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Kids on Flights

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 429 ✭✭JimmyMcGill


    jimgoose wrote: »
    I've read some statements on here over the years, but Jaysis... :pac:

    She has a point. Could be an answer to extreme cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I was once on a plane where a kid who is likely special needs was assaulting her moyher very badly. So much so that if the air crew had seen it i reckon they would have been put off the plane in case it got worse in the air.

    Luckily it didnt but it could easily have gone the other way.

    I know it ain't popular, but some kids really should be sedated for certain journeys.

    Christ.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ush1 wrote: »
    In fairness, are you supposed to look around smiling while some kid is battering their mother? Tad awkward.

    You don't have to watch though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    I know it ain't popular, but some kids really should be sedated for certain journeys.

    Do you mean like Calpol Six Plus or do you mean full on B.A (I ain't gettin' on no plane) Baracus?


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Candie wrote: »
    You don't have to watch though.

    Or you could ask if they need assistance.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,467 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Candie wrote: »
    You don't have to watch though.

    Would you say that if it was a random adult assaulting another random passenger?

    Not saying it's the same but having to look away goes to show how strange the whole thing would be.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Would you say that if it was a random adult assaulting another random passenger?

    Not saying it's the same but having to look away goes to show how strange the whole thing would be.

    Well it'd be bad manners to watch, not to mention making the already stressed parents even more self conscious.

    You can't compare a child with special needs to a random adult. One is an assault, the other is a situation that the kid has no control over and can't be helped. Staring at the family would be a lousy thing to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,467 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Candie wrote: »
    Well it'd be bad manners to watch, not to mention making the already stressed parents even more self conscious.

    You can't compare a child with special needs to a random adult. One is an assault, the other is a situation that the kid has no control over and can't be helped. Staring at the family would be a lousy thing to do.

    Bad manners to watch??

    What if the parent is being badly injured? I suppose looking would just be awkward. :confused:


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 81,191 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude



    I know it ain't popular, but some kids really should be sedated for certain journeys.

    Ahh sure why don't we just put down in the cargo hold altogether ehh? with the cats and dogs and whatever else.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Put them in a cage.


    Seriously it is annoying when people bring their litter with them and treat a place like a creche. Was at several things at an arts festival recently and many of the installations and displays had wild navi's running around on a sugar rush crashing into everyone and sundry parent's in another room at the exhibit!.

    Kids in public places should be under control.

    o-VICTOR-MELDREW-570.jpg?7

    A lot of irish just hate children.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Don't blame people for giving out, it's only natural.

    The parents made a judgement call and they judged that their convenience and need for a holiday trumped the convenience and peace of the other passengers.

    I don't know about you but I accept that on public transport, peace and quiet might not happen. And often the lack of peace and quiet is caused by grown adults. Much more so than by children, from my experience actually.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    I think it's unfair to expect paying customers to endure that kind of nonsense and not be annoyed. If a child is special needs and goes bezurk on planes or is likely to I think people have the right to be informed beforehand so they can decide to endure it or not.

    Could they not give the child a sleeping tablet or something when it was clearly in distress?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Bambi985


    In fairness I agree with most posts here, all very reasonable and fair, but it's another story when I'm actually holed up in a small stuffy plane with a kid behind me kicking my seat and a kid beside me yelling the place down and a kid two seats in front of me going full-blown Exorcist-child non-stop for four hours. I'd never be as ignorant as to tut-tut or throw dirty looks because I am not a four-year-old myself, but I probably will fantasise about throwing said child out the window.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    I think it's unfair to expect paying customers to endure that kind of nonsense and not be annoyed. If a child is special needs and goes bezurk on planes or is likely to I think people have the right to be informed beforehand so they can decide to endure it or not.

    "Decide whether to endure it"? What happens if they decide not to endure it? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I find it amazing that people are suggesting to give babies and young kids sleeping pills.
    And warn passengers beforehand?
    "Sorry sir but are you ok before stepping on this plane with knowing that there are 5 children km board and also an autistic child that may be very loud during the entire flight?"
    If they don't warn you that there are stag trips, hen party trips Or in general drunk people on board then what makes you think they'd warn about that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    I think it's unfair to expect paying customers to endure that kind of nonsense and not be annoyed

    Yeah, all those kids getting free flights disturbing your peace.

    I've found way way more adults annoying on flights than kids, you'll find many more of them being drunken dicks and obnoxious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Steve F


    For me it's the other passengers that have the problem not the parents and their children
    Lack of tolerance in this day and age is staggering
    And I thought we were civilized?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭Doctor Nick


    The 'autistic' and 'aspergers' labels are thrown around too easily these days. I don't believe that the majority of children are diagnosed correctly. It's just an excuse for bad behaved youngsters.

    Edit to add: Drunken loud adults are just as annoying as screaming kids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    irishmoss wrote: »
    Why can't they have a section on a plane for parents and kids only?

    Why not have a few rows that are adult only/quiet zone and charge a higher fee? I think I would pay a bit more if I was going on a flight for a few hours and guaranteed peace and quiet.

    So not only do the parents get discounts for noisy kids, but we have to pay extra for not being subjected to them?

    Actually babies and little children should be charged the full price of a ticket. Then we'll see how important it is to the parents that their little angel goes to Spain. I'd say most will be staying home with Granny and Granddad where they should be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭biZrb


    Some serious lack of compassion from people on this thread. The mother of the autistic child didn't ask for her child to be autistic. She probably gets hardly any respite for her child. Her family are affected by this as the child gets the most attention in the family. The holiday was a break for everyone in the family. Yes, it lead to a nosy flight for those who sat near her, but they could walk off the flight and return to their normal lives. The family can't do that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Actually babies and little children should be charged the full price of a ticket. Then we'll see how important it is to the parents that their little angel goes to Spain. I'd say most will be staying home with Granny and Granddad where they should be.

    They are. You don't get out much do you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,949 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Bambi985 wrote: »
    In fairness I agree with most posts here, all very reasonable and fair, but it's another story when I'm actually holed up in a small stuffy plane with a kid behind me kicking my seat and a kid beside me yelling the place down and a kid two seats in front of me going full-blown Exorcist-child non-stop for four hours. I'd never be as ignorant as to tut-tut or throw dirty looks because I am not a four-year-old myself, but I probably will fantasise about throwing said child out the window.

    I don't disagree at all. I'm not going to be pleased at all with a screaming child on a plane myself.

    But I can live with it - especially if there is some condition like autism involved (not that I'd know) and if the parents are doing their best to keep the child calm and relaxed (for the child's sake, not mine).

    I'll take the attitude that these things simply can't be helped sometimes...like I said, I'd be much more understanding, and much less annoyed, in those situations than I would with a group of rowdy drunks, because that it is a situation where 'it can't be helped' most likely doesn't apply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    bear1 wrote: »
    I find it amazing that people are suggesting to give babies and young kids sleeping pills.
    And warn passengers beforehand?
    "Sorry sir but are you ok before stepping on this plane with knowing that there are 5 children km board and also an autistic child that may be very loud during the entire flight?"
    If they don't warn you that there are stag trips, hen party trips Or in general drunk people on board then what makes you think they'd warn about that?

    Where are you going that you're meeting all these hen parties and stag trips? Have you no taste?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Put them in a cage.


    Seriously it is annoying when people bring their litter with them and treat a place like a creche. Was at several things at an arts festival recently and many of the installations and displays had wild navi's running around on a sugar rush crashing into everyone and sundry parent's in another room at the exhibit!.

    Kids in public places should be under control.

    You need a good slap in the face for such a comment. It was an autistic child not a rabid animal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Actually babies and little children should be charged the full price of a ticket. Then we'll see how important it is to the parents that their little angel goes to Spain. I'd say most will be staying home with Granny and Granddad where they should be.

    They are. You don't get out much do you?

    In China infants are free and children have discounts. Pretty sure infants don't pay the full price. Are you sure about that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    The 'autistic' and 'aspergers' labels are thrown around too easily these days. I don't believe that the majority of children are diagnosed correctly. It's just an excuse for bad behaved youngsters.

    Edit to add: Drunken loud adults are just as annoying as screaming kids.

    It took a while but here the post I knew was coming!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    In China infants are free and children have discounts. Pretty sure infants don't pay the full price. Are you sure about that?

    In China they do a lot of things. None of which has anything to do with this conversation though.

    I see you're switching your remarks to just being about infants now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    bear1 wrote: »
    :confused:

    Again, are people with kids, especially those with special needs, not allowed to travel because it can be a bit annoying for passengers?
    She mentioned people began swearing too but for some reason you aren't quoting that part - passengers of course can be annoyed and before I became a parent it also annoyed me but I'd hardly start swearing because of it.
    There was obviously space within the plane for them to move around so instead of making a fuss and acting stupid about it they could simply move and get on with their lives.

    A child having a tantrum screaming for a solid hour is not just a bit annoying.

    And yes parents with special needs children should not be taking their kids on long flights if it puts that child under a lot of stress and to a similar extent will cause the annoyance of 180 other passengers.

    Its a plane, the other passengers cannot just getup and walk away. A child screaming can be heard from the front to the back of the plane. Even if they could, im pretty sure having the 40 passengers that surround the child crammed up the other end of the plane to get away from the kid would be frowned upon by the crew!

    I sat beside a guy on a flight to London who was traveling with a kid who had a meltdown. It only went on for 20 minutes but it was enough to make me nearly have a mental breakdown. A childs high pitched scream is a sound that goes right through you. I tried to help him out by getting toys and trying to entertain the kid. Had it been an hour im sure i would have gone mad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    I don't know about you but I accept that on public transport, peace and quiet might not happen. And often the lack of peace and quiet is caused by grown adults. Much more so than by children, from my experience actually.

    Yep it goes with the territory alright but the parents assessed the likely outcome of bringing their child on a flight and the probably repercussions and decided that they, on behalf of their fellow passengers, were willing to take that risk.

    And if you're implying that children (making up a pretty tiny minority of air passengers) cause no more or less disturbance than adult, then I don't think you're being quite frank.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Where are you going that you're meeting all these hen parties and stag trips? Have you no taste?

    Bit of an idiot aren't you.


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