Kids on Flights

pickarooney · 30-08-2017 08:22PM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Candie didn't attack you, she gave you some advice.

I think this may be why some people are forever finding themselves in the most intolerable situations. They'll just do anything to find offence.

30-08-2017 08:24PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Oh look, the coven has circled.

What is wrong with calming a meltdown child down a bit with a safe medicine anyway?

I really wish someone would answer why it is better for the child, parents and everyone else to witness terrible distress in a child that goes on for over an hour, than to help them with a very safe liquid.

We are not talking about shops or the bus or anything, one can escape those situations very quickly if necessary. It is not so easy 33 thousand feet up is it?

I feel sorry for the children who are affected. Terrible to put them through this by bringing them into an environment that will so adversely affect them.

It is not the child's fault for sure.

I think you should leave it to the parents and their doctors to decide what's in the best interests of their kids.

JimmyMcGill · 30-08-2017 08:25PM

Candie wrote: »

I think you should leave it to the parents and their doctors to decide what's in the best interests of their kids.

While the rest of us deal with the fallout. Thanks but no thanks.

ceadaoin. · 30-08-2017 08:25PM

Parents can't win. If someone was seen giving their child medicine purely to knock them out they would be judged. Lazy, bad mother etc (and it is usually the mother who is judged in such a way) If they let them walk or run in public they are judged. Yet strap them into a buggy and they are also judged (poor kids getting no exercise, no wonder so many are fat etc) Give them a tablet or device to occupy, yep you guessed it...judged again. Read them a book instead? Too noisy and obnoxious.

Some people just have an immense sense of entitlement and like to complain about everything. I don't get it, life's too short to get worked up about what amounts to a minor inconvenience for a tiny fraction of your time.

pickarooney · 30-08-2017 08:29PM

JimmyMcGill wrote: »

While the rest of us deal with the fallout. Thanks but no thanks.

A bit of noise for an hour on a plane is like dealing with the aftermath of a nuclear catastrophe, is it, yeah?

God love you.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 30-08-2017 08:34PM

To be honest, I'd have sympathy within reason. Is my comfort on a flight less important than the comfort of a family flying? No. it's a public space, so some noise is expected and should be tolerated but ear curling screams? Absolutely not. I don't care what condition or illness if any is at play if I can't remove myself from the situation.

Spanish Eyes · 30-08-2017 08:34PM

Candie wrote: »

I think you should leave it to the parents and their doctors to decide what's in the best interests of their kids.

I think you should get back in your box quite frankly.

In case you have forgotten, this is AH not GP Central.

ceadaoin. · 30-08-2017 08:39PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

To be honest, I'd have sympathy within reason. Is my comfort on a flight less important than the comfort of a family flying? No. it's a public space, so some noise is expected and should be tolerated but ear curling screams? Absolutely not. I don't care what condition or illness if any is at play if I can't remove myself from the situation.

So what do you suggest? there is literally nothing you can do about it at 33,000 feet is there. You not having any 'sympathy' for them isn't going to stop the child screaming

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-08-2017 08:41PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Oh look, the coven has circled.

Yep - it's always a conspiracy when people disagree with you.

What is wrong with calming a meltdown child down a bit with a safe medicine anyway?

It's a cop out. Parents gett addicted the administering drugs to their kids to keep them quiete even when they don't need it. At best, this is lazy and not really fair o nthe child; - at worst, it ignores potntially serious underlying issues.

You can't solve every problem with medication and it's a bad idea to start medicating kids purely to placate other people, ecspecually when the kids don't need it.

I really wish someone would answer why it is better for the child, parents and everyone else to witness terrible distress in a child that goes on for over an hour, than to help them with a very safe liquid.

We are not talking about shops or the bus or anything, one can escape those situations very quickly if necessary. It is not so easy 33 thousand feet up is it?

I feel sorry for the children who are affected. Terrible to put them through this by bringing them into an environment that will so adversely affect them.

It is not the child's fault for sure.

Are we talking "terrible distress" here or just typical overactive child loudness?

If it;s not the kids fault, then whyis the answer to drug the kid and be done with it?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 30-08-2017 08:46PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

So what do you suggest? there is literally nothing you can do about it at 33,000 feet is there. You not having any 'sympathy' for them isn't going to stop the child screaming

But I don't have to be tolerant of it and shouldn't/(wouldn't) feel bad if I had to request to be moved or complained

Spanish Eyes · 30-08-2017 08:46PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Yep - it's always a conspiracy when people disagree with you.

It's a cop out. Parents gett addicted the administering drugs to their kids to keep them quiete even when they don't need it. At best, this is lazy and not really fair o nthe child; - at worst, it ignores potntially serious underlying issues.

You can't solve every problem with medication and it's a bad idea to start medicating kids purely to placate other people, ecspecually when the kids don't need it.

Are we talking "terrible distress" here or just typical overactive child loudness?

If it;s not the kids fault, then whyis the answer to drug the kid and be done with it?

Yes. SN children who can get so distressed that it distresses me and many others to witness too.

I also said earlier that it is not the child's fault.

I also wasn't talking about systematic drugging of children, just in enclosed places like on a flight, where nothing can be done to calm them down really.

There is a time and a place.

R.D. aka MR.D · 30-08-2017 08:48PM

I was on a flight recently where the air hostess had to restrain a child of around 4. The mother was refusing to do anything to prevent the child from taking off her seat belt and standing up. She (the mother) actually shouted at the air hostess when she restrained her, but surprise surprise the air hostess managed to restrain her within her seat.

How someone could care so little for the safety of their own child, I just don't know. Maybe the mother was totally fed up. Her husband just sat across the aisle saying in a soft voice 'please sit down'.

It's a style of parenting I don't recognize from my childhood and it is certainly not how my nieces and nephews are being brought up.

However, I do agree with others here that the best thing ever is the moment you get to walk away from the noise. I often joke with my husband and say 'lets go back to our apartment where there are no children'. What a fantastic luxury. Keeping that in mind always keeps me sane. There is an end in sight for me. I can only have sympathy for those who chose a noisier path.

bear1 · 30-08-2017 08:52PM

Funny how you can tell the non parents from the people with kids who think those with kids should go nowhere near a plane until the child is old enough.
Some mentality.
To the ones who say the kids should be drugged the moment they are on a plane, I seriously hope you don't spawn children.

spookwoman · 30-08-2017 08:52PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

So what do you suggest? there is literally nothing you can do about it at 33,000 feet is there. You not having any 'sympathy' for them isn't going to stop the child screaming

TBH Ceadaoin it's not about one or 2 people it's everyone who is in earshot of the screaming. Some people can handle a kid crying others can't and they have a right to complain and ask to be moved. if a parent knows their kid is going to kick off for hours on a plane is that not being a bit selfish?

eviltwin · 30-08-2017 08:54PM

I have two children on the spectrum, I have yet to take one on a plane because I know that it would be a challenge for him. However one day we may have to, a lot of our family are abroad and we may have to travel if someone gets sick or dies and fcuk it, we may just go somewhere because we feel we deserve a holiday.

I personally would hate to feel my child and his issues were a bother to anyone but I can't make him be the good little child who sits quietly and doesn't get upset. You can't talk a child who is have an sensory meltdown out of it. I get that its awful to be stuck on a flight with a crying child but a bit of empathy. I refuse to keep my kid out of public in case he upsets or offends anyone, I refuse to medicate him so someone else can have a nice flight.

People are so supportive of ASD until it impacts on their peace and quiet, then you are the sh!t parent with the little brat. Its horrible to be judged like that, just have a bit of empathy.

bear1 · 30-08-2017 08:54PM

spookwoman wrote: »

TBH Ceadaoin it'd not about one or 2 people it's everyone who is in earshot of the screaming. Some people can handle a kid crying others can't and they have a right to complain and ask to be moved. if a parent knows their kid is going to kick off for hours on a plane is that not being a bit selfish?

How do you foresee a child will snap? Leaving a child with special needs aside.
You get on a plane with a baby and for half the flight the baby is calm and the suddenly snaps. Is the parents selfish or have the passengers a right to complain cause the mother or father should have known?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 30-08-2017 08:56PM

Sheeple34 wrote: »

attention seeking lady with the brown bag

That makes your post hypocritical... Quick to shout down others who judge, while doing the same yourself... :rolleyes:

If somebody is doing something to really make me uncomfortable on a journey (kicking seat, playing loud music etc), I ask them politely to stop it. Being courteous works both ways. If you are giving people attitude then it's less likely they will comply with your request.

Nobody should be restricted travel, and nobody should be judged on their decision to bring their child with them, illness or not.

retro:electro · 30-08-2017 08:56PM

Absolutely foolish to drug your child on a flight. What would you do if they had a reaction 10,000 feet in the air?
Sure, some flights with screaming children can be very unpleasant, but it's literally one day of your life, at most.
If you're that put out then by all means, drug yourself. Knock yourself out.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-08-2017 08:59PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Yes. SN children who can get so distressed that it distresses me and many others to witness too.

I also said earlier that it is not the child's fault.

I also wasn't talking about systematic drugging of children, just in enclosed places like on a flight, where nothing can be done to calm them down really.

There is a time and a place.

My point is that, if you start drugging kids here, it will become systematic.

If the kids are genuinely distressed by the ordeal of flying to the point they are terrified by it, I would agree with you. But I'd feel the same way about anyone forced into that situation, child or adult.

But if it's just loud kids, then no - you do not jave the right to demand kids be medicated just because it annoys you. An airline is ultimately a communal space not a private one and as such, you do not get to conrol it just because you paid to enter.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 30-08-2017 09:03PM

Drugging children should 100% not even be suggested as a solution. With ASD diagnosis rising I think it's up to the airline to try accommodate people better on the spectrum and parents planning better. Arriving to board a flight with a child with a disability that is impacting on many other passengers is not really a great idea, what if a child or adult in the spectrum who is sensitive to noise is on board and can't cope? Everybody in the shared space need to be considered. Some might be understanding and sympathetic, others might not be and that's okay too

Spanish Eyes · 30-08-2017 09:03PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

My point is that, if you start drugging kids here, it will become systematic.

If the kids are genuinely distressed by the ordeal of flying to the point they are terrified by it, I would agree with you. But I'd feel the same way about anyone forced into that situation, child or adult.

But if it's just loud kids, then no - you do not jave the right to demand kids be medicated just because it annoys you. An airline is ultimately a communal space not a private one and as such, you do not have the right to demand everything be set to your personal comfort just because you paid to enter.

I was referring to genuinely distressed children who are screaming and terrified and will not settle no matter what the parent tries to do the help them.

Kids will be kids and I don't mind noisy kids I can usually tune that out, but TBH a high decibel piercing scream that just goes on and on is intolerable both for child, parent and everyone else. Sounds very cruel to me.

Medication is available for such circumstances 33k ft up in the ether. It is not necessary anywhere else as the child can generally be removed from the situation quite quickly.

I have ASD nephews. I am not talking out of my backside here.

30-08-2017 09:05PM

I guess much depends on circumstance. I mean, if it was their first flight together, they may not have anticipated the reaction and not much they can do about it really. Or if they specifically took a flight during the child's nap time and so tried to mitigate matters but it didn't work out, fair enough. If on the other hand they knew it and just shrugged their shoulders and went ahead, less sympathy. Not sure we really know enough to judge whether they were doing their best or went knowing this would happen.

dr.fuzzenstein · 30-08-2017 09:10PM

JimmyMcGill wrote: »

While the rest of us deal with the fallout. Thanks but no thanks.

Then flying or any situation with kids is not for you. But of course you should know that before getting on a plane.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-08-2017 09:10PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I was referring to genuinely distressed children who are screaming and terrified and will not settle no matter what the parent tries to do the help them.

Kids will be kids and I don't mind noisy kids I can usually tune that out, but TBH a high decibel piercing scream that just goes on and on is intolerable both for child, parent and everyone else. Sounds very cruel to me.

Medication is available for such circumstances 33k ft up in the ether. It is not necessary anywhere else as the child can generally be removed from the situation quite quickly.

I have ASD nephews. I am not talking out of my backside here.

I never implied that you were - my point is simply don't drug kids just to comfort others. Kids and drugs/medicine should only be done under the huidence of a doctor, not an airline steward. (And no - I don't beleive kids who don't take medicine normally, should be given a perscription just because the kid's excigted about flying next week either)

30-08-2017 09:10PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think you should get back in your box quite frankly.

In case you have forgotten, this is AH not GP Central.

There's no need to be so unpleasant. You don't handle disagreement very well. Nobody has been rude to you and that's uncalled for.

spookwoman · 30-08-2017 09:11PM

bear1 wrote: »

How do you foresee a child will snap? Leaving a child with special needs aside.
You get on a plane with a baby and for half the flight the baby is calm and the suddenly snaps. Is the parents selfish or have the passengers a right to complain cause the mother or father should have known?

We all know things can happen can happen to anyone, air sickness, ear aches etc. But I'm talking about when if they know for sure that things are really going kick off.

Spanish Eyes · 30-08-2017 09:13PM

Candie wrote: »

There's no need to be so unpleasant. You don't handle disagreement very well. Nobody has been rude to you and that's uncalled for.

I think you told me to go drug myself. Hypocrisy much?

It is AH, take a hike.

30-08-2017 09:16PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think you told me to go drug myself. Hypocrisy much?

It is AH, take a hike.

I don't think you understand what hypocrisy means. An example would be claiming a personal attack where there wasn't, and then referring to people who disagree with you as a coven.

I suggested drugging yourself as an alternative to drugging children with special needs. A perfectly reasonable alternative to an unreasonable suggestion.

Since you insist on being uncivil, I won't be responding to you again.

KERSPLAT! · 30-08-2017 09:17PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Yes. SN children who can get so distressed that it distresses me and many others to witness too.

I also said earlier that it is not the child's fault.

I also wasn't talking about systematic drugging of children, just in enclosed places like on a flight, where nothing can be done to calm them down really.

There is a time and a place.

Time and a place to drug your child? Yes, if required for medicinal purposes, not to knock them out for a flight. What the fùck.

KERSPLAT! · 30-08-2017 09:19PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I was referring to genuinely distressed children who are screaming and terrified and will not settle no matter what the parent tries to do the help them.

Kids will be kids and I don't mind noisy kids I can usually tune that out, but TBH a high decibel piercing scream that just goes on and on is intolerable both for child, parent and everyone else. Sounds very cruel to me.

Medication is available for such circumstances 33k ft up in the ether. It is not necessary anywhere else as the child can generally be removed from the situation quite quickly.

I have ASD nephews. I am not talking out of my backside here.

That's debatable.

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