on

Can you honesty say "just visiting a friend" on all ireland day that they're going to be grand with that?

Fr Tod Umptious

Fattes wrote: »

There is zero requirement to present your ticket at the ticket checks on the road. The roads are not closed to the public, the stewards have no legal right to request your ticket anywhere other than the entrance to the stadium

I'm just giving info to the thread, advising the OP that the Croke Park hotel is not the best place because of the ticket checks.

Fr Tod Umptious

obi604 wrote: »

what makes you think I haven't been to croke park in years, where did I say this. it just happens to be my first time time in this particular situation, so was unsure about the ticket scenario.

sorry for having a job that I have to work in that does not me allow to take time off. im working saturday also. I am in Galway, my friend is in Dublin, what do yo expect me to do , drive up tonight and drive home again to be back for work tomorrow, then go up agian on Sunday.

I was there in 2001, 2005, 2012, (twice) 2015

been to 3 league games this year and 3 championship games. been supporting them over the years and spent a lot of money traveling to matches etc

so stop assuming things without knowing facts.

Yea, exactly that.

That's the kind of lengths people go to to get tickets.

oppenheimer1

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Yea, exactly that.

That's the kind of lengths people go to to get tickets.

In fairness that's a bit much. Quite frankly you'd want your head examined to be doing that. It's closer to a 6hr return journey

OP I'd suggest your matter put the ticket in a small bag and used one of the left luggage facilities in the city. Get him to explain to the staff that another person will be collecting and get him to send you a picture of the left luggage ticket

17togo

All residents living in the cordoned off areas are issued with resident passes. So if someone is genuinely visiting a friend they would have to meet them at the cordon with a pass. If not it'll depend what mood the steward or garda are in if they believe your story.

And it is legal to be asked for a ticket on the roads entering Croke Park. On events such as this under section 21 of the public order act an area around the stadium can be cordoned off and entry regulated. So I would not recommend telling the they have no right to ask you for a ticket!

BrianBoru00

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

In fairness that's a bit much. Quite frankly you'd want your head examined to be doing that. It's closer to a 6hr return journey

OP I'd suggest your matter put the ticket in a small bag and used one of the left luggage facilities in the city. Get him to explain to the staff that another person will be collecting and get him to send you a picture of the left luggage ticket

Well then you should stop posting in a GAA thread because we're all mad.:D
I'm actually doing a 6 hour round trip to get tickets for myself, a friend and (unfortunately) my father in law

harr

You won't get within an asses roar of the stadium without a ticket, the stewards might not have the power to stop you but the guard beside him can.
I had similar problem before cousin was joining me at the match and he was stuck in work for a couple more hours.. I put ticket in an envelope and sent it by taxi to him...he worked in Dublin mind but you could get the taxi to drop it to a meeting point or pub when you get to Dublin , just be sure he takes down the taxi details and sends them to you..

Fattes

17togo wrote: »

All residents living in the cordoned off areas are issued with resident passes. So if someone is genuinely visiting a friend they would have to meet them at the cordon with a pass. If not it'll depend what mood the steward or garda are in if they believe your story.

And it is legal to be asked for a ticket on the roads entering Croke Park. On events such as this under section 21 of the public order act an area around the stadium can be cordoned off and entry regulated. So I would not recommend telling the they have no right to ask you for a ticket!

Section 21.2 "Where a barrier has been erected in accordance with subsection (1), a member of the Garda Síochána in uniform"

Section 21.3 "(3) A member of the Garda Síochána shall not prohibit a person from crossing or passing a barrier erected under this section save for the purpose of diverting the person to another means of access to the event, if it appears to the member that the person is seeking to do so for the purpose only of—

(a) going to his dwelling or place of business or work in the vicinity of the event, or

(B)going for any other lawful purpose to any place in the vicinity of the event other than the place where the event is taking place or is about to take place."

Simply put only a member of the Gardai can ask you to present your ticket the stewards have no right to do so. Secondly a Garda can not deny you access if you have a lawful purpose to be in the vacinity, that would include going to a public house, hotel or other business.

The Gardai never step in well once with me in 15 years and I never show my ticket the once a Garda stepped in was to tell a steward to take his hands off me after he grabbed me. Garda asked did I have a ticket I said yes he waved me through, didn't ask to see it.

Bag searches are volunteery technically, you could request a Garda does the search if you wanted to be really fussy. But to be honest in the current climate it is a pretty reasonable and sensible request

siobhan1983

Is it true that if you have cusack stand tickets you will be not left down the road to jurys before the game? Apparently this happened last weekend. We had no issue for semi final. Supposed to be meeting family there but I'm in the cusack

Fattes

siobhan1983 wrote: »

Is it true that if you have cusack stand tickets you will be not left down the road to jurys before the game? Apparently this happened last weekend. We had no issue for semi final. Supposed to be meeting family there but I'm in the cusack

See above ultimately you can not be denied access to any public street of you have lawful business.

In fairness to the GAA/Gardai Joneses road has been a big problem when CP is full, to many people in a confined space personally if I didn't need to be down there I would avoid it on March day

Fr Tod Umptious

siobhan1983 wrote: »

Is it true that if you have cusack stand tickets you will be not left down the road to jurys before the game? Apparently this happened last weekend. We had no issue for semi final. Supposed to be meeting family there but I'm in the cusack

In theory yes they will tell you to take the "correct" route to the Cusack, but talk to them and they might let you through.

andrew1977

siobhan1983 wrote: »

Is it true that if you have cusack stand tickets you will be not left down the road to jurys before the game? Apparently this happened last weekend. We had no issue for semi final. Supposed to be meeting family there but I'm in the cusack

Tell them your going to the elverys store or meeting somebody at the hotel and they will let you through.
Done it a few times myself no hassle when I often had to meet somebody at the hotel or at elverys to collect tickets.

17togo

Fattes wrote:

See above ultimately you can not be denied access to any public street of you have lawful business.

But you can, lawful business doesn't include going to a pub for a pint cos you like it there, or arranging to meet people at a specific location. Croke Park Hotel falls into this category. Telling a guard that you can't be stopped heading down the street would result in you being stopped heading down that street, unless you have a ticket of course, or explained the situation to them. You probably will be let through if you explain the scenario but I wouldn't try demanding it.
You can also be diverted to a specific entrance for the ticket you hold.

Google Section 21 of the public order act (I would copy and paste it here myself, but every time I leave this page I lose whatever I've already typed)

Greybottle

Forget the Croke Park Hotel idea. It can take 30 mins to get in there on match day as they only let people in when one is going out. And they've heard every excuse under the sun.

If you want to drop the ticket somewhere I'd recommend Mayes Pub on the corner of Frederick St Nth and Dorset St. It's a traditional Roscommon pub and they'll be supporting Galway on the day. I've left tickets there before and the price of a pint for the barman. Print your name ane and phone number on it so they can check it's you.

siobhan1983

Ok will try sweet talk my way through and see how I get on. Really want to be with my family before hand. We got in no problem for the cork match so hoping we will be ok for tomorrow.

Fattes

17togo wrote: »

But you can, lawful business doesn't include going to a pub for a pint cos you like it there, or arranging to meet people at a specific location. Croke Park Hotel falls into this category. Telling a guard that you can't be stopped heading down the street would result in you being stopped heading down that street, unless you have a ticket of course, or explained the situation to them. You probably will be let through if you explain the scenario but I wouldn't try demanding it.
You can also be diverted to a specific entrance for the ticket you hold.

Google Section 21 of the public order act (I would copy and paste it here myself, but every time I leave this page I lose whatever I've already typed)

I posted it above already about 6 posts back including section 2 &3
Going to a pub to meet someone is lawful business! I never said you demand anything of the Gardai I did point out you have no legal obligation to engage with a steward attempting to block a public street. Simply explaining to a guard that you require access to point x for purpose y will be enough. Of the Garda deny you, they are in breach of the public order act themselves unless your request for access is not for lawful or meaningful purpose .

17togo

Fattes wrote:

I posted it above already about 6 posts back including section 2 &3 Going to a pub to meet someone is lawful business! I never said you demand anything of the Gardai I did point out you have no legal obligation to engage with a steward attempting to block a public street. Simply explaining to a guard that you require access to point x for purpose y will be enough. Of the Garda deny you, they are in breach of the public order act themselves unless your request for access is not for lawful or meaningful purpose .

I've a feeling we're going to have agree to disagree on this one. IMO going for a pint in a pub that's inside a cordon without a ticket doesn't constitute lawful business.
And I didn't mean you demanded anything I was just elaborating on your point when you said you can't be stopped if you have lawful business.

Fattes

17togo wrote: »

I've a feeling we're going to have agree to disagree on this one. IMO going for a pint in a pub that's inside a cordon without a ticket doesn't constitute lawful business.
And I didn't mean you demanded anything I was just elaborating on your point when you said you can't be stopped if you have lawful business.

Act is below, lawful business includes any activity that would be protected via the constitution or legislation. It is legal to arrange to meet people at a public place of your choosing, ergo under 21.3 the phrase that is most important is a "Garda Síochana shall not prohibit"

The legislation specifically designates circumstances where the Garda can not impede you crossing a barrier erected under the relevant section of the act. You may wish to disagree. It the interpretation is well tested and the Gardai will rarely stop someone with a genuine reason around Croke park

Section 21.3 "(3) A member of the Garda Síochána shall not prohibit a person from crossing or passing a barrier erected under this section save for the purpose of diverting the person to another means of access to the event, if it appears to the member that the person is seeking to do so for the purpose only of—

(a) going to his dwelling or place of business or work in the vicinity of the event, or

(B)going for any other lawful purpose to any place in the vicinity of the event other than the place where the event is taking place or is about to take place."

Simply put only a member of the Gardai can ask you to present your ticket the stewards have no right to do so. Secondly a Garda can not deny you access if you have a lawful purpose to be in the vacinity, that would include going to a public house, hotel or other business.

The Gardai never step in well once with me in 15 years and I never show my ticket the once a Garda stepped in was to tell a steward to take his hands off me after he grabbed me. Garda asked did I have a ticket I said yes he waved me through, didn't ask to see it.

Bag searches are volunteery technically, you could request a Garda does the search if you wanted to be really fussy. But to be honest in the current climate it is a pretty reasonable and sensible request

dxhound2005

Fattes wrote: »

Bag searches are volunteery technically, you could request a Garda does the search if you wanted to be really fussy. But to be honest in the current climate it is a pretty reasonable and sensible request

I don't see any function for the Gardai in bag searches. Someone buying a ticket to attend a venue is partaking in a commercial transaction subject to contract law. If the ticket seller sets a condition that excludes certain items being brought in or certain types of bags for example, then they would have the right to deny admission to anyone refusing to abide by those conditions. Someone doing that would not be breaking any law, so why would the Gardai have to be involved?

I fail to see the logic for your objection to stewards checking tickets when you are so relaxed about having your private property examined. But you are correct that legally they have no right to do so on the public highway.

Fattes

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I don't see any function for the Gardai in bag searches. Someone buying a ticket to attend a venue is partaking in a commercial transaction subject to contract law. If the ticket seller sets a condition that excludes certain items being brought in or certain types of bags for example, then they would have the right to deny admission to anyone refusing to abide by those conditions. Someone doing that would not be breaking any law, so why would the Gardai have to be involved?

I fail to see the logic for your objection to stewards checking tickets when you are so relaxed about having your private property examined. But you are correct that legally they have no right to do so on the public highway.

Under Irish law only the Gardai can perform personal searches, unless the person consents to a civilian performing the search. There is a reason there is a Garda stationed beside every search station at concerts and now at CP. The searches performed by civilians would not be upheld under any law. Amazingly even the Gardai powers of search without consent are limited without reasonable suspicion that you have committed an offence.

I never bring a bag to Croke park, but in light of recent events in Europe and having witnessed the searches at CP they are not a big deal, also you are asked can they check your bag, and you can request a Garda search.

As for being stopped bye a steward, they have no right to stop or question you. It's a much bigger issue on a public street than a request for a cursory glance inside a bag at the entrance to a venue

dxhound2005

What about car drivers? Have they not got the same right to proceed to any destination they wish, just like a pedestrian? What is the legal basis for the barriers where the stewards are stationed being set up on the public highway hundreds of yards away from the venue?

I was at the Dublin Tyrone game and the examination of my bag was certainly cursory. And no examination of the coat folded over my arm was requested. It had a bottle of water in the pocket, but that could have easily been a gun or a grenade.

For me it is a bigger intrusion to be asked to show what I am carrying compared to being asked to show my ticket.

Fattes

dxhound2005 wrote: »

What about car drivers? Have they not got the same right to proceed to any destination they wish, just like a pedestrian? What is the legal basis for the barriers where the stewards are stationed being set up on the public highway hundreds of yards away from the venue?

The legal basis is section 21 Public order act. It is a number of subsections 2 & 3 in particular that allow right of access and subject the Gardai to restrictions on denial of access.

Yep cars drivers have the same rights. However if the Gardai can provide an alternative route they must take it so using roads for through access just isn't going to happen.

StupidLikeAFox

Get your friend to meet you in athlone tonight, 2 hr round trip for you both. It will save you the price of a solicitor to explain all this legal stuff to the stewards tomorrow too

Fattes

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Get your friend to meet you in athlone tonight, 2 hr round trip for you both. It will save you the price of a solicitor to explain all this legal stuff to the stewards tomorrow too

Stewards won't argue with you, if they refuse you, simoly ask to speak to the Garda standing behind them, they will let you through simple really

Fr Tod Umptious

OP and the other poster who wants to get down Jones Rd with a Cusack ticket.

Let us know how ye get on please.

Realt Dearg Sec

I've always been fine going down Jones road to meet family in the hotel the day of the final even though my ticket was always for the Cusack. I always just say I'm meeting family or collecting a ticket (the truth), I'm sure as long as you're polite about it that's no problem.

obi604

OP here. Got sorted. Friend will leave ticket in Neighbours house, so will just leg it there before match.