atheists.. pee me off

utmbuilder · 24-08-2017 2:14pm #1

What is the deal with atheists campaigning for their beliefs and lack of.

Surely if you dont believe in something you just chill out shut up and go by your daily business.

They threat atheism like their new own religion, wanting to squash anything in their sight or their children sight which resembles anyone elses beliefs.

Is it just them thinking they are superior to everyone else and know everything?

I am no holy joe, but these guys pee me off.

Cortina_MK_IV · 24-08-2017 2:17pm

Thank God I'm an atheist.

o1s1n · 24-08-2017 2:20pm

I'll chill out once we finally separate church and state.

I couldn't care less what people believe, as long as it doesn't impact me. Currently it does.

hairyslug · 24-08-2017 2:22pm

I'm not a vegan!!!

24-08-2017 2:23pm

Athiests don't believe in a god or gods, that's it.

It becomes problematic when you have to pretend you do believe in order to get your kid into a school, or when you have laws preventing you from saying unflattering things, or indeed when your clergy operate with impunity and as a result get away with decades or more of rampant child abuse. That's a bit bothersome, and athiests would like the reverential acceptance of the do as I say and I'll do what I like to be history as that mentality a little wearing in 2017. That kind of thing gets into your space, as it becomes a theme in the society you live in. That's what bothers athiests generally.

I agree that believers should be free to practise and believe anything they want, but it shouldn't affect anyone else. That's the big issue and that's why atheists are probably more peed off than you, OP.

Inviere · 24-08-2017 2:24pm

Anyone forcing their opinions or beliefs down your throat are morons, be that atheists, theists, or any other label. It's not atheism or theism that's the problem, its people and their own insecurities.

rainbow kirby · 24-08-2017 2:25pm

When religion and its God-bothering followers can bog off out of our lives, the laws of the land and the uteruses of the women of Ireland then we'll talk.

bnt · 24-08-2017 2:31pm

If you're talking about atheists in the USA, separation of church and state is in their Bill of Rights (1st Amendment), so there are potential legal consequences to mixing them up ...

Grayson · 24-08-2017 2:40pm

bnt wrote: »

If you're talking about atheists in the USA, separation of church and state is in their Bill of Rights (1st Amendment), so there are potential legal consequences to mixing them up ...

Unless it's on their money

mikhail · 24-08-2017 2:43pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

Surely if you dont believe in something you just chill out shut up and go by your daily business.

Well, I don't try to get a kid into a local school daily...

Barry Badrinath · 24-08-2017 2:45pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

Surely if you dont believe in something you just chill out shut up and go by your daily business.

That should be the same for Jesus freaks.

ahnowbrowncow · 24-08-2017 2:48pm

The Catholic Church still has a large say in how our country is run, which it shouldn't seeing as we are a secular state.

They receive a lot of state funding be it from priests automatically getting college chaplain jobs, Catholc charirites receiving large amounts of funding from the state with little accountability or transparency as to how it's spent or indeed the Catholic Church exemption from tax.

Aside from receiving state funds they have a lot of power at local and national level, priests are on a lot of school boards and decide on which teachers should get positions. Then there's the whole baptism requirement to enrol in a school.

They use their influence to affect government decisions, two recent examples being the 8th amendment and the national maternity hospital scandal.

And this is before any mention of the abuse it's respnsible for.

Do Atheists beliefs, of lack of, impinge your life in any meaningful way? No, come back to me when they do.

s8n · 24-08-2017 2:51pm

In my opinion, people who use the phrase "holy Joe" are very holy !!!

Nettle Soup · 24-08-2017 2:53pm

Atheists do not have religious beliefs. They simply do not believe any of the 200+ documented "gods" are real.

Religion does enough damage as it is. It's great that there is balance to the nonsense/control of organised religion. Atheists tend to be more progressive.

AudreyHepburn · 24-08-2017 2:57pm

I honestly couldn't care less what people do or don't believe in - to each his own as they say.

What does bother me is this idea some of the more militant atheists have that their lack of belief somehow makes them superior to those of us that do believe in god and who assume being religious means you are homophobic, against having children outside marriage, believe we are all going to hell for our sins and condone child abuse.

Why feel the need to put others down and mock them because they don't share your beliefs and ideas.

johnnyskeleton · 24-08-2017 2:57pm

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Atheists do not have beliefs. They simply do not believe any of the 200+ documented "gods" are real.

Religion does enough damage as it is. It's great that there is balance to the nonsense/control of organised religion. Atheists tend to be more progressive.

They can believe in science, and human charity and world peace and such things. All it means is that they don't have a religious belief.

Drumpot · 24-08-2017 3:00pm

I don't have a problem with people wanting nothing to do with religion and not wanting it impacting their lives, that's fair. What bothers me is how naieve people can be thinking that the end of religion would resolve or reduce the human instinct for power, corruption, greed and conflict...

The problem is always people, not the tool they use to justify their actions. All they will do is find another excuse, asides from religion, to believe what they want and use it to justify whatever cause they are forcing people to follow.

Its why nothing changes or changes happen so slowly. Rabble rousers know that change is needed, but instead of focusing on the underlying issue, they pick the easiest low hanging fruit to push optical change . In 100 years time we will look as backwards as the things people did 100 years ago. The hubris of each generation thinking its superior to the generation before them is as consistent as the human species can be self destructive . .

Oh and Atheists are no problem to me, its just that ars%holes exist in all walks of life and there happens to be some who happen to be atheists.

RobbieTheRobber · 24-08-2017 3:00pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

What is the deal with atheists campaigning for their beliefs and lack of.

Surely if you dont believe in something you just chill out shut up and go by your daily business.

They threat atheism like their new own religion, wanting to squash anything in their sight or their children sight which resembles anyone elses beliefs.

Is it just them thinking they are superior to everyone else and know everything?

I am no holy joe, but these guys pee me off.

What the Fudge!

Are you annoyed that someone, who doesn't believe the same as you, is annoyed because they don't believe the same thing as someone else?

super_furry · 24-08-2017 3:00pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

What is the deal with atheists campaigning for their beliefs and lack of.

Surely if you dont believe in something you just chill out shut up and go by your daily business.

They threat atheism like their new own religion, wanting to squash anything in their sight or their children sight which resembles anyone elses beliefs.

Is it just them thinking they are superior to everyone else and know everything?

I am no holy joe, but these guys pee me off.

You should pray to God to get rid of them for you.

24-08-2017 3:04pm

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

The Catholic Church still has a large say in how our country is run, which it shouldn't seeing as we are a secular state.

They receive a lot of state funding be it from priests automatically getting college chaplain jobs, Catholc charirites receiving large amounts of funding from the state with little accountability or transparency as to how it's spent or indeed the Catholic Church exemption from tax.

Aside from receiving state funds they have a lot of power at local and national level, priests are on a lot of school boards and decide on which teachers should get positions. Then there's the whole baptism requirement to enrol in a school.

They use their influence to affect government decisions, two recent examples being the 8th amendment and the national maternity hospital scandal.

And this is before any mention of the abuse it's respnsible for.

Do Atheists beliefs, of lack of, impinge your life in any meaningful way? No, come back to me when they do.

This is my issue with the whole situation the poster sincerely believes all of the above most though not all of it is nonsense and they offer no links to back it up either.

What catholic charities get funding with no accountability? for example.

24-08-2017 3:09pm

A large majority of people couldn't care less about religion of any sort except for cultural events like weddings funerals and so on. Bouncy castle Catholics are annoying but so what its their choice.

Academic · 24-08-2017 3:27pm

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

What the Fudge!

Are you annoyed that someone, who doesn't believe the same as you, is annoyed because they don't believe the same thing as someone else?

This seems to be the case with those who get upset with atheists expressing their views. The anti-atheists want a monopoly on the public expression of opinion and want atheists to keep their mouths shut. It's weird.

Nettle Soup · 24-08-2017 3:32pm

Academic wrote: »

This seems to be the with those who get upset with atheists expressing their views. The anti-atheists want a monopoly on the public expression of opinion and want atheists to keep their mouths shut. It's weird.

Is it fear of the unknown? Some people simply need something to justify/explain their existence on Earth. In the past, they simply made it up and others followed.

danganabu · 24-08-2017 3:42pm

rainbow kirby wrote: »

When religion and its God-bothering followers can bog off out of our lives, the laws of the land and the uteruses of the women of Ireland then we'll talk.

You made that up didn't ya??

Are Am Eye · 24-08-2017 3:52pm

danganabu wrote: »

You made that up didn't ya??

uterus : uteri
life : lives

fxotoole · 24-08-2017 3:52pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

What is the deal with atheists campaigning for their beliefs and lack of.

Surely if you dont believe in something you just chill out shut up and go by your daily business.

They threat atheism like their new own religion, wanting to squash anything in their sight or their children sight which resembles anyone elses beliefs.

Is it just them thinking they are superior to everyone else and know everything?

I am no holy joe, but these guys pee me off.

You could say the exact same for Catholics

Banjo · 24-08-2017 4:13pm

OP, it sounds like you're upset with anti-theists rather than atheists (i.e. those who are not content with not believing in a god themselves, it's important that you don't either). It's very frustrating for atheists to be confused with those arseholes, in the same way I guess that not all christians are klansmen.

The_Valeyard · 24-08-2017 4:21pm

Banjo wrote: »

OP, it sounds like you're upset with anti-theists rather than atheists (i.e. those who are not content with not believing in a god themselves, it's important that you don't either). It's very frustrating for atheists to be confused with those arseholes, in the same way I guess that not all christians are klansmen.

Its an easy mistake really. Anti-theists are just as bad as God Botherers. Both the same side of the coin.

kylith · 24-08-2017 4:26pm

The thing that gets me about those that complain about atheist being open about their lack of belief is that they give out about atheists 'ramming their beliefs down others' throats', but I've never had an atheist knock on my door and proselytise, atheist newspapers don't get put in my letterbox and neither do envelopes from atheist organisations looking for money, atheists aren't on the national broadcaster at noon and 6pm saying 'There're no gods' for a full minute, I don't believe I've ever seen someone standing on Henry St. in Dublin yelling about atheism, atheists don't go into schools and tell children they'll burn in an atheist hell if they don't believe in the 'right' thing, atheists don't sign people up to atheism without their consent.

So, you want to moan about people 'forcing their beliefs' on others, OP? I've had people trying to shove Catholicism down my throat since the day I was born.

Academic · 24-08-2017 4:29pm

kylith wrote: »

The thing that gets me about those that complain about atheist being open about their lack of belief is that they give out about atheists 'ramming their beliefs down others' throats', but I've never had an atheist knock on my door and proselytise [...]

Indeed. As far as I can tell, the thing anti-atheists complain about has never actually happened. They're attacking a straw man.

flaneur · 24-08-2017 4:33pm

What have atheists brought Ireland: mostly a debate on secularism.

What have religious dogmatists brought Ireland: shame and self loathing, Magdalene laundries, institutional abuse, forced adoptions, no contraception for decades, no divorce for decades, rampant sectarianism ... the list is endless!

Your Face · 24-08-2017 4:38pm

Anybody know where I can get the Michael Jackson popcorn gif?

The_Valeyard · 24-08-2017 4:41pm

Your Face wrote: »

Anybody know where I can get the Michael Jackson popcorn gif?

I much prefer this one

Cortina_MK_IV · 24-08-2017 6:14pm

Your Face wrote: »

Anybody know where I can get the Michael Jackson popcorn gif?

steddyeddy · 24-08-2017 7:12pm

Depends on the atheist really. The seperation of church and state badly needs to happen. Constantly calling religious people stupid doesn't need to happen. I'm of the former variety.

An atheist should also ridicule all religions and not just the ones that are trendy to pick on. E.G the Catholic church.

It's also false to say religion or religious orders offered us nothing. The Catholic church for all it's faults gave us the following:

Albertus Magnus, Dominican monk and patron saint of the natural sciences,
Roger Bacon, Franciscan friar and founder of the modern scientific method,

George Coyne, Jesuit priest and astronomer, best known for his work on Seyfert galaxies,

Johann Dzierzon, priest and father of apiology, who discovered parthenogenesis in bees,

Gabriele Falloppio, priest and inventor of the condom, after whom the Fallopian tubes are named,

Andrew Gordon, Benedictine monk and inventor of the first electric motor,

René Just Haüy, priest and father of crystallography,

Ányos Jedlík, Benedictine priest and inventor of the electromagnetic dynamo,

Athanasius Kircher, Jesuit priest and the first to link disease to microbes,

Monsignor Georges LeMaitre, Jesuit priest and mathematician, propounder of the Big Bang Theory,

Gregor Mendel, Augustinian monk and father of genetics,

Julius Nieuwland, Holy Cross priest whose work on synthetic rubber led to the invention of neoprene,

William of Ockham, Franciscan monk and propounder of Occam’s Razor,

Andrew Pinsent, priest, collaborator on DELPHI at CERN, currently researching autism, and almost definitely on the list of Smartest People Alive Today,

Louis Rendu, priest and propounder of the mechanisms of glacial motion,

Nicolas Steno, bishop and father of geology, one of the first people to identify fossils for what they were,

Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Jesuit and palaeontologist, discoverer of Peking Man,

Ferdinand Verbiest, Jesuit and designer of the first self-propelled vehicle,
Erich Wasmann, Jesuit and evolutionary entymologist, best known for Wasmannian mimicry,

Francesco Zantedeschi, priest and possible discoverer of electromagnetism and why the sky is blue.

gw80 · 24-08-2017 7:42pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Depends on the atheist really. The seperation of church and state badly needs to happen. Constantly calling religious people stupid doesn't need to happen. I'm of the former variety.

An atheist should also ridicule all religions and not just the ones that are trendy to pick on. E.G the Catholic church.

It's also false to say religion or religious orders offered us nothing. The Catholic church for all it's faults gave us the following:

Albertus Magnus, Dominican monk and patron saint of the natural sciences,
Roger Bacon, Franciscan friar and founder of the modern scientific method,

George Coyne, Jesuit priest and astronomer, best known for his work on Seyfert galaxies,

Johann Dzierzon, priest and father of apiology, who discovered parthenogenesis in bees,

Gabriele Falloppio, priest and inventor of the condom, after whom the Fallopian tubes are named,

Andrew Gordon, Benedictine monk and inventor of the first electric motor,

René Just Haüy, priest and father of crystallography,

Ányos Jedlík, Benedictine priest and inventor of the electromagnetic dynamo,

Athanasius Kircher, Jesuit priest and the first to link disease to microbes,

Monsignor Georges LeMaitre, Jesuit priest and mathematician, propounder of the Big Bang Theory,

Gregor Mendel, Augustinian monk and father of genetics,

Julius Nieuwland, Holy Cross priest whose work on synthetic rubber led to the invention of neoprene,

William of Ockham, Franciscan monk and propounder of Occam’s Razor,

Andrew Pinsent, priest, collaborator on DELPHI at CERN, currently researching autism, and almost definitely on the list of Smartest People Alive Today,

Louis Rendu, priest and propounder of the mechanisms of glacial motion,

Nicolas Steno, bishop and father of geology, one of the first people to identify fossils for what they were,

Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Jesuit and palaeontologist, discoverer of Peking Man,

Ferdinand Verbiest, Jesuit and designer of the first self-propelled vehicle,
Erich Wasmann, Jesuit and evolutionary entymologist, best known for Wasmannian mimicry,

Francesco Zantedeschi, priest and possible discoverer of electromagnetism and why the sky is blue.

And don't forget those good monks at the buckfast monastery;)

24-08-2017 7:45pm

Your Face wrote: »

Anybody know where I can get the Michael Jackson popcorn gif?

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I much prefer this one

Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »

Is this an atheist thing or can we all eat popcorn; i'm hungry.

Prickly Pete · 24-08-2017 7:46pm

The church in this country weren't armed they didn't force people to give up children send pregnant women away etc it was the idiots in this country who followed them that were the problem, the idiots who voted for the politicians who allowed the church to have a say in things.

People need to remember that before going to the easy angle of blaming the church for everything, it just makes people feel better because they can blame the church rather than blaming their parents and grandparents.

Academic · 24-08-2017 7:47pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Depends on the atheist really. The seperation of church and state badly needs to happen. Constantly calling religious people stupid doesn't need to happen. I'm of the former variety.

An atheist should also ridicule all religions and not just the ones that are trendy to pick on. E.G the Catholic church.

It's also false to say religion or religious orders offered us nothing. The Catholic church for all it's faults gave us the following:

Albertus Magnus [...]

I don’t think anyone would deny that over the centuries religious people have done good things. The question is, rather, did they do those good things because they were religious—that is, was being religious a necessary condition for doing good things? I think not.

Other people have contributed to science too. It just happened that early in our history the church was the main institution capable of supporting the work.

Your Face · 24-08-2017 7:47pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Is this an atheist thing or can we all eat popcorn; i'm hungry.

POPCORN FOR ALL !

Sam Kade · 24-08-2017 7:50pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

What is the deal with atheists campaigning for their beliefs and lack of.

Surely if you dont believe in something you just chill out shut up and go by your daily business.

They threat atheism like their new own religion, wanting to squash anything in their sight or their children sight which resembles anyone elses beliefs.

Is it just them thinking they are superior to everyone else and know everything?

I am no holy joe, but these guys pee me off.

They are similar to vegans that don't eat meat but they can't fcuking stop talking about it.

ArnoldJRimmer · 24-08-2017 8:01pm

Are there really that many atheists who constantly spout on about it and make fun of religious people?

Or are some people taking the extreme examples of a*seholery (see Ricky Gervais) and applying that to all atheists?

At this stage I know very few people who aren't atheist or at least not very religious. I'm not even sure of that statement as it literally never comes up in conversation

A Little Pony · 24-08-2017 8:02pm

I wouldn't say bad people, probably the most boring imaginations in society though.

mrkiscool2 · 24-08-2017 8:03pm

Prickly Pete wrote: »

The church in this country weren't armed they didn't force people to give up children send pregnant women away etc it was the idiots in this country who followed them that were the problem, the idiots who voted for the politicians who allowed the church to have a say in things.

People need to remember that before going to the easy angle of blaming the church for everything, it just makes people feel better because they can blame the church rather than blaming their parents and grandparents.

Haha what? Are you actually trolling or do you believe what you've just written? Because if you do, I feel sorry for how indoctrinated you are. The church is almost wholly to blame for the Magadelene Laundries. Like, let's look at what happened if you got pregnant out of wedlock.

You had 2 options. Either a. enter the laundry or b. be shamed, have no support, be brought up as a sinner and basically be shunned by your community. Believe it or not, the church had massive sway over each and every parish at the time. It wasn't until the 70s that this power started to wane. These women had no choice.

That's not to mention what happened in these institutions, the way dead babies were put into mass graves, how the mother would most likely never see her child again. Those weren't the fault of parents or grandparents, but the church. Finally, sexual abuse against young children by priests definitely is no-one's fault but those priests, and the cover-up is wholly on the church.

Academic · 24-08-2017 8:05pm

Sam Kade wrote: »

They are similar to vegans that don't eat meat but they can't fcuking stop talking about it.

I don’t see the similarity.

“God exists” is an existence claim, and thus by definition empirical at its root.

“It’s wrong to eat animals” is a moral claim, necessarily contingent on some conceptually prior argument starting with an initial statement of ethical principle.

The only thing the two have in common is that they often annoy many of the same people. Which is rather telling, I think.

odyssey06 · 24-08-2017 8:09pm

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

That's not to mention what happened in these institutions, the way dead babies were put into mass graves, how the mother would most likely never see her child again. Those weren't the fault of parents or grandparents, but the church. Finally, sexual abuse against young children by priests definitely is no-one's fault but those priests, and the cover-up is wholly on the church.

Exactly. Religion didn't help to prevent these abuses carried out by ordained members of religious orders ... so I conclude that it's not an essential part of our moral architecture.

We've had 2500 years to try to get monotheism right. We've failed miserably.

On a spiritual level, if people want to keep an open mind, and find not enough light in the thought of a universe without higher powers in it, then they should keep an open mind on > 1 god.
If people have looked to god for answers, and found only the abyss staring backing at them, and can live with being a firefly in the night... then atheism is for them. No one said it'd be easy.

But we need to separate entirely this idea of religion having anything to do with morality, or of one particular god having the right answers.

steddyeddy · 24-08-2017 8:16pm

Academic wrote: »

I don’t think anyone would deny that over the centuries religious people have done good things. The question is, rather, did they do those good things because they were religious—that is, was being religious a necessary condition for doing good things? I think not.

Other people have contributed to science too. It just happened that early in our history the church was the main institution capable of supporting the work.

I'm not saying that being religious led to these things at all.

Academic · 24-08-2017 8:20pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm not saying that being religious led to these things at all.

Agreed. It was simple historical happenstance that there were for so long comparable institutions capable of supporting sustained and often shared research programs.

The_Valeyard · 24-08-2017 8:24pm

Academic wrote: »

Agreed. It was simple historical happenstance that there were for so long comparable institutions capable of supporting sustained and often shared research programs.

You dont know that, their faith could have driven them, motivating facture like Newton and God as the masterful creator. Many of these people believed Science and Religion could complement each other.

steddyeddy · 24-08-2017 8:26pm

Academic wrote: »

Agreed. It was simple historical happenstance that there were for so long comparable institutions capable of supporting sustained and often shared research programs.

So we can thank organised religion for one thing I suppose.

Academic · 24-08-2017 8:27pm

The_Valeyard wrote: »

You dont know that, their faith could have driven them, motivating facture like Newton and God as the masterful creatures. Many of these people believed Science and Religion could complement each other.

If you read what I wrote you'll see that I never said anything about anyone's motivations. I was talking about institutional support.

atheists.. pee me off

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