Kids on Flights

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-08-2017 05:13PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

"Decide whether to endure it"? What happens if they decide not to endure it?

Then they can go to the Canaries by land.

bear1 · 30-08-2017 05:14PM

BrokenArrows wrote: »

A child having a tantrum screaming for a solid hour is not just a bit annoying.

And yes parents with special needs children should not be taking their kids on long flights if it puts that child under a lot of stress and to a similar extent will cause the annoyance of 180 other passengers.

Its a plane, the other passengers cannot just getup and walk away. A child screaming can be heard from the front to the back of the plane. Even if they could, im pretty sure having the 40 passengers that surround the child crammed up the other end of the plane to get away from the kid would be frowned upon by the crew!

So a flight that lasts 1 hour is a long flight?
God help ya so..

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-08-2017 05:14PM

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Liordi · 30-08-2017 05:16PM

BrokenArrows wrote: »

And yes parents with special needs children should not be taking their kids on long flights if it puts that child under a lot of stress and to a similar extent will cause the annoyance of 180 other passengers.

Where should parents take them during the summer holidays then?
They could be distressed for a seven hour flight but that doesn't mean they don't deserve to experience other countries.

I'm sure parents of special needs children would love if a plane existed solely for others in their position.

_Dara_ · 30-08-2017 05:21PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yep it goes with the territory alright but the parents assessed the likely outcome of bringing their child on a flight and the probably repercussions and decided that they, on behalf of their fellow passengers, were willing to take that risk.

And if you're implying that children (making up a pretty tiny minority of air passengers) cause no more or less disturbance than adult, then I don't think you're being quite frank.

Personally, I've experienced more disruption from adults, usually drunken, than children on public transport. And I am being truthful there.

A parent with an autistic child may have to fly somewhere with that child at some point. Is it reasonable to think an autistic child should never set foot on a plane at any point in their childhood? No, so other passengers need to just deal with that.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 30-08-2017 05:23PM

Had a bad one to Tenerife years ago. Screaming, banging, fighting.

I felt so sorry for the mother, the kids would curse at her when she tried to control them. Two little tough guys, 8-10yrs old.

Both in need of a serious arse kicking. If I behaved like that in public when I was their age I would be in the ground right now.

_Dara_ · 30-08-2017 05:23PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Then they can go to the Canaries by land.

Imagine a passenger declaring "I don't want to endure a flight with children". Everyone else would be like "Er, grand so, off you go!".

spookwoman · 30-08-2017 05:23PM

BrokenArrows wrote: »

A child having a tantrum screaming for a solid hour is not just a bit annoying.

And yes parents with special needs children should not be taking their kids on long flights if it puts that child under a lot of stress and to a similar extent will cause the annoyance of 180 other passengers.

Its a plane, the other passengers cannot just getup and walk away. A child screaming can be heard from the front to the back of the plane. Even if they could, im pretty sure having the 40 passengers that surround the child crammed up the other end of the plane to get away from the kid would be frowned upon by the crew!

Kids screams can hit 120db that's about same as a chainsaw and a rock concert. An emergency siren on an ambulance is about 115db. 120db is the threshold of pain and at that point it can cause hearing loss. If that level of noise was in a workplace ear protection would be a requirement for health and safety.

Zubeneschamali · 30-08-2017 05:25PM

BrokenArrows wrote: »

People have every right to be annoyed at her for making an hour of their flight hell.

I absolutely agree, every right.

No-one has to care that they are annoyed, but they have every right to be.

myshirt · 30-08-2017 05:25PM

This reminds me of a guy I came across giving out about disabled people using the bus because 'where was he supposed to put his bike'. This was Limerick in the late 90's. He also had a go at single mothers with buggys on the bus.

Try see the world through the eyes of this young child, and not through your own eyes for a moment. The child has quite significant challenges in life, and yet some here want to cut them off and isolate them because they are different. Ffs, have we really got that bad?

ZX7R · 30-08-2017 05:25PM

As a father of a child who has autism and severe intellectual disabilitys i, hope the person who posted that they think most atusim is a miss Diogenes and a lot down to bad parenting tell that to my child who can't talk, still in nappies and has to go to a special needs school. I hope you never have a child with special needs.
As far a flying with my child preparation is everything we go for long drves in car so the child gets use to sitting for long flights bring plenty of toys that will entertain them e.c.t
The only times i have had bad reactions from the public to my child has been in Ireland, manly due to the lack of education or special needs by them

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-08-2017 05:27PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Imagine a passenger declaring "I don't want to endure a flight with children". Everyone else would be like "Er, grand so, off you go!".

Oh, they'd just scream blue murder and balem the airline dispite being asked to be advised by said airline up front.

Especially if it was Ryanair.

jmayo · 30-08-2017 05:31PM

Candie wrote: »

I think you're spot on, it's a sort of sense of entitlement they have, that the world should just accommodate them and no one else matters. I'm just always amazed there are so many people who seem to hate not just kids, but their parents too, just for existing.

Hopefully it's confined to online spaces like this and isn't a thing in the real world, but you'd wonder about people who talk about kids like they're animals, as illustrated earlier in the thread.

I often defend parents around here, because I am one, from people who seem dislike the very existence of kids.
But there are two sides to it.

There are some people who think that everyone else should have to put up with their children, no matter what they are doing.
I actually find the same attitude with some people re their pets.
Why can't some people get it that not everyone wants to put up with their kids or their pets.

Now I can see why families go abroad on holiday as we decided to go this year after being rained out of it last year at home.
But I don't think I would put myself or my child (if they were autistic and liable to breakdown) through it, never mind other passengers.
When our kids were very young we stayed at home or took the ferry.
It was a lot less stressful for us and them.
Now that they are a bit older and have some sense we can fly.
Even then the little fellow 4 was a bit of a pain for the first part of the flight back and it was down to me not charging a tablet for his amusement.

And I can see the dilemma and the suggestion from the poster re an autistic child attacking it's mother.
What are they supposed to do and how can they help ?
Will the intervention of unknown adult make the situation worse?
What if the child starts attacking another passenger ?

You may know a lot about handling people with autism, but most of us don't.

Air travel is now stressful for most people and adding extra stress to that makes it worse.
People have been shunted, coraled, probed for hours before they have even gained access to a pressurised tin can flying 4 odd miles above the ground where the air is recirculated a few times an hour.

Also on related topic about misruly adults, I would be in favour of banning the drinking of alcohol on flights and not allowing anyone on board that were anyway inebriated.

_Dara_ · 30-08-2017 05:31PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I absolutely agree, every right.

No-one has to care that they are annoyed, but they have every right to be.

Brilliant.

What does this right to be annoyed entail exactly?

Doctor Nick · 30-08-2017 05:33PM

ZX7R wrote: »

As a father of a child who has autism and severe intellectual disabilitys i, hope the person who posted that they think most atusim is a miss Diogenes and a lot down to bad parenting tell that to my child who can't talk, still in nappies and has to go to a special needs school. I hope you never have a child with special needs.
As far a flying with my child preparation is everything we go for long drves in car so the child gets use to sitting for long flights bring plenty of toys that will entertain them e.c.t
The only times i have had bad reactions from the public to my child has been in Ireland, manly due to the lack of education or special needs by them

I didn't say all children are misdiagnosed. I said a lot are. I know autism is real, my sisters sister in law has a child who suffers from it and I know how difficult it can be. You have my sympathies. However, I know of a lot of children that have been diagnosed as autistic when, in truth, they are just misbehaved. Children who are incorrectly diagnosed whether it's through laziness or just to excuse bad behaviour actually do a disservice to those who actually suffer from autism. It is not something that should be thrown around lightly and can make things incredibly difficult for actual people who suffer from the condition.

Zubeneschamali · 30-08-2017 05:39PM

Doctor Nick wrote: »

I know of a lot of children that have been diagnosed as autistic when, in truth, they are just misbehaved.

Hi, Doctor Nick!

spookwoman · 30-08-2017 05:39PM

Bit of do as I say not as I do with that lady.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 30-08-2017 05:46PM

I always fly business class, so have never been stuck sitting beside some brat child screaming and having a tantrum. On European short haul, the business class experience has been utterly devalued, so you can be uncomfortably close to cattle class, and have to endure the noise pollution that emanates from the area. An investment in a premium pair of noise-cancelling Sennheiser headphones has paid it itself back many times over.

I'll always try and book a Lufthansa or Emirates A380 for long-haul flights, as the business and first class sections are on a different floor to economy. You'll occasionally encounter a child in these sections, but even they seem to instinctively know that peace and quiet are some of the reasons you are paying a premium for the section.

ceadaoin. · 30-08-2017 05:49PM

Minderbinder wrote: »

So not only do the parents get discounts for noisy kids, but we have to pay extra for not being subjected to them?

Actually babies and little children should be charged the full price of a ticket. Then we'll see how important it is to the parents that their little angel goes to Spain. I'd say most will be staying home with Granny and Granddad where they should be.

If they have a seat then they are charged full price. If they are sitting on a parents lap they are charged a fee. Therefore they are 'paying customers' just like everyone else. Not sure why you think otherwise?

jmayo · 30-08-2017 05:57PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

If they have a seat then they are charged full price. If they are sitting on a parents lap they are charged a fee. Therefore they are 'paying customers' just like everyone else. Not sure why you think otherwise?

Actually that is a thing, why do you have to pay something for a baby when they are on the parents lap and not taking up a seat ?

Reminds me of Croke Park now charging for a seat for a baby.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 30-08-2017 06:02PM

Jeez, hasn't anyone here heard of the ACME Wingbaby? They're available in all good stores nationwide:

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pickarooney · 30-08-2017 07:53PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

They are children, not animals ffs. This isn't the Victorian times where children should be 'seen and not heard'. They are part of society and have a right to participate in it. Get over yourself. What I find is that the anti kid brigade tend to embellish these incidents of rowdy screaming children in every place they go. It's rare I notice any tbh.

Yep. I fly about 6 times a year and have never once been inconvenienced by a child or an adult. Or maybe something trivial that I forgot two seconds later. I wonder about these people who are constantly having their lives disrupted by other people.

Spanish Eyes · 30-08-2017 07:55PM

Piriton liquid (or similar) makes you sleepy. All passengers should have a supply then screaming kids won't bother you if you take some!

I wouldn't dare say give it to the kids. That would be totally wrong wouldn't it, even though it is safe in children from 1 yr old up. Nah, that would be too easy. Parents need to research this for a long flight with challenging children.

It is no fun for the child having a total meltdown, or for the parents and other passengers either. I think I would give a spoonful to my child if I thought it would help them avoid meltdown behaviour. I really would.

Cue, all those who say it is not safe, it could interract with other drugs, they can be drowsy for days. Not listening unless you have tried it. But sometimes doing the right and safe thing for a SN child could help them and everyone else. Couldn't it?

30-08-2017 07:57PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Piriton liquid (or similar) makes you sleepy. All passengers should have a supply then screaming kids won't bother you if you take some!

I wouldn't dare say give it to the kids. That would be totally wrong wouldn't it, even though it is safe in children from 1 yr old up. Nah, that would be too easy. Parents need to research this for a long flight with challenging children.

It is no fun for the child having a total meltdown, or for the parents and other passengers either. I think I would give a spoonful to my child if I thought it would help them avoid meltdown behaviour. I really would.

Cue, all those who say it is not safe, it could interract with other drugs, they can be drowsy for days. Not listening unless you have tried it. But sometimes doing the right and safe thing for a SN child could help them and everyone else. Couldn't it?

Just drug yourself and leave the kids alone.

Spanish Eyes · 30-08-2017 08:03PM

Candie wrote: »

Just drug yourself and leave the kids alone.

I think you might need some too, you judgmental person. But there's always one or two here who know everything and judge everyone.

Did you read my post at all or just have a knee jerk reaction?

I will repeat..... a safe anti histamine indicated in children over 1 year, can cause drowsiness. It is NOT a sleeping tablet or benzo or anything like that.

Surely having a sleepy child is better than a child going into meltdown for ages, hours or however long. The parents will be happy too. Along with other passengers.

That's all. You OK with another's views (without another personal attack I mean).

30-08-2017 08:08PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think you might need some too, you judgmental person. But there's always one or two here who know everything and judge everyone.

Did you read my post at all or just have a knee jerk reaction?

I will repeat..... a safe anti histamine indicated in children over 1 year, can cause drowsiness. It is NOT a sleeping tablet or benzo or anything like that.

Surely having a sleepy child is better than a child going into meltdown for ages, hours or however long. The parents will be happy too. Along with other passengers.

That's all. You OK with another's views (without another personal attack I mean).

What are you talking about? Less of the hysteria please, there was no personal attack.

You suggested that kids be given a sedating medicine to keep them quiet for a flight. Not a great suggestion, but you seem to think it's okay to drug kids for other peoples convenience. I'm sure parents can discuss these things with their doctors and ascertain it's viability as a course of action, if they so wish.

I suggested you take it instead, leaving the kids out of the equation. A perfectly reasonable alternative.

ceadaoin. · 30-08-2017 08:09PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think you might need some too, you judgmental person. But there's always one or two here who know everything and judge everyone.

Did you read my post at all or just have a knee jerk reaction?

I will repeat..... a safe anti histamine indicated in children over 1 year, can cause drowsiness. It is NOT a sleeping tablet or benzo or anything like that.

Surely having a sleepy child is better than a child going into meltdown for ages, hours or however long. The parents will be happy too. Along with other passengers.

That's all. You OK with another's views (without another personal attack I mean).

It's a bit extreme to preemptively drug a child for a short 2 hour flight just in case they might make noise though isn't it? Should they also be drugged for shopping trips and bus journeys too? God forbid someone should hear them. Oh the horror!

IvyTheTerrible · 30-08-2017 08:09PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think you might need some too, you judgmental person. But there's always one or two here who know everything and judge everyone.

Did you read my post at all or just have a knee jerk reaction?

I will repeat..... a safe anti histamine indicated in children over 1 year, can cause drowsiness. It is NOT a sleeping tablet or benzo or anything like that.

Surely having a sleepy child is better than a child going into meltdown for ages, hours or however long. The parents will be happy too. Along with other passengers.

That's all. You OK with another's views (without another personal attack I mean).

Candie didn't attack you, she gave you some advice.

IvyTheTerrible · 30-08-2017 08:10PM

I think we should drug everybody except me, then life would go so smoothly. For me. Me me me.

Spanish Eyes · 30-08-2017 08:17PM

Oh look, the coven has circled.

What is wrong with calming a meltdown child down a bit with a safe medicine anyway?

I really wish someone would answer why it is better for the child, parents and everyone else to witness terrible distress in a child that goes on for over an hour, than to help them with a very safe liquid.

We are not talking about shops or the bus or anything, one can escape those situations very quickly if necessary. It is not so easy 33 thousand feet up is it?

I feel sorry for the children who are affected. Terrible to put them through this by bringing them into an environment that will so adversely affect them.

It is not the child's fault for sure.

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